NFL draft day 3 game thread (NO SPOILERS!!!!)

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bankshot1 said:
so he's available in what 4 years?
 
why wasn't he the 247th pick
 
Because they feel there a chance he will get picked over the next 80 selections?
 

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Tye Smith to Seattle is an interesting selection.  Quick feet (best 20yd shuttle performance at the combine) but not much else.  Curious to find out what PC and JS see in him
 

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Yeah, I really don't see BB being sentimental with a pick.
 

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wibi said:
 
The DoD has a clause where if you can benefit them more through PR or something else similar you can do that instead of serve.  Not sure the exact requirements (as I cant find them on Google) but I know its not as simple as being drafted by a professional team
Usually it's 2-3 years active then you go into the reserves and have to pay back a portion of your education cost:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2012/12/07/army-navy-game-nfl-five-year-commitment-relief/1747399/
 
So I would doubt Cardona is on this team for at least 2 years.
 

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How did it work with David Robinson, I forget? Did he serve two years and then start his bball career?
 

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Ferm Sheller said:
How did it work with David Robinson, I forget? Did he serve two years and then start his bball career?
Yep 2 years then he was put in the reserves.
 

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The just trade the rest of the picks for 2016s if you can. It is clear Pats are bored. Nobody drafts in the 5th for somebody not available for years unless you have the system games or you are Riger fucking Staubach.

Trade out or draft guys who are hurt and project well.
 

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Taking a long snapper in the 5th round seems like a pretty clear signal that the pats are not big fans of this years draft crops
It's entirely possible to me that they think the dropoff to the #2 LS isn't worth losing him but the dropoff at other positions (from Ekpre-Olomu to Peters or Roberts or Shepherd) isn't a big deal.
 

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This is all about hidden yardage & preventing turnovers. 
 
Aiken was shaky all last year and Ryan "The Puntator" Allen saved his ass more than a few times. Accurate & fast snaps mean the punts get off on time and Slater & Co. will have an even better opportunity to lock down the return game. 
 

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wibi said:
 
I could have sworn they changed the rule in 2014 but I cant find anything to back that up
Maybe.
I know the 2007 DOD directive allows you to apply to move to the reserves after 24 months (you don't always get it. Kettani on the Jags served 3 years, Mitch Harris of the St Louis Cardinals served almost the full 5). There might be a new special dispensation but I can't find anyone who has gotten one.
 

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Corsi said:
Pats select Matthew Wells, LB, Miss St
 
"Linebacker Matthew Wells, at 222 pounds, ran impressive 40-yard dash times of 4.44 and 4.46 seconds, along with a 4.26 20-yard shuttle time."
 

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Ferm Sheller said:
How did it work with David Robinson, I forget? Did he serve two years and then start his bball career?
 
Concussion during his submarine training
 

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SeoulSoxFan said:
This is all about hidden yardage & preventing turnovers. 
 
Aiken was shaky all last year and Ryan "The Puntator" Allen saved his ass more than a few times. Accurate & fast snaps mean the punts get off on time and Slater & Co. will have an even better opportunity to lock down the return game. 
In 2017.

BB's dad's service as a coach at Annapolis, if anything, is likely to make it harder to get the service requirement relaxed, not easier.
 

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From PFF: Patriots' LB Matthew Wells on the right, compared to Shaq Thompson. Wells was impressive in coverage, great in space. 
 
 

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Jacksonville took my binkie this year ... Bennett is going to be a stud
 

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In 2017.

BB's dad's service as a coach at Annapolis, if anything, is likely to make it harder to get the service requirement relaxed, not easier.
 
And what evidence do you have to support that?
 
Who BB's dad was has nothing to do with how the military determines to allocate its' assets.
 

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Did he have a medical issue? Dropping this far is bizarre.
 
I've found multiple reports of an injury being the reason he fell so far but zero definitive statements as to what the injury is.  My Google-fu is weak today
 
Strike that last.  Reports are he is small for a DT and only really fits in a 4-3 scheme.  Not sure why the pros had him ranked so high if thats the case
 

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And what evidence do you have to support that?
 
Who BB's dad was has nothing to do with how the military determines to allocate its' assets.
Name me the last service academy athlete who got off the hook for his service obligation and did not have a health problem.

You have a high profile team that people are envious of, believe cuts corners, and are out to get. The chief alleged corner cutter's dad coached at the Academy. If the appropriate congressional committee chairman asks someone at the Pentagon (responsible for this decision) what time he or she last took a shit, that decision maker has to answer.

You think he'll be in anything other than a navy or marine corps uniform this Sept, God love you.
 

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Name me the last service academy athlete who got off the hook for his service obligation and did not have a health problem.

You have a high profile team that people are envious of, believe cuts corners, and are out to get. The chief alleged corner cutter's dad coached at the Academy. If the appropriate congressional committee chairman asks someone at the Pentagon (responsible for this decision) what time he or she last took a shit, that decision maker has to answer.

You think he'll be in anything other than a navy or marine corps uniform this Sept, God love you.
 
 

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We'll talk again when his service obligation is sorted out. I'll circle back.
 

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He's a long snapper. They really only need him four months. Maybe five and a little bit.
 

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Name me the last service academy athlete who got off the hook for his service obligation and did not have a health problem.

You have a high profile team that people are envious of, believe cuts corners, and are out to get. The chief alleged corner cutter's dad coached at the Academy. If the appropriate congressional committee chairman asks someone at the Pentagon (responsible for this decision) what time he or she last took a shit, that decision maker has to answer.

You think he'll be in anything other than a navy or marine corps uniform this Sept, God love you.
 
On behalf of those who have served in the military,  
 
Shut the Fuck Up.  
 
You dont know shit about how this would go down and your crazy idea of how the DoD or the services do business is insulting at best
 

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wibi said:
 
I've found multiple reports of an injury being the reason he fell so far but zero definitive statements as to what the injury is.  My Google-fu is weak today
 
Strike that last.  Reports are he is small for a DT and only really fits in a 4-3 scheme.  Not sure why the pros had him ranked so high if thats the case
He had a groin injury last season that lingered through the combine where he didn't participate.
At his pro-day he still hadn't put on any weight. He ran a mediocre to slow 40 for his size, then on his second attempt hurt his hamstring and had to shut it down.
 

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wibi said:
 
On behalf of those who have served in the military,  
 
Shut the Fuck Up.  
 
You dont know shit about how this would go down and your crazy idea of how the DoD or the services do business is insulting at best
 
ooh rah
 

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My man Geremy Davis to the Giants. Very excited for him. He will do well there.
 

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wibi said:
 
On behalf of those who have served in the military,  
 
Shut the Fuck Up.  
 
You dont know shit about how this would go down and your crazy idea of how the DoD or the services do business is insulting at best
Name me the last non-injured service academy athlete who was given a complete pass on his or her service obligation. Name and year. Other than people cut free after they were hurt

Two years of service with a continuing reserve obligation has been done a few times, if I recall.

Who has been sprung entirely?

Edit. DOD directive in 2008. You can apply for early release after two years of service. If granted, you have continuing reserve obligation and must repay a portion of your education.

Anything more recent than that?
 

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dcmissle said:
Name me the last non-injured service academy athlete who was given a complete pass on his or her service obligation. Name and year. Other than people cut free after they were hurt

Two years of service with a continuing reserve obligation has been done a few times, if I recall.

Who has been sprung entirely?
 
Only after you name me when the last time an elected official cares about the micro workings of DoD personnel decisions.
 
The answer is that neither of us can truly answer that question because neither has ever happened.
 
I didnt have an argument about your two year commitment comment but your idea of how DoD personnel decisions are made is laughable and insulting.  Thats what earned you the STFU comment.  
 

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Only after you name me when the last time an elected official cares about the micro workings of DoD personnel decisions.
 
The answer is that neither of us can truly answer that question because neither has ever happened.
 
I didnt have an argument about your two year commitment comment but your idea of how DoD personnel decisions are made is laughable and insulting.  Thats what earned you the STFU comment.  
You are the one who posted that the player may be able to get off the obligation "if you can benefit them through PR or something."

Seems to be the guidelines are pretty clear.