NBA suspends season

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A medical conference in Boston in late February is said to be the hot spot for Massachusetts infections. Gobert could have picked it up at the practice facility, or somewhere else in Boston. The state of Utah is just experiencing its first cases the last few days .

 

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Are there any legitimate grounds to sue Gobert? Guessing not but he might want to hire a lawyer just in case.
 

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What about players who have pregnant wives or girlfriends? Or those that have elderly or immunocompromised family members that they have to be in contact with? It’s a complicated situation and forcing players to come into physical contact with very likely carriers of the virus is a can of worms to say the least.
I was thinking about the post you responded to last night and this is where I'm at. What if a player dives into the crowd trying to save a loose ball? It's more likely the elderly have the money to sit courtside, too.
 

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Are there any legitimate grounds to sue Gobert? Guessing not but he might want to hire a lawyer just in case.
I'd guess no since he wasn't aware he was positive. The NBA's suspension of the season however does seem to be, at least to some degree, liability related
 

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Even if the season continued i assume they would trim the Playoffs to top 4 teams in each Conference. Maybe top 2.

Celts might be on the outside looking in if thats possible.

But good for the NBA to set monetary issues aside for the common health good.
Everything happening fast but we will know soon how much of an economic impact it will have on the league. Based on the language in the CBA that protects the owners from paying the players due to the cancellation of games outside of the NBA's control. The language reads 1/92.6 of their salary for every game missed which unless I'm missing something means they will be paid about 10% of what they would normally earn for each game. If the owners are saving 90% of payroll how much are ESPN/TNT protected in their contract with the NBA?

It will be interesting to see how the loss or revenue affects the salary cap moving forward.
 

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So just let all the players give it to each other (and whoever they come into contact with)? They don't know who has it and who doesn't. Heck, Rudy Gobert may not even be NBA's patient zero. If anything,, this strong action is providing the sort of example which our country's leadership is failing at.
Yeah, not what I said.
 

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What about players who have pregnant wives or girlfriends? Or those that have elderly or immunocompromised family members that they have to be in contact with? It’s a complicated situation and forcing players to come into physical contact with very likely carriers of the virus is a can of worms to say the least.
Who said anything about forcing players to do anything. I was super clear.
 

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It does sound encouraging that Mitchell was the only Jazz teammate who tested positive considering they have been in close contact with Gobert, including flying on airplanes and physical contact, over the past week.
 

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Yeah, not what I said.
Functionally, that's what you said. Players were not going to opt out of playing if there were games on the calendar. You know these athletes just as well as any of us. I mean we had several of the league's superstars scoffing at the idea of playing in empty stadiums. And let's say some players do decide to opt out. So we just let the ignorant or proud players give each other and their acquaintances the virus? The proposal just doesn't work.
 

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All jokes aside: this is what video games are for.

I had to quit gaming cold turkey years ago because it was just too addictive for me, but this is exactly the sort of apocalyptic shit required to get me to revisit them for a time. Plus: these days, games are legit spectator sports, too, so if you just want to turn your brain off and watch people who are really good at something compete, you can.
You can go play with Devin Booker, he has some time to spare in the next 30 days...

View: https://youtu.be/4gIqZy6NPY0
 

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it's really frustrating when the players I root against and sports-hate turn out to be upstanding citizens, with thoughtful and well-considered points of view and generally good character. It'd be so much simpler if Lebron were a cartoon villain, for example, or if James Harden were secretly running a meth-lab ring.
 

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Where did the tests come from?
The 50-plus tests that were run on the Jazz’s traveling party after C Rudy Gobert tested positive for COVID-19 were from the state and not a private lab. And the number of tests run on Jazz players represents over half of the state’s daily testing peak capacity testing levels.

 

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DId you see a kid in Rhode Island that got a signature from Gobert at the Jazz game has tested positive?

It's possible he got it from someone else, but simplest explanation is that Gobert was contagious in Boston, despite earlier thinking that he was not.
 

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DId you see a kid in Rhode Island that got a signature from Gobert at the Jazz game has tested positive?

It's possible he got it from someone else, but simplest explanation is that Gobert was contagious in Boston, despite earlier thinking that he was not.
The kid could have given it to Gobert as well. What is bizarre is that 28 members of the Utah traveling party were tested and only Mitchell tested positive. I also don’t understand how these results can legally be released by the teams as it appears to be a HIPAA violation the way the leagues CBA is written
 

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The players (Love, Zion, Giannis, Blake, etc) doing the right thing is a nice/classy move but this is 100% on the owners' IMO. This is their business, their employees and they own the equity upside/downside.

I imagine Adam Silver will get out in front of this.
 

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what the fuck indeed. Well we'd really like to help out but it's just so much easier to release an ambiguous press release pretending to help out.
 

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The kid could have given it to Gobert as well. What is bizarre is that 28 members of the Utah traveling party were tested and only Mitchell tested positive. I also don’t understand how these results can legally be released by the teams as it appears to be a HIPAA violation the way the leagues CBA is written
Is it a HIPAA violation if they agree to it? also, HIPAA only applies to healthcare professionals. If the players shared their results with management, then that wouldn't be a violation either.
 

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Some salary cap/max discussion:

It is impossible to calculate exactly how much the salary cap could be reduced without knowing if games will be postponed or canceled, but a drop of $10 million to $15 million is not outside the realm of possibility. The minimum teams were required to spend on player payroll, a projection of $98 million, could suddenly become the maximum, bringing down the current projected luxury-tax threshold of $132 million with it. Teams such as the Charlotte Hornets and New Orleans Pelicans, who have never paid the luxury tax, could suddenly find themselves facing hefty and unexpected bills.

bleacherreport.com/articles/2880688-nbas-coronavirus-hiatus-could-mean-chaos-for-leagues-economic-structure



So the year started out with Daryl Morey costing the league a few $$$, then this. Exactly why you don't go writing bad contracts to "keep salary slots", a classic bull market mistake.
 

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Is it a HIPAA violation if they agree to it? also, HIPAA only applies to healthcare professionals. If the players shared their results with management, then that wouldn't be a violation either.
No, not if they agree. The team is allowed to publicly divulge a players medical information without their consent if it affects their ability to participate in a game. I remember reading the exact language and thinking that this doesn’t apply since there were no games on the schedule. Of course Mitchell could have agreed to the results being publicly released.
 

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Some salary cap/max discussion:

It is impossible to calculate exactly how much the salary cap could be reduced without knowing if games will be postponed or canceled, but a drop of $10 million to $15 million is not outside the realm of possibility. The minimum teams were required to spend on player payroll, a projection of $98 million, could suddenly become the maximum, bringing down the current projected luxury-tax threshold of $132 million with it. Teams such as the Charlotte Hornets and New Orleans Pelicans, who have never paid the luxury tax, could suddenly find themselves facing hefty and unexpected bills.

bleacherreport.com/articles/2880688-nbas-coronavirus-hiatus-could-mean-chaos-for-leagues-economic-structure



So the year started out with Daryl Morey costing the league a few $$$, then this. Exactly why you don't go writing bad contracts to "keep salary slots", a classic bull market mistake.
Makes the Sixers’ Horford contract that much more delicious. They have like $147M in contracts for next couple of years. And if the cap shrinks like many expect, it gets that much harder to offload a bad deal.
 

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Makes the Sixers’ Horford contract that much more delicious. They have like $147M in contracts for next couple of years. And if the cap shrinks like many expect, it gets that much harder to offload a bad deal.
On the flip side, the Brown and Walker contracts become harder to deal with, and Hayward opting in would send us blasting into the tax. (Yes Jaylen is an asset even at a lower cap, but the contract isn’t saving much anymore.)

But yeah, Philly is utterly screwed if this happens—someone would have to go.
 

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$98MM sounds pretty draconian and probably would be a 1-year hit with the cap returning back to $118MM for 2012-22 and beyond.

A few things to consider/kick around:
1. Would it delay Tatum from accepting his MAX deal in 2020 and opt for RFA in the summer of 2021?
2. Hayward would definitely opt-in next season
3. Trades would be next to impossible, so unless Philly opted to give up 1sts for many years to come there would be no moving Ancient Al
4. Teams that added 2020-21 salary at the trade deadline like Atlanta, Memphis and Cleveland would look incredibly foolish (IMO they already do for adding overpriced big men in Capella, Dedmon, Drummond and Dieng)