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That's kind of my point. He left Miami over $7M to go play for a team that doesn't have a chance to win and likely won't be a spot for top free agents any time soon. Have fun with that.
Do you really think he has a burning desire for a 4th ring? If you're going to be stuck in mediocrity, might as well pick up some extra cash and try a new location, especially your hometown.
 

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That's kind of my point. He left Miami over $7M to go play for a team that doesn't have a chance to win and likely won't be a spot for top free agents any time soon. Have fun with that.
It will be fun, though, to see Wade, Butler and Rondo share a basketball
 

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Do you really think he has a burning desire for a 4th ring? If you're going to be stuck in mediocrity, might as well pick up some extra cash and try a new location, especially your hometown.
Apparently he doesn't have that desire, which surprised me. But I suppose he can opt out after this year and see if LeBron has room for him in Cleveland next year.
 

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NBA free agent rankings - Kevin Pelton on LeBron James, Dwyane Wade and best available players
http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/16641910/nba-free-agent-rankings-kevin-pelton-lebron-james-dwyane-wade-best-available-players

1. LeBron James
2. J.R. Smith
3. Maurice Harkless
4. Allen Crabbe
5. Jared Sullinger
6. Festus Ezeli
7. Donatas Motiejunas
8. Meyers Leonard
9. Tim Frazier
10. Terrence Jones

My guess is that MIA and BRK will be doing a lot of shopping from this list (James excluded, of course). I could definitely see one or both going after Sully and Crabbe.
 

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The Cavs somehow talked the Bucks into making the Dellavedova deal a sign and trade, which creates a $4.8 million TPE. That's a nice little asset for them.

As an aside, did they already complete the Dunleavy deal? They could probably fit him into the Delly TPE (numbers are really close) and keep the Varejao TPE for a larger fish.
 

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Jesse Blancarte ‏@JBlancarteNBA 3m3 minutes ago
According to @EricPincus, the NBA lowered the 2017-18 salary cap projection to $102 million, down from $107 million:
First bad break of the offseason for GS if true.

Only way they can fit in Durant at the max and keep Steph, Klay, Draymond and Iguodala is if Iguodala takes a paycut. Probably can't get more than 7M unless they give away Looney and McCaw to get him to 8M.
 

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First bad break of the offseason for GS if true.

Only way they can fit in Durant at the max and keep Steph, Klay, Draymond and Iguodala is if Iguodala takes a paycut. Probably can't get more than 7M unless they give away Looney and McCaw to get him to 8M.
Iguodala will likely accept less to stay in Oakland. He has talked about retiring with the Warriors and leveraging his team connections to get into the venture capital business after he hangs it up.
 

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The Cavs somehow talked the Bucks into making the Dellavedova deal a sign and trade, which creates a $4.8 million TPE. That's a nice little asset for them.

As an aside, did they already complete the Dunleavy deal? They could probably fit him into the Delly TPE (numbers are really close) and keep the Varejao TPE for a larger fish.
That's exactly what the Cavs are doing.

Dunleavy isn't a nice pick up for them, provided he stays healthy. The Cavs will really need to manage his minutes to make sure Dunleavy is in good shape for the playoffs.

As for the Bulls, what the fuck? Anyone who is upset with Ainge for not swinging a deal with the #3 pick or for signing Durant need to look at what John Paxson and Gar Foreman have done in Chicago. Jerry Reinsdorf is a pretty patient owner, but I think Paxson, Foreman, and Hoiberg probably need to prove themselves this season with a playoff trip or the emergence of a youngster as an all star (Portis or Mirotic) to keep their jobs. Desperation is the only way I can make sense of such impulsive signings.
 

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Blazers are adding Festus Ezeli with the room exception. I hated the Turner overpay, but if you would have told me a month ago that they would add Turner and Ezeli and keep all the RFAs I would have been pleasantly surprised.
 

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Blazers are adding Festus Ezeli with the room exception. I hated the Turner overpay, but if you would have told me a month ago that they would add Turner and Ezeli and keep all the RFAs I would have been pleasantly surprised.
No they aren't. They signed him to a 7.33M deal with a 7.4M player option. They had the room under the cap. (Room exception is the 2.9M like GS gave to ZaZa)
 

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Nets offer sheet Crabbe, four years $75 mil with a big trade kicker.

All told that's $125 mil for Crabbe and Johnson, lol.
 
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I don't think it's gonna make a lot of sense to compare anything to the Mozgov contract, even with the cap spike.

I'm sure Iguodala will take less to stay in GSW, but I think an important question to ask is if he's really a critical part of the Warriors plans for the next 5 years. He's turning 33 during the next season (his 13th in the league). I'm sure he can continue to be a glue guy and a contributor, but I doubt Myers and Kerr are banking on him being part of the crunch-time lineup until hes 37.
 

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Nets offer sheet Crabbe, four years $75 mil with a big trade kicker.

All told that's $125 mil for Crabbe and Johnson, lol.
I think the Crabbe contract was done with the expectation the Johnson contract will be matched...

Either way, that is an obscene amount of money for Crabbe, a guy that ideally would be the first guard off of the bench on a good team.
 

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7.4M for Ezeli seems a relative bargain compared to what guys like Mozgov are getting. I would have liked him on the Celtics for that.
I can't get over that contract and would have thought the Celts would have jumped on something in that range. I don't think Ezeli is a starting C in this league by any means and understand the shift to Bigs who can stretch the floor and all, but he seemed like a very competent big in the NBA, and with the money being thrown around, seems like an absolute steal (and that his agent sucks).
 

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I can't get over that contract and would have thought the Celts would have jumped on something in that range. I don't think Ezeli is a starting C in this league by any means and understand the shift to Bigs who can stretch the floor and all, but he seemed like a very competent big in the NBA, and with the money being thrown around, seems like an absolute steal (and that his agent sucks).
Not really fair to compare him to Mozgov because until Durant chose GSW, Ezili was RFA. While there was money thrown at unrestricted bigs at the start of free agency, thus far the market for rotational RFA bigs (Sullinger, Zeller, Leonard, Jones and Montejuenas) has been pretty soft.
 

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That's what she said.
Can someone outline how "Draft and Stash" contracts work? The way the following reads that if they stay overseas for two years they aren't rookie scale when they come over. Then what type of contract can they be given?

According to a source of the Bucks County Courier Times, Dario Saric may not join the 76ers next season.

Saric told reporters on June 29 that he was trying to finalize a buyout with his Turkish team Anadolu Efes, but he could be leaving a lot of money on the table by signing now and he may not see many minutes with Ben Simmons around. Saric wouldn't be limited to a rookie-scale contract if he stays overseas for one more season, and he could probably make twice that amount in 2017. "He's not coming over to be a backup," said the source. "Why would he come over now? How is he going to play?"
 

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Can someone outline how "Draft and Stash" contracts work? The way the following reads that if they stay overseas for two years they aren't rookie scale when they come over. Then what type of contract can they be given?

According to a source of the Bucks County Courier Times, Dario Saric may not join the 76ers next season.

Saric told reporters on June 29 that he was trying to finalize a buyout with his Turkish team Anadolu Efes, but he could be leaving a lot of money on the table by signing now and he may not see many minutes with Ben Simmons around. Saric wouldn't be limited to a rookie-scale contract if he stays overseas for one more season, and he could probably make twice that amount in 2017. "He's not coming over to be a backup," said the source. "Why would he come over now? How is he going to play?"
So basically for any draft pick if you sign them within 3 seasons of drafting them you are locked into rookie scale, after that you can pay them anything you want as long as you have cap room or an exception.
 

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Can you pay them anything you want, or are there still some restrictions? I thought that they still couldn't make more than the #1 pick from their own draft class, but whatever I read that stated that may have been a misinterpretation of the CBA.

EDIT: cbafaq.com says contract has to be three years and greater than 120% of the rookie scale. No other restrictions.
 
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Iguodala will likely accept less to stay in Oakland. He has talked about retiring with the Warriors and leveraging his team connections to get into the venture capital business after he hangs it up.
I agree he probably will. But man, he'd be taking probably half of what he could get on the market, and will very likely be his last big payday if he signs a multi-year deal.
 

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Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 3m3 minutes ago
Sources on @TheVertical: All-Star James Harden has agreed to a 4-year, $118M contract renegotiation that takes him through 2020 in Houston.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 3m3 minutes ago
Rockets just announced renegotiation at news conference in Houston. Sources say deal includes a 2019-'20 player option for Harden.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 1m1 minute ago
The deal allows Harden to get raises on his 2016-'17 and 2017-'18 contracts using Rockets cap space -- plus two additional year at max rate.

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojVerticalNBA 30s31 seconds ago
Sources: Over the next four years, Harden will now earn: $26.5M, $28.3M, $30.4M and a player option for $32.7M in 2019-'20.
 

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Oh well, I thought there was a slim chance Danny could pry him loose from Houston with some combination of players and picks. The silver lining is him remaining in Houston makes hating parts of his game that much easier.
 

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Not sure why we gave Harden such a huge raise for only one more guaranteed year. The team doesn't have the parts to win or compete. We needed to preserve some space for the next two years for a star if we want to compete.
 

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Seeing buzz that Heat plan to match Johnson. They've been signing UFAs today to line things up to fill their cap space and go over with the match.
 

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Perfect example of the RFA market keeping a player's cost down. Very good deal for Portand.
That's a steal for this kid. You are so correct on how the RFA tags limits or even eliminates his market. Teams simply can't afford to tie up a cap hold without any guarantee they get their guy.
 

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I like Meyers Leonard more in theory than in practice. From the eye test, he appears to be sort of a poor man's Kelly Olynyk, except that all the same metrics which say Olynyk is sneaky good on defense say Leonard either stinks, or really stinks.

He's also a strange fit as a 3rd center on that team, and I don't think he should be playing at the 4.
 

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I watch a lot of Blazers basketball. Leonard is a poor defender and his entire offensive skill set is stand around and hope to get an open shot. Athletic 7' center that can stretch the floor sounds so tantalizing so he'll always be employed but he has a long way to go before he's a productive rotation guy on a contender.
 

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I watch a lot of Blazers basketball. Leonard is a poor defender and his entire offensive skill set is stand around and hope to get an open shot. Athletic 7' center that can stretch the floor sounds so tantalizing so he'll always be employed but he has a long way to go before he's a productive rotation guy on a contender.
This is kind of what I mean by like him more in theory than in practice. I struggle to think of what I'd actually want to do with him on a court. I guess he's useful if you're playing against Utah, and there's a ton of value in drawing Gobert out to the perimeter a bit, but even then, I suspect he costs you more on defense than he gains you on offense.
 

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If you were Sullinger, what financial penalty would you accept to stay with the Celtics rather than go to the Nets? I'd think quite a bit.
 

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That's what she said.
If you were Sullinger, what financial penalty would you accept to stay with the Celtics rather than go to the Nets? I'd think quite a bit.
I think KD taught us all again that professional athletes don't think like we do.

Think of how much eaiser it will be for Sully to get 30 minutes a game and put up solid per game stats in Brooklyn than in Boston. Then he can look to get paid.

And in his case, it isn't at all like KD, he only has a few big pay days in his basketball life. He has to make them count.

If his agent lets him to take a discount and sign in Boston he should be fired and hire me instead.
 

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The Nets look absolutely garbage. Got to think they have every incentive to overpay Waiters and frankly anyone with a pulse who is still around.

It'll be interesting to see if the league steps in with them (clearly they won't). It truly does seem being absolutely incompetent is fine, deliberately exploiting a flawed system? Nope.