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One of my favorite days of the year. Even though a majority of the time I'm less than psyched on the Pats outcome. Tonight feels different. LFG!!!!
 

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Okay, maybe I'm wrong about Rodgers.

If the Pats had the #3 pick and GB offered Rodgers straight up for it, who here would be happy to make that deal?
Different case, though. Because of the dynasty, it would be easy to accept that trade
 

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View: https://twitter.com/evansilva/status/1387781465790894082?s=20


Evan Silva:
Lombardi on Justin Fields to #Patriots rumors: “These things are out of control. It’s one of the great, great smokescreens I’ve ever seen of all time. ... There’s no fact to it.”
I'm not even sure what benefit there is to a Patriots smokescreen--does he mean they really want Fields? Does he mean they are happy at 15? If so, the smokescreen is kind of meaningless.
 

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Okay, maybe I'm wrong about Rodgers.

If the Pats had the #3 pick and GB offered Rodgers straight up for it, who here would be happy to make that deal? (And the rumor has SF offering much more than just the #3.)
I'd do that in a heartbeat.. The odds of anyone in this draft giving you even 1/3rd of the value in their entire time in NE that Rodgers would give you in 3 years is pretty low.
 

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Different case, though. Because of the dynasty, it would be easy to accept that trade
Yeah, true. I guess I'm a little surprised that people think SF's offer is a reasonable one. Rodgers is 37 and seems to always come up a little short.
 

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I'd do that in a heartbeat.. The odds of anyone in this draft giving you even 1/3rd of the value in their entire time in NE that Rodgers would give you in 3 years is pretty low.
That’s a slam dunk.

And to illustrate it further, I would light myself on fire as a Packers fan if they made that trade.
 

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I'm not even sure what benefit there is to a Patriots smokescreen--does he mean they really want Fields? Does he mean they are happy at 15? If so, the smokescreen is kind of meaningless.
This is an honest question, no snark intended: do people forget that this is standard operating procedure for the Pats? To leak a QB they "want" (Tebow, Mayfield, Jackson) so that people report on that and not on who they really want to draft?
 

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I'd do that in a heartbeat.. The odds of anyone in this draft giving you even 1/3rd of the value in their entire time in NE that Rodgers would give you in 3 years is pretty low.
Yes, but you also have to consider the odds that Rodgers will decline substantially as soon as this season, the difference in salary against the cap between him and the rookie QB, and the possibility that the rookie QB stars for you for the next 15+ seasons.
 

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Wow, I'm really surprised that people are so in favor of that deal for SF. Not saying I'm not dead wrong, just saying that I'm surprised.
 

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I dont feel like listening to that podcast for context. Is Lombardi saying that the Pats just plain have no interest in moving for a QB, or that specifically their interest in Fields is what is being overblown
 

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So to do that hypothetical deal, the Packers would have $38.4m dead cap ($1.2m more than his current cap hit), & the 49ers would be acquiring him on a 3/$73.9m (less per year than they pay JG).

If you're trying to win Super Bowls, then yeah, giving up 3 for a few years of running that out seems like a great plan, especially since he's kind of a local for SF.

& if I'm the Packers, yeah, I'd have to get way more than 3 because I'm still trying to win a 2nd SB in the Rodgers era & he really papers over a lot of organizational failures over the year.
 

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Yup.

Not my lane, but I think anyone who does that in a way that clearly isn't an accident should get banned from both threads.
And they will be banned from both threads. I will not hesitate to remove anyone from both threads who does not follow the rules of the NO SPOILERS thread.
 

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And they will be banned from both threads. I will not hesitate to remove anyone from both threads who does not follow the rules of the NO SPOILERS thread.
For reference, this would presumably also cover someone starting a thread about a trade or pick that hasn't been officially announced? "Welcome to NE Justin Fields" while NE is on the clock for example.
 

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IIRC, if a trade happens, the clock resets to 15 minutes for the new team, yes? Thus the time window for when Pats woudl be on the clock, barring a trade up, could move significantly later, right?
I am not sure. At first glance, I believe this answer is no. Last year, they let teams stop the clock with trades because everything was virtual but I don't think that's a normal practice.
 

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IIRC, if a trade happens, the clock resets to 15 minutes for the new team, yes? Thus the time window for when Pats woudl be on the clock, barring a trade up, could move significantly later, right?
I am pretty sure they get whatever time is remaining on the clock.
 

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The clock didn't used to reset.

Also, they reduced the 15 minute limit to 10 several years ago in the first round. Then I believe it goes down to 7 minutes in round 2, then 5 from there on out?
 

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I'd do that in a heartbeat.. The odds of anyone in this draft giving you even 1/3rd of the value in their entire time in NE that Rodgers would give you in 3 years is pretty low.
The sort of real-life what if to this is what if the Colts had kept Manning and traded the #1 pick for a boatload of stuff to build around him for 3-4 years?
 

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Post that in the other thread and see what happens!
 

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The sort of real-life what if to this is what if the Colts had kept Manning and traded the #1 pick for a boatload of stuff to build around him for 3-4 years?
Good point. That probably would have worked out better for them in hindsight, since the closest they got to a title with Luck was 45-7 in the AFCCG.

Edit: I never need an excuse to post this

 

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This is an honest question, no snark intended: do people forget that this is standard operating procedure for the Pats? To leak a QB they "want" (Tebow, Mayfield, Jackson) so that people report on that and not on who they really want to draft?
I heard they talked to Mayfield, but I don't really recall an orchestrated leak about that.

And I didn't say they don't do it, I said IN THIS SITUATION, I'm not really sure what it does. Does some team out there go "Oh crap, we like Lance, but the Pats like Fields, we''ll take him."
 

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That would be a pretty big move up for the Saints. I guess KC moved a similar amount of spots to get Mahomes. But if I am a team like Detroit or Carolina I'd much prefer a package from the Pats (15), Bears (20), or WFT (19) to the Saints pick (28).

Edit: plus Carolina is not going to trade their pick to a division rival to pick a QB (same for the Lions trading with the Bears)
 

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For reference, this would presumably also cover someone starting a thread about a trade or pick that hasn't been officially announced? "Welcome to NE Justin Fields" while NE is on the clock for example.
Yep. Need to wait until after the pick is officially announced to start threads like your example.
 

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I haven’t watched a college football game since Chad Henne was still quarterbacking Michigan so I have zero idea when it comes to evaluating draft picks but I will probably be here because this build up has been insane.
 

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That’s interesting because a team could use the perceived value of future picks to its advantage if they had its eyes set on a player. If Carolina preferred a future second to 46 in a package to swap 15 and 8, then great.
 

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Promise it won't be me. Seriously though, i think in 2021 the default is spoiler-friendly, so if a thread isnt labeled I would give someone a pass. But in this case, to specifically spoil in a thread that says NO SPOILERS is a dick move

I just feel too invested in finding out the answer before the draft to stop now...spoil away
Completely agree with this, especially with how brutal the TV coverage is trying to milk as much as possible out of the night. There's nothing worse than seeing the pick is in and waiting another 5 minutes for them to get around to announcing it.
 

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I can't imagine a scenario where Fields falls to 15.

There is a scenario where the current 14 teams in front of the Patriots don't draft him. But I can't imagine a team like the Bears, Raiders, WFT, Colts, Steelers, Saints, or Tampa don't jump up to 7-14 to snag a potential franchise QB. I don't think the league lets him tumble all the way to the Patriots at 15.
 

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I can't imagine a scenario where Fields falls to 15.

There is a scenario where the current 14 teams in front of the Patriots don't draft him. But I can't imagine a team like the Bears, Raiders, WFT, Colts, Steelers, Saints, or Tampa don't jump up to 7-14 to snag a potential franchise QB. I don't think the league lets him tumble all the way to the Patriots at 15.
I can see the outside chance.
Basically to me it goes this way...
Mac Jones goes 3, Pitts, Chase, Waddle go 4-6, one of 7-9 takes a trade for Lance, the other two decide they want the best OT and best CB respectively. Cowboys are locked in on a CB, Giants ask for 4 firsts to move down or eles they are being "fleeced" so they stay. That leaves you 12-14, I think LA is desperate to make sure they get a tackle so they stay. So it only takes MIN and PHI wanting to get a particular talent to make it happen.

Unlikely, but possible if enough teams in that range are happy with their QB situation and the 1 tradeup i for Lance.
 

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Pats taking Fields (or Jones or Lance) at 15 would tell me that they didn't think he was worth trading up for. Unless no deal was possible, I'm not sure what I'd make of that.
 

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A QB falling well past their mock draft consensus isn't all that unusual - Haskins, Rosen, Manziel, Bridgewater, Rodgers are all examples that come to mind, I'm sure there are more.

My completely uninformed guess is that if a QB does fall to 15, however, it is much more likely to be Lance than Fields.
 
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