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GET IT DONE THEO

I'm at the point where I'm okay with AJ, possibly the best WR the Eagles have ever had, being traded. He great, and he's not wrong about the passing game being a problem, but you can't go public like that and it's not really the first time it's happened. There was a lot of shit going on with him behind the scenes at the end of last season too.

You're not trading Hurts and they don't seem to be able to coexist. I imagine they'd get a haul for him so I'd be open to that this offseason. It sucks but it may be the best thing for both parties.
 

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I'm at the point where I'm okay with AJ, possibly the best WR the Eagles have ever had, being traded. He great, and he's not wrong about the passing game being a problem, but you can't go public like that and it's not really the first time it's happened. There was a lot of shit going on with him behind the scenes at the end of last season too.

You're not trading Hurts and they don't seem to be able to coexist. I imagine they'd get a haul for him so I'd be open to that this offseason. It sucks but it may be the best thing for both parties.
I know the Panthers are a thorn in everyone's side right now, but that was a '2023 Eagles' win.

There is a good chance this is forgotten if they beat the Steelers and/or put up 30 points, but I'm really wondering WTF is going on with the play calling since Steichen left. This team has scored 17 first quarter points ALL SEASON and I'm completely at a loss as to why. Are the first 15 plays scripted by Sirianni and Moore takes over afterwards? Is Hurts incapable of running anything complicated or from under center?
 

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I know the Panthers are a thorn in everyone's side right now, but that was a '2023 Eagles' win.

There is a good chance this is forgotten if they beat the Steelers and/or put up 30 points, but I'm really wondering WTF is going on with the play calling since Steichen left. This team has scored 17 first quarter points ALL SEASON and I'm completely at a loss as to why. Are the first 15 plays scripted by Sirianni and Moore takes over afterwards? Is Hurts incapable of running anything complicated or from under center?
I don't know why they start so slow, but I have seen them make great adjustments in short order.

I think what's going on with Hurts is that he was a became careless with the ball and had many turnovers throughout the second half of last season and during the first four games of this season. I believe during the bye week after week four that he/the team made a conscious effort to protect the ball, and so now he's super hesitant to make any throw that isn't very likely to work. You can see it happening many times - he cocks his arm back to thrown then aborts the play. He's take almost 4.5 seconds to get rid of the ball and on around 40% of those plays he aborts the play.

So he he's not turning the ball over at all anymore but the passing game has suffered and it's no longer explosive. They don't call all that many passing plays and when they do AJ is running free a lot and Hurts is checking down or not hitting him and so he's frustrated. But he's airing his shit out in the public and it's not a good look and it's not helpful to the team.

I don't know what Siriani or other team leaders are or can do about this but I have to wonder if this shit would be happening if a Belichick or Tomlin were coaching the team. I tend to doubt it.
 

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I'm at the point where I'm okay with AJ, possibly the best WR the Eagles have ever had, being traded. He great, and he's not wrong about the passing game being a problem, but you can't go public like that and it's not really the first time it's happened. There was a lot of shit going on with him behind the scenes at the end of last season too.

You're not trading Hurts and they don't seem to be able to coexist. I imagine they'd get a haul for him so I'd be open to that this offseason. It sucks but it may be the best thing for both parties.
Seems like Brown's contract makes a trade doubtful if I am reading Spotrac correctly.
 

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I'm at the point where I'm okay with AJ, possibly the best WR the Eagles have ever had, being traded. He great, and he's not wrong about the passing game being a problem, but you can't go public like that and it's not really the first time it's happened. There was a lot of shit going on with him behind the scenes at the end of last season too.

You're not trading Hurts and they don't seem to be able to coexist. I imagine they'd get a haul for him so I'd be open to that this offseason. It sucks but it may be the best thing for both parties.
I don't have any real info but my guess is that the real "problem" has been adding Saquon and moving to a much more run-heavy offense. Brown's targets and red zone production are both way down from the past two years but that's largely because Philly is running the ball so much more and doing it successfully. Last year in total they had 510 rushes and 563 throws, with 22 rushing TDs and 24 receiving TDs. This year so far those numbers are 473 rushes to 328 throws, with 25 rushing TDs to 16 receiving TDs.

What's been good for the team has not been good for AJ Brown. He doesn't seem like a guy capable of keeping his mouth shut and working for the greater good in that situation, which is unfortunate.
 
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I don't have any real info but my guess is that the real "problem" has been adding Saquon and moving to a much more run-heavy offense. Brown's targets and red zone production are both way down from the past two years but that's largely because Philly is running the ball so much more and doing it successfully. Last year in total they had 510 rushes and 563 throws, with 22 rushing TDs and 24 receiving TDs. This year so far those numbers are 473 rushes to 328 throws, with 25 rushing TDs to 16 receiving TDs.

What's been good for the team has not been good for AJ Brown. He doesn't seem like a guy capable of keeping his mouth shut and working for the greater good in that situation, which is unfortunate.
the Eagles are top 10 in points and yards but dead last in pass attempts

so I think you’re right - what they’re doing is working, Barkley is having a ridiculous year. That means less for Brown (and Smith). I don’t know that there’s really anything deeper than that, it’s a run heavy scheme.

although it should be noted that Hurts has already been sacked basically the same amount as last year. I think the pass pro and/or Hurts’ decision making can probably be questioned a bit but I’d say that’s a much smaller factor than Barkley being incredible thus far
 

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the Eagles are top 10 in points and yards but dead last in pass attempts

so I think you’re right - what they’re doing is working, Barkley is having a ridiculous year. That means less for Brown (and Smith). I don’t know that there’s really anything deeper than that, it’s a run heavy scheme.

although it should be noted that Hurts has already been sacked basically the same amount as last year. I think the pass pro and/or Hurts’ decision making can probably be questioned a bit but I’d say that’s a much smaller factor than Barkley being incredible thus far
[oldmanyellingatclouds] I'm trying to imagine Pual Warfield complaining because he only had a team-leading 29 catches for the '72 Dolphins (2 1000-yd rushers; another at 500)[/oldman.....]
 

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Monty is officially out for the year - torn MCL , 6 weeks from now is conference championship Sunday and that’s too soon for this injury

I badly want the Lions to win it all, but this probably puts the Eagles as NFC favorites? And the Vikings just won’t go away, as far as the Lions getting that bye.
 

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Monty is officially out for the year - torn MCL , 6 weeks from now is conference championship Sunday and that’s too soon for this injury

I badly want the Lions to win it all, but this probably puts the Eagles as NFC favorites? And the Vikings just won’t go away, as far as the Lions getting that bye.
Absolute killer. Gibbs is obviously very good but not a guy you want getting hammered 25 times / game. Monty was perfect for them to loosen up the D.
 

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I badly want the Lions to win it all, but this probably puts the Eagles as NFC favorites? And the Vikings just won’t go away, as far as the Lions getting that bye.
The Bears nearly beat them. The defense is in tatters and Montgomery disrupts their game-planners. I'm with you on wanting them to at least get to the Super Bowl, but at this stage they could be one-and-done
 

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The Bears nearly beat them. The defense is in tatters and Montgomery disrupts their game-planners. I'm with you on wanting them to at least get to the Super Bowl, but at this stage they could be one-and-done
I feel terrible for the Lions and their fans. This started out looking like a special season and is increasingly looking like it is going to finish as a season from hell.
 

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The NFL just seems like such a health crapshoot these days. It's always been that way to some extent but it seems it just gets worse every year. The Lions were the best story in the NFL this season and now it seems destined to end with a whimper instead of a roar.
 

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The NFL just seems like such a health crapshoot these days. It's always been that way to some extent but it seems it just gets worse every year. The Lions were the best story in the NFL this season and now it seems destined to end with a whimper instead of a roar.
I wonder if the recent expansion to have more games on Mondays and Thursdays has changed the calculus on injuries. It seems to me that more short weeks, even only having 5 days between games, instead of 6, let alone the 3-days off between Sundays and Thursdays, causes more injuries.

Or looked at another way, are there fewer injuries to teams playing with longer breaks, either post-bye weeks, or in the games after the quasi-byes generated after a Thursday game.

If both of those suppositions is true, would it make sense for the NFL to move to a model where all games are played every other Sunday? Have half the league, say the AFC, play on odd weeks and the other half play on even weeks. Maybe throw in a few Thursday night games, perhaps enough to shorten the season by a week. It would mean the season would take twice as long, but would anyone other than the NBA and NCAA object to that?
 

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Chargers-Pats will kick off the three Saturday games at 1 next week, followed by Broncos-Bengals and Cardinals-Rams per the league’s official stats site.

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I wonder if the recent expansion to have more games on Mondays and Thursdays has changed the calculus on injuries. It seems to me that more short weeks, even only having 5 days between games, instead of 6, let alone the 3-days off between Sundays and Thursdays, causes more injuries.

Or looked at another way, are there fewer injuries to teams playing with longer breaks, either post-bye weeks, or in the games after the quasi-byes generated after a Thursday game.

If both of those suppositions is true, would it make sense for the NFL to move to a model where all games are played every other Sunday? Have half the league, say the AFC, play on odd weeks and the other half play on even weeks. Maybe throw in a few Thursday night games, perhaps enough to shorten the season by a week. It would mean the season would take twice as long, but would anyone other than the NBA and NCAA object to that?
18 games, two byes, Labor Day to President's Day is the end goal. Kill the preseason and hold joint practices/scrimmages instead. Why they don't just do it, I don't know. I can't imagine a scenario where they don't have teams playing every week. Fans are very conditioned to that routine. And with fantasy it's hard to pull half the players each week.
 
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The NFL just seems like such a health crapshoot these days. It's always been that way to some extent but it seems it just gets worse every year. The Lions were the best story in the NFL this season and now it seems destined to end with a whimper instead of a roar.
I don’t know that it gets worse. It’s been that way forever. How many Pats/Brady era seasons were derailed by a key injury or two? Hell, they probably win SB42 if Neal is healthy. I think 2006,2013 and 2015 you could certainly argue injuries cost them a Super Bowl bid. Maybe they win 2017 with Edelman healthy (etc)

Then again, look at 2004. Lost Law and Poole and the D kept it together.

The best team on paper in September or October is almost never the team that wins the Super Bowl. It happens of course but the majority of the time the healthier or luckier (or both) wins.
 

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18 games, two byes, Labor Day to President's Day is the end goal. Kill the preseason and hold joint practices/scrimmages instead. Why they don't just do it, I don't know.
As always, the answer is money. Preseason game money is not shared with the league, nor is TV revenue, so the teams get to keep all the gate and ad revenue for those games. For popular teams, that's a lot of free money, even if the ticket prices are much cheaper. I expect gamblers/casinos also like preseason visibility, so they can get a general idea of health and capability of teams prior to the games that count (I'm also sure there are gambling psychos who bet on preseason games).
 

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Second national game I think (Jets on a Thursday). The guy at the sports bar running the TV's won't have to feel sorry for me that week.
 

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He hasn't been with the team all year dealing with mental health issues... I think he's retiring.
Ah, don’t know that. The article stated he started weeks 13 and 14 this season which is bizarre because yeah, he hasn’t played this season. Or my reading comprehension skills gave seriously deteriorated.
 

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I still think the Penix draft pick was a joke, but the "break glass in case of rotting corpse Cousins" situation has arisen where the pick is now a nice-to-have.
 

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I still think the Penix draft pick was a joke, but the "break glass in case of rotting corpse Cousins" situation has arisen where the pick is now a nice-to-have.
I think Simmons nailed it when he suggested that early in the season that the Falcons saw how Cousins was progressing after the Achilles surgery before the draft, got nervous, and took Penix as insurance in case this played out even worse than it has. I doubt we'll ever know if he was right, but it looks like they were right to give themselves a viable alternative to Cousins.
 

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Pats should trade for Cousins and get some serious draft capital out of Atlanta for saving them so much dead capital.

Then trade him to the Titans.
 

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Pats should trade for Cousins and get some serious draft capital out of Atlanta for saving them so much dead capital.

Then trade him to the Titans.
A trade would save Atlanta about 27M in dead money. They'd still take about a $37.5M hit though.

I believe Cousins has a no trade clause as well. Should be an interesting offseason for him.
 
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Yesterday was a big day for left-handed QBs that play/played for Falcons--Penix to start, Vick got a head coaching job at Norfolk St.
 

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I find this to be strange timing. What if Penix flops or gets injured, and Cousins steps back in to lead them to the playoffs? Are they going the Daniel Jones route here and making Cousins the third/emergency quarterback?
Per Spotrac, that 10m roster bonus - due for the 2026 season - is guaranteed for injury.

However, they’re already out 90M, what is another 10M? Hard to believe they’d actually shelve him if Penix got hurt and they were playing for a playoff spot to hedge against shelling out another 10M to Cousins. So maybe they’re just hoping Penix looks competent and stays healthy to finish the season, but if they have to they’ll play Cousins.
 

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I find this to be strange timing. What if Penix flops or gets injured, and Cousins steps back in to lead them to the playoffs? Are they going the Daniel Jones route here and making Cousins the third/emergency quarterback?

I thought the article was saying that other teams expect he'll be cut. It doesn't seem to have any sources in Atlanta.

I'm guessing the story is coming out now because the reporter invented it: they called up a bunch of executives off the record, got them talking about the Cousins situation, and gave what they said the most attention-grabbing framing they could come up with.

I mean, that's my guess, but am I misreading something?