NFL News and Notes 2024 Season

[astrozombie]

You're both probably right. Though both of those guys were also probably in better situations. I'm not making a pitch that Young will be good in a few years. Just open to the possibility that, in a different context and with more experience, the skills that got him drafted #1 might show out.

That said, yes: he's too small; his arm is surprisingly mediocre; and mentally it's disappointing that he seems to have given up on himself so quickly. Even when given time in the pocket yesterday, he still wasn't looking to throw downfield -- just dump off as quickly as possible.

So much is made of football being a team sport, part of if is the coaching/organization too. I am really not sure if Tom Brady ever becomes TOM BRADY if he had been drafted by, say, the Browns in 2000. Just like someone like Jason Campbell might have been a better QB if he hadn't been part of the dysfunction that was the team currently known as the Commanders. No one batted an eye when Jalen Ramsey called Josh Allen trash, and now Allen is easily a top QB in the league. It's possible that Young is just in a terrible situation, not getting enough support and suffering because of it.
On the other hand, he's being benched for Andy Dalton, someone who I thought was out of the league a few years ago. So Young may also be that bad.

 

[Rudy's Curve]

Baker broke the rookie td record his first season and went toe to toe against Mahomes in the playoffs a couple of years later. There were plenty of flashes with him.

Young has been overwhelmed from snap one. There is no flash. Young is an all time bust. He's literally too small and also too slow and his arm is too weak. At least Darnold has an arm.

I know its QBWinz, but Baker inherited a team that was on a 2-42-1 run (and down 14 near the end of the half when he made his debut) and went 7-7 - it's one of the more impressive accomplishments in NFL history. I guess the Browns traded for Jarvis Landry and drafted Chubb that year (although Joe Thomas retired), but I just can't see Young doing anything close to that.

 

[DeadlySplitter]

View: https://twitter.com/nwagoner/status/1835808446832336971

 

[Euclis20]

Bryce 2-16 as a starter and he's never taken a snap leading in a game, as both the wins were last second FGs.

His confidence is shot and he looks truly bad. He has to sit down, it's just merciful at this point.

Assuming this is true, that's one of the most remarkably depressing things I've ever heard. It's like the inverse of Brady's crazy "never taken a snap when not in contention for the playoffs" stat.

It's difficult to look back (less than 18 months ago) and remember how he ended up going #1. It's impossible to watch him and see any tools of a potential superstar. Even thinking of some of the biggest QB busts in NFL history (Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf), those guys at least had some really impressive measurables. Everything about Young is depressing.

 

[Marciano490]

Seeing Stroud turn into a superstar can’t help his mentality.

 

[Steve Dillard]

So between Jones and Young, I can only conclude Alabama receivers are always open and the line always holds up.

 

[scottyno]

Assuming this is true, that's one of the most remarkably depressing things I've ever heard. It's like the inverse of Brady's crazy "never taken a snap when not in contention for the playoffs" stat.

It's difficult to look back (less than 18 months ago) and remember how he ended up going #1. It's impossible to watch him and see any tools of a potential superstar. Even thinking of some of the biggest QB busts in NFL history (Jamarcus Russell, Ryan Leaf), those guys at least had some really impressive measurables. Everything about Young is depressing.

It's not true, though I'm sure he hasn't taken many

 

[Rudy's Curve]

Andy Dalton, mediocre starter for a decade and now journeyman backup on his fourth team in five years at 36, had 12.6 EPA yesterday. Outside of Young's one massive outlier of a game against the Packers last year, he's produced 10.3 EPA total even if you only count his positive starts (all three of them). It's just a scathing indictment - I really don't see how he's salvageable in any situation.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Andy Dalton, mediocre starter for a decade and now journeyman backup on his fourth team in five years at 36, had 12.6 EPA yesterday. Outside of Young's one massive outlier of a game against the Packers last year, he's produced 10.3 EPA total even if you only count his positive starts (all three of them). It's just a scathing indictment - I really don't see how he's salvageable in any situation.

Young is just looking like an evaluation miss. His NFL.com draft profile listed Drew Brees as a comp. Maybe they meant 2024 Drew Brees.

Scouts thought he’d be able to get the ball out quick enough and accurately but he just hasn’t adjusted. Dalton showed yesterday that there is some talent on this Panthers team to produce.

He looks to already be on the backup track and even that might be dubious.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I think the Dolphins should throw CAR a 7th for him. If he can work in any offense it is that one. He's in many ways a shorter, worse version of Tua. And their backup QB situation is a tire fire, get him for nothing, cut Boyle, make him the emergency QB behind Huntley and Thompson.... see if you can develop him to be a real backup for Tua next year.

 

[Justthetippett]

I think the Dolphins should throw CAR a 7th for him. If he can work in any offense it is that one. He's in many ways a shorter, worse version of Tua. And their backup QB situation is a tire fire, get him for nothing, cut Boyle, make him the emergency QB behind Huntley and Thompson.... see if you can develop him to be a real backup for Tua next year.

You think CAR would make that trade? They don't really have any incentive to trade him two games into his second season for that kind of a return. Why not try to rehabilitate him on the sidelines this year and see? That's worth the opportunity cost of a 7th. If it was a 3rd or 4th round pick then maybe...but even then I don't see it for them, and Miami probably wouldn't offer that anyways.

 

[Curt S Loew]

I think the Dolphins should throw CAR a 7th for him. If he can work in any offense it is that one. He's in many ways a shorter, worse version of Tua. And their backup QB situation is a tire fire, get him for nothing, cut Boyle, make him the emergency QB behind Huntley and Thompson.... see if you can develop him to be a real backup for Tua next year.

Nah. I think the Fins should make an offer for Mac. Now that would be "fun".

 

[Cellar-Door]

You think CAR would make that trade? They don't really have any incentive to trade him two games into his second season for that kind of a return. Why not try to rehabilitate him on the sidelines this year and see? That's worth the opportunity cost of a 7th. If it was a 3rd or 4th round pick then maybe...but even then I don't see it for them, and Miami probably wouldn't offer that anyways.

Yeah, maybe MIA has to wait until the offseason. To me the problem is... how do you go back to him as CAR. I guess unlike most of the teams that dumped 1st round QBs they don't have any real answer there, but... has a highly drafted rookie ever gotten benched after a full season or more and come back with that team? In terms of a pick... they aren't getting anything, he's considerably worse as a pro than guys like Mac, Fields, even Howell

 

[cshea]

A wild card is a trade requires Tepper admiting Young is a sunk cost.

 

[Cellar-Door]

A wild card is a trade requires Tepper admiting Young is a sunk cost.

Yeah, but... he let him be benched 2 games into his 2nd season. Maybe he's a sucker who believed it when Canales said "oh we'll get him right and he'll be a star" but he's shown himself to be an impatient asshole who blames others for his failings so I assume he'll cut bait then pretend he didn't want Young and actually it was all Reich and Fitterer.

 

[Justthetippett]

Yeah, maybe MIA has to wait until the offseason. To me the problem is... how do you go back to him as CAR. I guess unlike most of the teams that dumped 1st round QBs they don't have any real answer there, but... has a highly drafted rookie ever gotten benched after a full season or more and come back with that team? In terms of a pick... they aren't getting anything, he's considerably worse as a pro than guys like Mac, Fields, even Howell

Well Mac, although that was at least injury related and didn't exactly turn out well. I would have to think about some others but the binary, you're the starter or you're gone approach is also kind of unnecessarily limiting. It's premised on ego and reputation, but not really team success. Baker seems to be showing that. Dalton will almost certainly get hurt over the course of a full season, which would give him another chance to show some improvement.

 

[cshea]

My Mac hot take is if you flipped him and Tua, Mac is probably in Miami with a $200 million extension and Tua is trying to rebuild elsewhere.

 

[DeJesus Built My Hotrod]

A wild card is a trade requires Tepper admiting Young is a sunk cost.

I don't know about Tepper but as the Cohen helmed Mets showed, hedge fund owners tend to understand not only sunk costs but also the value of having a clean slate/book. These people don't typically let silly concepts like embarrassment or shame (i.e. what others say) guide business decisions.

My guess is that if the Panthers have determined that Young isn't the guy, they will trade him for whatever the market is. The media and some fans will laugh or point and then everyone will forget.

 

[Curt S Loew]

My Mac hot take is if you flipped him and Tua, Mac is probably in Miami with a $200 million extension and Tua is trying to rebuild elsewhere.

You are certainly on fire, there. I'll give you that.

 

[Dogman]

I think the Dolphins should throw CAR a 7th for him. If he can work in any offense it is that one. He's in many ways a shorter, worse version of Tua. And their backup QB situation is a tire fire, get him for nothing, cut Boyle, make him the emergency QB behind Huntley and Thompson.... see if you can develop him to be a real backup for Tua next year.

If I'm Miami, I offer a 6th or 7th to Dallas for Trey Lance instead. Lance won't play in Dallas so why not give Lance a real shot instead of Young, who appears to be a bust. We don't know if Lance is a bust just yet.

 

[Cellar-Door]

If I'm Miami, I offer a 6th or 7th to Dallas for Trey Lance instead. Lance won't play in Dallas so why not give Lance a real shot instead of Young, who appears to be a bust. We don't know if Lance is a bust just yet.

Mostly skillset. Lance has never at any level indicated he could be the kind of QB McDaniel wants, Young was an elite college player whose strengths were considered very similar to Tua's.

 

[Over Guapo Grande]

Mostly skillset. Lance has never at any level indicated he could be the kind of QB McDaniel wants, Young was an elite college player whose strengths were considered very similar to Tua's.

Wasn't McDaniel the OC in SF the year that Lance was drafted by the 49ers? So apart from that?

 

[Cellar-Door]

Wasn't McDaniel the OC in SF the year that Lance was drafted by the 49ers? So apart from that?

Yes, but doesn't really tell us much, Shanahan was the playcaller, and McDaniel was the run game specialist (Slowick was the pass game guy) and Shanahan/Lynch were the guys making the decisions, so we have no idea if he would have preferred someone else (maybe he was the Mac guy?).

 

[DJnVa]

It's not true, though I'm sure he hasn't taken many

He took snaps with a lead in the following games:

2023, week 2 vs. Atlanta--one drive, that ended with Young throwing an INT, which led to Atlanta tying the game and not trailing again.
2023, week 4 vs. Minnesota--Panthers second drive of game came with a 7-0 lead, and Young led team to a FG and a 10-0 lead. His next 5 drives were all with a lead. The 5th drive ended when he was sacked, fumbled and it was returned for a TD, which put Vikings in lead for good.
2023 week 6 vs. Miami--led Carolina on a TD drive in a game they were leading 7-0, putting them up 14-0. After Miami scored to make it 14-7, the next drive stalled after a failed 4th down conversion. Miami scored 42 straight points after trailing 14-0.
2023 week 8 vs. Houston--took the field with a 9-7 lead after Houston fumble, went 3 plays, gained 8 yards, kicked FG to go up 12-7. Houston took lead on next possession. Young led Panthers on 6 minute drive and won on last second FG.
2023 week 10 vs. Chicago--took field with 7-3 lead, led team to a FG. His next 4 drives led to no points, and Chicago eventually took the lead.

That's it. That's the list.

In his 3rd to last game last season, against a decent Packers team, he led team to 14 points in 4th quarter, going 23/36, 312 yards, 2/0 TD/INT and there was some thought that he had turned the corner.

The Panthers were then shut out in their last 2 games of the season, and dropped their first 2 this year---scoring only 13 points in his last 4 games as a starter.

 

[yecul]

Panthers would be wise to start Young ROS and secure that #1 pick. Surely they can't mess up twice.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

I don’t know that Miami is a great spot for Bryce Young unless Tua actually retires (which supposedly he won’t)

if the biggest problem Young has is confidence/the mental aspect of leading a team (etc), putting him in a situation where he knows he is essentially a backup is going to put a lot of pressure on him to perform when he does see the field. Every time he takes a snap in a game he will probably be thinking it could be his last chance to prove himself.

His best bet, beyond Dalton collapsing and Carolina going back to Young, is probably the Justin Fields route. Hope to be traded to a QB needy team in the off-season who isn’t in position to draft one of the top guys. Or maybe go to the Jets or Rams and sit for a year behind a guy on the verge of retirement and hope to compete for a spot in 2026.

 

[johnmd20]

I don’t know that Miami is a great spot for Bryce Young unless Tua actually retires (which supposedly he won’t)

if the biggest problem Young has is confidence/the mental aspect of leading a team (etc), putting him in a situation where he knows he is essentially a backup is going to put a lot of pressure on him to perform when he does see the field. Every time he takes a snap in a game he will probably be thinking it could be his last chance to prove himself.

His best bet, beyond Dalton collapsing and Carolina going back to Young, is probably the Justin Fields route. Hope to be traded to a QB needy team in the off-season who isn’t in position to draft one of the top guys. Or maybe go to the Jets or Rams and sit for a year behind a guy on the verge of retirement and hope to compete for a spot in 2026.

There are no great spots for Bryce Young. He's not an NFL QB. He is too small, too slow, to short, and his arm is too weak. He brings nothing to the table in terms of what is required to play QB. Justin Fields is, at least, elite at running and is fast, big, and strong. That is something that can help on the football field and you can work around.

 

[Cellar-Door]

I don’t know that Miami is a great spot for Bryce Young unless Tua actually retires (which supposedly he won’t)

if the biggest problem Young has is confidence/the mental aspect of leading a team (etc), putting him in a situation where he knows he is essentially a backup is going to put a lot of pressure on him to perform when he does see the field. Every time he takes a snap in a game he will probably be thinking it could be his last chance to prove himself.

His best bet, beyond Dalton collapsing and Carolina going back to Young, is probably the Justin Fields route. Hope to be traded to a QB needy team in the off-season who isn’t in position to draft one of the top guys. Or maybe go to the Jets or Rams and sit for a year behind a guy on the verge of retirement and hope to compete for a spot in 2026.

Young isn't going to start anywhere anytime soon. He needs to take the Darnold/Geno route, sit on a bench and learn a system for a couple years, come in and have some nice mop up performances. Sign a deal to bridge or similar, then go from there. He's too damaged to go the Fields route, he's shown far far less.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

There are no great spots for Bryce Young. He's not an NFL QB. He is too small, too slow, to short, and his arm is too weak. He brings nothing to the table in terms of what is required to play QB. Justin Fields is, at least, elite at running and is fast, big, and strong. That is something that can help on the football field and you can work around.

Perhaps but the guy was the #1 overall pick less than 18 months ago. The idea that he won’t get another shot, and a fairly legitimate one, seems crazy to me.

I wasn’t crazy about him coming out of school and I’m not surprised he’s struggling but the league is full of terrible QB’s, it wouldn’t be shocking to see Young get some starts somewhere in the next year or two.

 

[johnmd20]

Perhaps but the guy was the #1 overall pick less than 18 months ago. The idea that he won’t get another shot, and a fairly legitimate one, seems crazy to me.

I wasn’t crazy about him coming out of school and I’m not surprised he’s struggling but the league is full of terrible QB’s, it wouldn’t be shocking to see Young get some starts somewhere in the next year or two.

I'm not saying he won't get another shot. I'm saying there is no great spot for a guy who isn't a NFL caliber player.

Sometimes the league just gets it incredibly wrong. You can't look at what Carolina did in Weeks 1 and 2 and then last week with Dalton and come to any conclusion other than Young isn't a guy who has no chance to succeed.

 

[BaseballJones]

I don't know about the rest of you, but I can't believe we are already at week 4 of the NFL season. I know I'm getting older and time seems to go by faster, but holy cow.

 

[BaseballJones]

I'm not saying he won't get another shot. I'm saying there is no great spot for a guy who isn't a NFL caliber player.

Sometimes the league just gets it incredibly wrong. You can't look at what Carolina did in Weeks 1 and 2 and then last week with Dalton and come to any conclusion other than Young isn't a guy who has no chance to succeed.

Did you mean that you can't come to any conclusion other than Young *is* a guy who has no chance to succeed? I think I'm confused by what you're meaning to say here.

 

[johnmd20]

Did you mean that you can't come to any conclusion other than Young *is* a guy who has no chance to succeed? I think I'm confused by what you're meaning to say here.

Is, yes. Too many negatives. Young has no chance to succeed.

 

[BaseballJones]

Is, yes. Too many negatives. Young has no chance to succeed.

Ok that's that I thought but just wanted to make sure.

 

[EddieYost]

Ok that's that I thought but just wanted to make sure.

Did you mean “that’s what I thought”?

 

[BaseballJones]

Did you mean “that’s what I thought”?

Hahahahaha yes indeed.

 

[NextBigThing8184]

I'm not saying he won't get another shot. I'm saying there is no great spot for a guy who isn't a NFL caliber player.

Sometimes the league just gets it incredibly wrong. You can't look at what Carolina did in Weeks 1 and 2 and then last week with Dalton and come to any conclusion other than Young isn't a guy who has no chance to succeed.

I wouldn’t draw any conclusions about Bryce Young based off of one Andy Dalton game against the Raiders and 2 games this year when he had basically (and stupidly) no preseason action.

Do I think Bryce Young is likely to succeed and be a top 10-15 QB in the NFL? No. But I think it’s still premature to label him “not NFL caliber” when there’s probably 30-40 really marginal QB’s floating around NFL rosters (like Skyler Thompson). The bar to clear to be a viable #2 or 3 QB in the league is pretty low (case in point, Zappe).

 

[cshea]

Devante to the Jets in 3...2..1...

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1841209850933461303

 

[nattysez]

Devante to the Jets in 3...2..1...

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1841209850933461303

The local LV beat writer tweeted earlier today that the Raiders had started offering him around, so this could get done quickly.

 

[shoosh77]

To add to WR market, Amari Cooper converted all but $1.21mm of his 2024 salary to a signing bonus.

Salary remaining if traded at the deadline: $605k

Wonder if the Eagles come calling for him.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Von Miller suspended 4 games for assaulting pregnant GF last November.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41555418/von-miller-suspended-4-games-violating-conduct-policy

 

[Justthetippett]

Devante to the Jets in 3...2..1...

View: https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1841209850933461303

Or the Chiefs. That would be frightening.

 

[E5 Yaz]

Or the Chiefs. That would be frightening.

I have a hard time believing the Raiders would trade an actual asset to the Chiefs

 

[ilol@u]

Zero chance the Raiders would make a trade within the division, especially to the three-time Superbowl Champs.

Guessing Raiders are trying to move him to an NFC team — Rams are in need of a WR with Kupp/Nacua out, and Stafford and Adams would be a fun duo. Not sure what LAR would be able to give back.

 

[Bowhemian]

Von Miller suspended 4 games for assaulting pregnant GF last November.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/41555418/von-miller-suspended-4-games-violating-conduct-policy

Today I learned that Von Miller is still playing in the NFL. I didn't even remember that he played for the Bills.
I thought he was washed up last year though. So maybe the mid-season break is good for him.

 

[Rudy's Curve]

I have a hard time believing the Raiders would trade an actual asset to the Chiefs

Maybe they wouldn't, but it would be a prudent move to keep all their options open. The Raiders obviously aren't contenders and it's not like Adams is a lifelong Raider whom the fanbase has a bunch of sentimentality towards. If anything, you take the division trade all other things equal since that weakens a rival down the road. Of course, the Chiefs will probably have the worst draft capital to give.

 

[Justthetippett]

Maybe they wouldn't, but it would be a prudent move to keep all their options open. The Raiders obviously aren't contenders and it's not like Adams is a lifelong Raider whom the fanbase has a bunch of sentimentality towards. If anything, you take the division trade all other things equal since that weakens a rival down the road. Of course, the Chiefs will probably have the worst draft capital to give.

If you're the Raiders you'd definitely set a premium for him from the Chiefs, higher than what you'd expect from other teams, but at the end of the day they'd need to act in the best interests of their own team. I don't think an intradivisional trade is completely off the table. They can't beat them on the field right now but maybe they can win a trade and set themselves up for success down the line.

In any case, looks like Jets and Cowboys are interested. Both make sense. Maybe Buffalo too? That WR room is pretty shitty at the moment.

 

[Phil Plantier]

What could the Chiefs even offer? Would either team do Worthy and a 3rd for Adams?

 

[Cellar-Door]

What could the Chiefs even offer? Would either team do Worthy and a 3rd for Adams?

I think you are wildly overestimating what Adams will cost. I think the cost is going to be a 2nd, maybe a 3rd and some swaps.

Edit- basically I'd look at something in the Diggs/Allen trade comp area.

 

[Phil Plantier]

I think you are wildly overestimating what Adams will cost. I think the cost is going to be a 2nd, maybe a 3rd and some swaps.

Edit- basically I'd look at something in the Diggs/Allen trade comp area.

I think timing matters. 4 weeks in, a bunch of teams can believe they are One WR Away from a championship, with no other way to acquire talent:
Jets
Chiefs
Packers
Ravens

And some other delusional teams:
Saints
Falcons
Browns
Cowboys
Commanders
Rams