NCAA Tournament Final Four game thread

[tims4wins]

 
No, actually they weren't. He missed some games but was supposedly coming back. When he announced he was done for the season, they were 9-8, and 0-6 in the ACC.

 
See my edited post. 9-3 when he coached his last game. Yes, they lost their next 5 in a row before he officially stepped down, no arguing that.
 
Edit: but whether or not he sat out the season to have those games removed from his record is irrelevant to my point. My point was that when he came back - the next year - he cut down on media things in order to focus more on himself and his team, which rubbed some reporters wrong since they received much more limited access. THAT was the point.

 

[RedOctober3829]

 
 
I get more of a Bob Sura vibe from him.
 

Right.  Different game than Redick, but same hatred.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

Haha it's Duke. Coach K always gets the call. He's a rat bastard but he's our rat bastard. HAHAHAHA
 
Another Championship for Duke that we didn't deserve, but it still counts in the books.
 
Winslow's finger! Thanks, Refs!

 

[DJnVa]

Haha it's Duke. Coach K always gets the call. He's a rat bastard but he's our rat bastard. HAHAHAHA
 
Another Championship for Duke that we didn't deserve, but it still counts in the books.
 
Winslow's finger! Thanks, Refs!

 
 

 

 

[SoxJox]

 
If you're referring to me, I said promulgate, not originate; they're not precisely the same thing.
 
And I'm not exactly "originating" the idea that Duke is the Harvard of flopping. Here's Redick having some fun talking about it at 2:58
 
Also, remember when Redick made his girlfriend sign a contract agreeing to get an abortion? That was something.

My apologies for using inexact language here.  I admit misreading your comment.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

 
When doing something on court can result in a fine, as it can in the NBA, I would argue that doing that thing goes beyond "competing to the best of your ability."

Really? Selling a crucial call that can win your team a game in exchange for a small fine isn't competing to the best of your ability? So not attempting to sell the call resulting in your team potentially losing the game is what then?

Also this is college we are referring to where there are no fines and the players are drilled on how to sell these calls. It's 2015 now and it's his the game is played to gain an edge. Oh yeah and it works!

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

Duke won the development 4yr way in the past and now they Calipari'd it too. Haters gonna hate.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

Really? Selling a crucial call that can win your team a game in exchange for a small fine isn't competing to the best of your ability? So not attempting to sell the call resulting in your team potentially losing the game is what then?

Also this is college we are referring to where there are no fines and the players are drilled on how to sell these calls. It's 2015 now and it's his the game is played to gain an edge. Oh yeah and it works!

That's right, it's only cheating if you get caught.
 
Coach K is awesome. He doesn't get caught. On the court or off.

 

[tims4wins]

Duke won the development 4yr way in the past and now they Calipari'd it too. Haters gonna hate.

 
Ironically it was Allen and Jones, not Winslow and Okafor, who were the keys

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

 
Ironically it was Allen and Jones, not Winslow and Okafor, who were the keys

All 4 of them are freshmen, so don't see the point.  But true. And Gonzaga was the actually the key.
 
That's why K rocks, anyone can step up if they follow K's cheating but don't get caught system.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

That's right, it's only cheating if you get caught.
 
Coach K is awesome. He doesn't get caught. On the court or off.

How is a college player flopping to sell a call classified as "cheating?" it's part of the game and there are risks associated with flopping. If you don't get the call you put your team at a greet disadvantage as it takes you out of the play. It is a skill that is practiced like other skills
.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

How is a college player flopping to sell a call classified as "cheating?"

It's like the RICO of sports.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

It's like the RICO of sports.

Link to the rule please. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

Link to the rule please. You have no idea what you are talking about.

K teaches it in practice. No link, buddy. You have to be there or be a friend of the program.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

How is a college player flopping to sell a call classified as "cheating?" it's part of the game and there are risks associated with flopping. If you don't get the call you put your team at a greet disadvantage as it takes you out of the play. It is a skill that is practiced like other skills
.

It's kind of like kindly asking a merchant that they need your "protection."
 
It's also the hand-checking and excssive body contact that Mr. Ryan tried to mention. K has a whole system in place. Legalized, athletic,  RICO.
 
It's great as a Duke fan. Coach K is like a basketball Tony Soprano, charismatic on the outside, ruthless by heart.

 

[WayBackVazquez]

How is a college player flopping to sell a call classified as "cheating?" it's part of the game and there are risks associated with flopping. If you don't get the call you put your team at a greet disadvantage as it takes you out of the play. It is a skill that is practiced like other skills
.

 
It's a part of the game because people have made it part of the game. Steroids were part of the game of baseball, too. Most people think it's a "problem" that's "ugly" and "cheap." Even that paragon of morality Rick Pitino would seemingly disagree with you.
 

I didn't start Chris, not because of his shooting percentages, I didn't start him because of the flop issue,” Pitino said after Louisville beat Long Beach State 63-48. “I was very upset at that. We don't do that type of thing. And then to fake it with the jaw like you got hit. You can't fake it. In junior college you do it. But you can't fake it. It's on TV. You can't fake those things. So I told him, you're not playing because of that. That's something Louisville guys don't do. 

 

[DukeSox]

Dude shut up
 
edit: not you, WBV

 

[HomeRunBaker]

Wow you really are citing Rick Pitino, one of the pioneers of teaching how to step in to draw a charge and sell to the officials while at Providence, as the authority of flopping? He sold you with that quote just as his players sell the call. He was pissed because the kid FAILED at drawing the charge while resulted in it looking like a flop. If executed properly, as is taught by the Rictator himself, it is highly effective and legal.

 

[WayBackVazquez]

Wow you really are citing Rick Pitino, one of the pioneers of teaching how to step in to draw a charge and sell to the officials while at Providence, as the authority of flopping? 

 
Someone alert SoxJox that it was actually Rick Pitino who "originated" flopping. I defer to your knowledge in all things Providence, HRB. You earned that with your declaration that Providence would be a pick 'em against Michigan State.

 

[tims4wins]

All 4 of them are freshmen, so don't see the point.  But true. And Gonzaga was the actually the key.
 
That's why K rocks, anyone can step up if they follow K's cheating but don't get caught system.

 
I mean that Allen and Jones aren't the one and done types like Winslow and Okafor - so it's not exactly winning like Calipari.

 

[HomeRunBaker]

 
Someone alert SoxJox that it was actually Rick Pitino who "originated" flopping. I defer to your knowledge in all things Providence, HRB. You earned that with your declaration that Providence would be a pick 'em against Michigan State.

You mean the speculation that I later gave you credit for being correct on based off their Round 2 line?

Pitino was the pioneer in advanced stat tracking and goal setting each game when he had Jeff Van Gundy as a grad asst charting deflections, proper defensive rotations, and yes charges. It was drilled every day in practice at Alumni Hall. He was also the first to not allow his teams to shoot long 2's. It was penetrate to the rim or kick out for a 3. This was in the late 80's and he was way ahead of the times.

 

[SoxJox]

 
Someone alert SoxJox that it was actually Rick Pitino who "originated" flopping. I defer to your knowledge in all things Providence, HRB. You earned that with your declaration that Providence would be a pick 'em against Michigan State.

Got it.  Actually, I think flopping was originated by one of the fish that fell out if Simon Peter's net while Jesus was leading him to becoming a fisher of men.

 

[DukeSox]

"It's surreal," Cook acknowledged. "To have his arm around me and hugging me while we're watching One Shining Moment was probably the best feeling in my life. ... I'm just blessed. I'm just blessed that Coach thought I was good enough to come to Duke."
 
 

Quinn is the man.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

 
I mean that Allen and Jones aren't the one and done types like Winslow and Okafor - so it's not exactly winning like Calipari.

Jones is

 

[tims4wins]

True could be

 

[DukeSox]

https://grantland.com/the-triangle/ncaa-championship-shootaround-blue-is-the-warmest-color/

 

[minischwab]

Yes, this is a flop. 
 
https://instagram.com/p/1KVZonDn2S/

Didnt kaminaky do this very same thing on the okafor charge minutes into the game?

 

[minischwab]

I mean that Allen and Jones aren't the one and done types like Winslow and Okafor - so it's not exactly winning like Calipari.

Dont count winslow as done yet. His dad is very much against one-and-done. Will be justise's decision but the family wants him to do another year.

 

[soxhop411]

SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter  3m3 minutes ago
NCAA head of officiating says refs didn't see all replay angles airing on TV for controversial out-of-bounds call late. (via @SIRIUSXM)
 
Bull****

 

[minischwab]

What good would another year do him? Is two-and-done somehow more honorable? He's a guaranteed top 10 pick now with top 5 or 6 upside. Staying would be an incredibly dumb decision.

I didnt say he shouldnt go pro. He's a top 5 pick. But his dad, a former pro, thinks its hard to make the jump after 1 year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/04/06/justise-winslow-duke-nba-draft-lottery-pick-ncaa-tournament/25338631/

 

[HomeRunBaker]

I didnt say he shouldnt go pro. He's a top 5 pick. But his dad, a former pro, thinks its hard to make the jump after 1 year.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2015/04/06/justise-winslow-duke-nba-draft-lottery-pick-ncaa-tournament/25338631/

Someone needs to inform Dad that it isn't about making the jump as a rookie it's about starting the clock to FA a year sooner while getting paid a year earlier as a bonus.

 

[Greg29fan]

Didnt kaminaky do this very same thing on the okafor charge minutes into the game?

 
Yes, Kaminsky is a noted flopper as shown earlier in this thread.  His one against UNC and Joel James was hilarious.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

Anyone watching the women's champ game tonight?

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I am.  I love watching the Lady Huskies.

 

[SoxJox]

Watching, yes.  Relatively Casper Milquetoast game so far.  Neither team is really sharp.

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

I expect they'll really loosen up in the 2nd half

 

[thehitcat]

I am.  I love watching the Lady Huskies.

QFT they are just that good.  

 

[jcd0805]

I'm watching with my dad who's a huge Huskie fan, way more nervous than I thought I'd be.

 

[jon abbey]

Unbelievable they've now gone 10-0 in NCAA finals.

 

[jcd0805]

Good job UConn!

 

[thehitcat]

Stewie's got a chance to go for 4 in 4 next year.  That's unthinkable.  Ever since they broke back against Baylor 3 years ago they have been lapping the field. I am not a UConn fan by any stretch but this team is great and fun to watch.  I can't help but root for them. 

 

[Moosey]

That was a fun game. Go Huskies!

 

[Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat]

Unbelievable they've now gone 10-0 in NCAA finals.

That's hard to grasp

 

[Dan Murfman]

Unbelievable they've now gone 10-0 in NCAA finals.

  

That's hard to grasp

And then you add in the men and UConn is 14-0 in championship games.

 

[ivanvamp]

Kentucky men are 38-2 in their last 40 games.  
 
UConn women....are ridiculously good.  Geno is amazing.

 

[DennyDoyle'sBoil]

Unbelievable they've now gone 10-0 in NCAA finals.

nevermind, beaten to it

 

[DJnVa]

 
SportsCenter ‏@SportsCenter  3m3 minutes ago
NCAA head of officiating says refs didn't see all replay angles airing on TV for controversial out-of-bounds call late. (via @SIRIUSXM)
 
Bull****
 

 
I buy it. You know why? Because if you hear the guy's entire statement he then admits that after the refs left the table he saw the replay that we saw and debated calling them back over and decided against it because it wasn't protocol.
 

"We never saw, on our monitor, what everybody saw at home, if you can believe that," Adams said, via Tom Ley of Deadspin. "I saw it after they had left the monitor, and actually thought about, is it in my prerogative to get up, run over to the table, buzz the buzzer and tell them to come back and look?"
 

 

"They'd already left. It will be one of the things we will follow up on," Adams said, per Sam Cooper of Yahoo Sports. "We've been told time and time again that nobody at home will see anything you didn't see. And I will tell you that's not what happened last night. That's not an excuse; that's just laying it out for you."
 

 

[DJnVa]

Unbelievable they've now gone 10-0 in NCAA finals.

 
They said on the radio this morning that if they had lost tonight 180-0 they still would have shattered the NCAA women's record for scoring margin.
 
That's ridiculous.

 

[jon abbey]

Ha, that's a great stat.

 

[GraysonGrandeGonads]

I'd rather watch something like Australia play Russia or France. Watching Uconn women or the US play basketball (either gender) isn't sport, it's not competition. Too lopsided, now that Tenn and Stanford are no longer giants.
 
Duke men is my Goliath; and they lose their fair share.  K has Calipari/Pitino/Roy at least. Geno is too good.