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If you are giving up a Brooklyn pick and 2 of your 5 starters, you better be getting back a sure thing. You don't give up good basketball players and a high pick for a player with injury history. Not to mention Griffin hasn't really improved at all during his time in the league.

The Celtics should hold these assets until a sure thing is made available. And if not, you draft Fultz/Jackson/Ball/Smith Jr this year, Carter/Porter/Ayton in 2018, and be a good to great team the next 15 years. It's a great position to be in.
 

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Sounds like the Jazz are letting it be known that Favors can be had. He's struggled with injuries this year but is still somehow only 25 years-old and is signed through next year. Might be a decent under-the-radar target.
I would be all for him if Ainge and company thinks he could stay mostly healthy. He's terrific when healthy. Wouldn't give up nets picks or anything, but depending on the price (of course)
 

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Sounds like the Jazz are letting it be known that Favors can be had. He's struggled with injuries this year but is still somehow only 25 years-old and is signed through next year. Might be a decent under-the-radar target.
I wouldn't have any interest, he's not the kind of player you sacrifice your cap space for (Utah agrees, they want to move him so they can afford Hill and Hayward).
Even as a player ignoring cap implications I don't see a fit. He's not a good offensive player at all, and his inability to stretch the floor or pass all that well will hurt the system. On defense he's a solid but not spectacular rim protector, only slightly better than Amir. His rebounding is decent though it's declined significantly the last 4 years.
 

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Butler has a reputation for being difficult in the clubhouse, so his BFF continues to be a sticking point. I'm not sure why Chicago keeps demanding Crowder knowing this, unless they're really not interested in trading.
Butler has been better this season, clearly trying to be more mature and more of a team captain. Wade has had a big influence, for better and for worse. Butler is an emotional, speak his mind kind of guy. He came into a Bulls team dominated by intense personalities like Thibodeau and Joakim Noah, and then became the face of the franchise as the team brought in the overmatched Hoiberg. Being in a stable, organized environment might work wonders for him.

As far as asking for Crowder in a deal, who knows? Foreman and Paxson are in panic mode. Reinsdorf is a very patient owner, but the Bulls are in a downward spiral, lurching from deal to deal with no real master plan. At least Crowder would be a system fit for Hoiberg, which is more than can be said for almost the entire rest of the roster. In other words, don't try to look for the logic in Bulls rumors, look for the ways it helps Foreman & Paxson hang on to their jobs.
 

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The point is that Boston refuses to include Crowder because they clearly want Butler's BFF in the clubhouse to make certain that the transition is smooth. This was the sticking point last year and it's apparently the sticking point again. It doesn't matter what sort of fit that Crowder is for the Bulls' offense, Boston isn't interested in sending him out in Butler trade for clubhouse reasons.
 

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We're having a comma issue here. I read that as:

1) One of Crowder, Bradley, or Smart;
2) A first round pick (mystery which).

I wouldn't move Crowder or Smart for Blake straight up, let alone include a pick. I'd do Bradley and a non-Brooklyn pick. I'd pass on including a Brooklyn pick.
I think Blake would be a better fit in Boston than he is in LA, and I'd be all for trading for him. I'd do Bradley and the Celtics' 2018 first in a heartbeat, but that seems like a lowball offer. At the same time, like you, I'd balk at including any one of Crowder, Smart, or a Nets pick.

But how do the Clippers better themselves in 2018 by dealing Blake for Bradley and a first?
 

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The point is that Boston refuses to include Crowder because they clearly want Butler's BFF in the clubhouse to make certain that the transition is smooth. This was the sticking point last year and it's apparently the sticking point again. It doesn't matter what sort of fit that Crowder is for the Bulls' offense, Boston isn't interested in sending him out in Butler trade for clubhouse reasons.
I thought the point is that Chicago (Foreman/Paxson) have to get a haul so impressive for Butler that they convince Reinsdorf that this isn't a full rebuild, but a quick turn around. It's almost like both sides need to agree on a trade.
 

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So if we're doing the whole "emoji's as trade gossip" thing -


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So Andre Drummond just retweeted Isaiah and then also tweeted ""
 

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I think Ainge has the leverage here... and he should not budge. The Celtics are well-positioned today and in the future, and the Bulls...are not. Furthermore, there's not any other obvious suitors on the market.

Crowder and BKN 2017 should just be off the table as a combination in any Butler deal.
 

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yeah, jimmy butler is a much better fit here at SG than SF given our lack of backcourt size. The only reason he is playing out of position at SF this year is bc of bulls dysfunction. moreover, crowder is a great asset/contract, plays the most minutes at our thinnest position. I think it's unlikely crowder goes out at the deadline unless it's for George. I could see Bradley + rozier + bkn 1st (and other filler) as a likely package for butler.
 

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Forbes' Mitch Lawrence said, "The Celtics reportedly tried to make a late run for Cousins." Anyone see this anywhere else? Or just bad reporting?

(Edited to add link.)
 

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Maybe they heard was the Pelicans were offering and "tried" to beat it without Nets picks or Brown? Doesn't seem like there would be much more than that based off of everything else being reported.
 

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Andre Drummond was supposedly offered for DeMarcus Cousins so Andre being traded could happen... but yeah they are fucking with us.
 

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I don't see the Pistons much—is his defense actually good or is he another Whiteside type that puts up flashy but often empty rebound/block numbers? I know he's put up some serious games against Boston's light front court but he really doesn't fit much of anything that we do on offense and would force Horford permanently to the 4 spot which is really troublesome (he has none of Cousins' versatility to make such an arrangement work okay).
 

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I know it's just Simmons, but this tweet made me upset just thinking about it.

 

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Really? What does Gay bring to the table?
Plays above league average defense, decent scorer, decent rebounder. I wouldn't want to give up much real value for him, but he'd be a pretty big improvement on the Gerald Green and Jerebko minutes and take some of the offensive weight off Thomas.
 

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Looking around the league for guys who might be available and considerably help with our rebounding and could really only come up with Tyson Chandler and Kenneth Faried. Not sure I'd want either.
 

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You forgot Andre Drummond :)

I just really wish it was Thursday afternoon. Trolling this thread and the rest of the internet for trade news is killing my productivity.
 

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Playing along, what would it take to get Drummond? Nets 2017 + Jaylen + ???
Yikes, I certainly hope not. A guy with a limited offensive game (and sub-40% FT shooting)? He looks like a slightly bouncier Kendrick Perkins. I'm not giving up a high upside Brown AND a top 4 pick for that...
 

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If the Knicks manage to turn Melo and Rose, as has been rumored, into Ricky Rubio, Jae Crowder, and two first round picks Phil Jackson deserves whatever award they give to GMs who completely accidentally improve their team.
 

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Yikes, I certainly hope not. A guy with a limited offensive game (and sub-40% FT shooting)? He looks like a slightly bouncier Kendrick Perkins. I'm not giving up a high upside Brown AND a top 4 pick for that...
Not saying it'd be a smart deal but I can't imagine they'd ask for less.
 

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Simmons must be fried after his preferred trade target of the last 3 years and his preferred player from last year's draft were traded for each other.
 

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Take it for what it’s worth--Rotoworld says:
>>The Mavs and Celtics are expected to discuss a deal that would send Andrew Bogut to Boston in exchange for one of the Celtics first-round picks, according to Mike Fisher of Scout.com.

This rumor has not been confirmed by any other national outlets, so it's unknown how accurate it is. The report states that such a trade is dependant on Boston first making another, larger move. The deal with Dallas would purportedly center around Bogut and his expiring contract in exchange for Tyler Zeller and one of Boston's less valuable future first-round picks
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Given Ainge's track record of getting all his ducks in a row and then going all in in one fell swoop (viz. 2007), how about trying to turn basically all the picks and young assets (both Brooklyn picks, Brown et al.) into Jimmy Butler AND Paul George? And then adding tough, available vets like Bogut, Matt Barnes and Langston Galloway on the cheap?

Death lineup: IT / Butler / Crowder / George / Horford
Traditional lineup: IT / Butler / George / Horford / Bogut

Shoot the moon or not at all, imho. Just adding Butler for one of the BKN picks seems to me like a half-measure (kinda like adding Ray but not KG).

If you're not all in, you might as well just move IT for MOARR picks and build for 2020 and beyond, when the Warriors' big 4 starts to decline.
 

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Stein was on Zach Lowe's podcast today. Here's the Celtics-related content.

--Stein on Jimmy Butler: "I don't think Butler is getting traded. They've told multiple teams he's not available. Boston is the only team they'd move him to. They want 1 BKN pick, Bradley, and Crowder. Some say ownership doesn't want to move Butler. More teams than not have been told Butler is not available."

--Stein on Paul George: "I had an executive last night tell me that Paul George is going to Boston this week. I don't think Indiana is going to move him and I think they'll make moves to strengthen the team this week to convice George to stay."
 

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The more I read and hear, the more I'm convinced the Celtics won't be doing anything major
 

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I agree that the Celtics aren't doing anything other than adding a bench player or two, however, I'd shoot the works for Paul George provided you are certain he will sign. He is a perfect fit on this roster. Better shooter than Jimmy Butler which is important for an offense that is being built around the 3.
 

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Another interesting bit from the Lowe/Stein podcast:
Lowe thinks the Celtics might trade the 2017 Brooklyn pick with top 1 or top 2 protection.

Edit- though he thinks Chicago walks away because they are too risk averse.
 

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Michael Lee of The Vertical

The Celtics have been engaged in discussions with the Chicago Bulls about landing All-Star Jimmy Butler in a move that could elevate a squad that already is in second place in the conference but has more upgradable assets than it can handle.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/lebron-james-not-ready-to-give-up-eastern-conference-throne-161546245.html

whitesoxdave ‏@barstoolWSD 3m3 minutes ago
TAKE THIS FWIW: hearing bulls are are offering Niko in a Butler deal to with Boston to entice them to add Brooklyn's first rounder