Yeah, I mean talk about a head coach that's difficult to root for. He looks like Clint Eastwood screaming at the chair at the RNC on the sidelines all game.riboflav said:Stay classy, Bo.
Yeah, I mean talk about a head coach that's difficult to root for. He looks like Clint Eastwood screaming at the chair at the RNC on the sidelines all game.riboflav said:Stay classy, Bo.
He's an incredibly easy coach to root for.Ed Hillel said:Yeah, I mean talk about a head coach that's difficult to root for. He looks like Clint Eastwood screaming at the chair at the RNC on the sidelines all game.
He wasn't that subtle.DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
Yeah he just called out the refs there but did it subtly. Cut to Gumbel saying he was "classy". NCAA officiating is awful.
SemperFidelisSox said:Duke caught some breaks with their region and match ups along the way. Who was the best team they had to beat after this Wisconsin team, fucking Gonzaga? Getting an overachieving Mich St. team in the semifinals while Wisconsin was going 12 rounds with Kentucky probably played a part in the energy levels tonight.
extend it a little further even. Wisconsin had to play Arizona before Kentucky as well. You could say Wisconsin played the other three top favorites to win it all besides themselves all in row.SemperFidelisSox said:Duke caught some breaks with their region and match ups along the way. Who was the best team they had to beat after this Wisconsin team, fucking Gonzaga? Getting an overachieving Mich St. team in the semifinals while Wisconsin was going 12 rounds with Kentucky probably played a part in the energy levels tonight.
HomeRunBaker said:Ooooh this is fun. Let's have an Internet argument about which successful college basketball coach cheats more than the other.
It's a dirty industry and once you accept this you will be able to enjoy the games much more. Calipari and Coach K have a HUGE advantage with their relationship with Worldwide Wes yet none of us know if or how much they actually bend the rules to be the safe keepers to these prize jewel kids.
If you want to have fun google "John Wooden Sam Gilbert"......Wooden makes Cal look like a saint.
Who is this Worldwide Wes? Would love to know more about him.HomeRunBaker said:Ooooh this is fun. Let's have an Internet argument about which successful college basketball coach cheats more than the other.
It's a dirty industry and once you accept this you will be able to enjoy the games much more. Calipari and Coach K have a HUGE advantage with their relationship with Worldwide Wes yet none of us know if or how much they actually bend the rules to be the safe keepers to these prize jewel kids.
If you want to have fun google "John Wooden Sam Gilbert"......Wooden makes Cal look like a saint.
DanMikeTheoBen said:Who is this Worldwide Wes? Would love to know more about him.
BigSoxFan said:Anybody who is familiar with BC basketball during the 2000s knows that poor Wisconsin got Al Skinner'd. Timeouts should have been called to calm down his team while Allen was igniting Duke. And to give Kaminsky a breather since he was done. You could see Wisconsin's offense screeching to a halt.
He is a guy connected to everyone in the game. He funnels elite HS players to Cal and K, he was the guy at The Palace holding Artest escorting him off the court following the brawl, he is friends with agent Leon Rose. He is literally everywhere and is the reason why Cal and K get the players they do. Now, does this mean Cal and K are involved in "sleazy recruiting practices?"......it's how you interpret what it is they give Wes in return.DanMikeTheoBen said:Who is this Worldwide Wes? Would love to know more about him.
CouchsideSteve said:Back of the napkin: Duke attempted 118 FTs vs. 65 for their opponents in this tournament.
Maybe they were just *so* damn disciplined... or perhaps Bo has a point.
Anytime I see Olivia munn I'm happyDanMikeTheoBen said:They got Olivia Munn, Izzo (2x), and the flutist into 1 Shining Moment so I'm happy.
RedOctober3829 said:Bo calling out programs for taking "rent a players" was classy too.
That's it. Duke is the classic team that's hated because they win. That makes sense, but it's hard to hate them the same way that you hate the Lakers or Cowboys or other teams that regularly have horribly unlikable players ontheir rosters.DrewDawg said:
Because lots of us root for teams that Duke beats?
When one team gets calls in the first half and the other team gets calls in the second half, the end result is not equalDeathofthebambino said:
I don't disagree that Duke gets calls (although tonight, I thought Wisconsin got the calls in the first half, and it reversed down the stretch), but in fairness, you have to account for the fact that they won 6 games, and they took a lot of "extra" foul shots down the stretches of those games as opponents tried to catch up and keep time on the clock.
If you grant that 20 of the FTs were just a product of holding leads late (and really, Utah & Gonzaga were the only two games that devolved to fouls at the end), Duke still shot almost 40% more FTs than opponents.Deathofthebambino said:
I don't disagree that Duke gets calls (although tonight, I thought Wisconsin got the calls in the first half, and it reversed down the stretch), but in fairness, you have to account for the fact that they won 6 games, and they took a lot of "extra" foul shots down the stretches of those games as opponents tried to catch up and keep time on the clock.
SumnerH said:That's it. Duke is the classic team that's hated because they win. That makes sense, but it's hard to hate them the same way that you hate the Lakers or Cowboys or other teams that regularly have horribly unlikable players ontheir rosters.
StuckOnYouk said:What was that stat, between Duke and Kentucky they had 16 of the 17 all-americans in the final four?
CouchsideSteve said:If you grant that 20 of the FTs were just a product of holding leads late (and really, Utah & Gonzaga were the only two games that devolved to fouls at the end), Duke still shot almost 40% more FTs than opponents.
Officiating is a huge, huge deal in basketball... and as Jay Williams just noted on ESPN, this year's tournament left a lot to be desired in that realm. I didn't have allegiance to any of the Final Four teams, but watching these last three games has left me with a very sour taste.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
He was on the pre-game radio show talking about how he was born to be a leader and a teacher. He is a phony and if the only defense is that he is doing what everyone else is doing, that's pretty pathetic. I understand its how you run a successful NCAA basketball program but let's not pretend these guys are brilliant because they have figured out how to wade out of the sleaze with the most prospects in tow.
FTFYHomeRunBaker said:He is a guy connected to everyone in the game. He funnels elite HS players to Cal and K, he was the guy at The Palace holding Artest escorting him off the court following the brawl, he is friends with agent Leon Rose. He is literally everywhere and is the reason why Cal and K get the players they do. Now, does this mean Cal and K are involved in "sleazy recruiting practices?"......it's how you interpret what it istheyNike gives Wes in return.
this,CouchsideSteve said:Back of the napkin: Duke attempted 118 FTs vs. 65 for their opponents in this tournament.
Maybe they were just *so* damn disciplined... or perhaps Bo has a point.
That doesn't oppose my point. Obviously everyone hates winners, but people basically hate Duke because they're good.WayBackVazquez said:
Beg to differ.
Cherokee Parks didn't even make the bracket, and if Duke weren't its own region, Redick is the number 2 overall seed.
This is really weird because it seems to support what I was saying pretty perfectly.WayBackVazquez said:No, they're not. If you think people hated Laettner and Ferry and Redick for the same reason they hate Arron Rodgers (and I don't think they even do), I have to think you just weren't really following college basketball. You're wrong about this.
SumnerH said:This is really weird because it seems to support what I was saying pretty perfectly.
Rodgers is disliked precisely because he's a great opponent. I don't see him an asshole or cheater or centaur-posting narcissist or the like. He's just a really good player who plays against my team, exactly a la Laettner or Reddick or Battier.
SumnerH said:That doesn't oppose my point. Obviously everyone hates winners, but people basically hate Duke because they're good.
That's understandable, but far different from hating Calipari or Roethlisberger or Vick or Shaq or Kobe or Ray Lewis or Laimbeer or Canseco or other players who are intrinsically hateable assholes.
It's more like why people hate Brady or Rodgers or Mariano Rivera. Still hate, but primarily motivated by being good rather than anything else.
WayBackVazquez said:No, they're not. If you think people hated Laettner and Ferry and Redick for the same reason they hate Aaron Rodgers (and I don't think they even do), I have to think you just weren't really following college basketball. You're wrong about this.
SumnerH said:This is really weird because it seems to support what I was saying pretty perfectly.
Rodgers is disliked precisely because he's a great opponent. I don't see him an asshole or cheater or centaur-posting narcissist or the like. He's just a really good player who plays against my team, exactly a la Laettner or Reddick or Battier.
And those 1990-2004 teams were exactly when I was watching the most college basketball.
No. As a Carolina fan, those Duke players were frustrating as hell but never had a player as crappy and rule breaking as a Laimbeer type; as far as the late 90s go, Jake Voshkul was in that cheating, fouling vein, though not as good and UNC wasn't a contender at the time so it was hard to muster too much hate for him.WayBackVazquez said:
Are you drunk right now?
Dude, you're 100% wrong.SumnerH said:No. As a Carolina fan, those Duke players were frustrating as hell but never had a player as crappy and rule breaking as a Laimbeer type; as far as the late 90s go, Jake Voshkul was in that cheating, fouling vein, though not as good and UNC wasn't a contender at the time so it was hard to muster too much hate for him.
Jay Williams and Ed Cota were enemies but there was never a sense that Williams was a cheating ass. He was just a solid playing opponent. Laettner was wildly hated, but entirely because he was really good-he never threw tons of elbows or the like.
SumnerH said:So you're honestly extrapolating from one play and claiming that he had a general reputation as a dirty player, or was such independent of reputation? Seriously? Now who's showing absolutely no knowledge of the game at the time? That's a total retcon based on him hitting a few key shots in the tournament.
Your "explanations" are along the lines of "Dude you're 100% wrong". There's literally no evidence or argument there. I don't dispute that people hate Duke or Mo Rivera, I'm just saying that the primary reason they do is because they're good.WayBackVazquez said:
I don't know; some lurker I haven't seen before. But I'm still waiting for your explanation of how what I wrote, which explicitly rejects your premise that Duke players are hated just because they were good, actually supports it.
Look, you and I (and most of the rest of the world) are just going to have to disagree on this. I'm going back to work on my "I Hate Kemba Walker" blog. Because of UConn's success, you know.
Gunfighter 09 said:
I think his record as the Olympic Coach, separate from Duke, makes any critiques of his coaching leadership seem pretty stupid. The best players on the planet respect the hell out of him and give him results that seemed to be gone before he was there.
SumnerH said:Your "explanations" are along the lines of "Dude you're 100% wrong". There's literally no evidence or argument there. I don't dispute that people hate Duke or Mo Rivera, I'm just saying that the primary reason they do is because they're good.
Uconn isn't generally hated, either, outside of Voshkul's random elbows. People who hate Rip Hamilton or Kimball Walker mostly do so so because they were really freaking good, not because they were assholes on or off the court.
“I probably deserved it,” Redick says. “I was sort of a prick.”
Redick says throughout that game, he and Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti, seated courtside, exchanged barbs. “He was talking noise to me the whole game, and I was just yapping back,” Redick says. “I watch video now of me in college, and I just think, What are you doing, man?”
There are levels of Duke hate. Lowest is reserved for anyone who has the gall to put on the jersey (Jay Williams). Above that is for those who embody what Coach K’s Dukies have come to stand for — mostly charge-taking, face-making, and floor-slapping. Some of this is driven by race (Wojo, Greg Paulus), but it doesn’t have to be (Shane Battier).
The final stage is the least populated, a designation given only to those who move beyond the inherent and consciously mold their own villainy. “[Christian] Laettner kind of liked it,” Grant Hill says. “He used to taunt the crowd. He embraced it. He loved it, being the villain, the bad guy.” Redick’s place in the third category is a product of his time in the other two. “I think I created this persona on the court to deal with the antics of the other crowd, to kind of combat that,” Redick says. “It’s not who I was. It was never who I was. I look back on that, especially my first two years, and I probably deserved a lot of the animosity.”
Redick acknowledges that if he’d distanced himself from the character, some of the hatred may have dissipated. There was one problem with that, though. He started to like it. “I embraced it, for sure,” Redick says. The antics spilled into Redick’s later years in Durham — a wave to the crowd after a buzzer-beater in Tallahassee, a pointed display of three fingers in Chapel Hill — but he’s older now.
DeJesus Built My Hotrod said:
If you gave Shaka Smart or Brad Stevens the same players that Coach K or Cal has had over the years, do you not think they would have won a few championships already? Let's see what Smart does with Texas and their money machine now that he has changed addresses. As a side note, I bet he could coach the fuck out of Team USA too.