NBA 20/21 season thread

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Yep, sounds about right - although trading him for something of value makes much more sense than letting him walk! (Hmmm...where have I heard that sentiment recently in the Port Cellar?)
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He's interesting because pretty much every team can trade for his contract. He's one of my favorite non Celtics players but I have a feeling he's about to get drastically overpaid unless he significantly increases his volume from 3 without it hurting his efficiency much, or he plays better D. If the Hawks could get him at Jaylen money, they should. At the max? Ugh.

I wonder how much his suspension plays into it too. I'm not sure how PEDs impact basketball players. Also, his wingspan is kinda meh.
 
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I didn’t know where to put this, but it seems from the many links in this forum that TheAthletic does a lot of quality reporting.

They are running a $1 a month for 12 month special until Monday, an offer I couldn’t refuse
 
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Weiss' articles are probably worth that price of admission over the year; he does solid film stuff. A lot of the rest is just noise to fill up space on the road to the grave.
 
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Now that the Kings have signed Hassan Whiteside and Frank Kaminsky, to add to Marvin Bagley, Richaun Holmes, Jabari Parker and Nemanja Bjelica who are all 4s or 5s(Jabari can probably play some 3, but should be a 4), I wonder if Boston can pry Bjelica out of there.

Maybe Hayward to Charlotte, Bjelica to Boston and Rozier to Sacramento since they basically are way short on non-bigs, with Boston paying in picks.
 
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mcpickl said:
Now that the Kings have signed Hassan Whiteside and Frank Kaminsky, to add to Marvin Bagley, Richaun Holmes, Jabari Parker and Nemanja Bjelica who are all 4s or 5s(Jabari can probably play some 3, but should be a 4), I wonder if Boston can pry Bjelica out of there.

Maybe Hayward to Charlotte, Bjelica to Boston and Rozier to Sacramento since they basically are way short on non-bigs, with Boston paying in picks.
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Bjelica ($7.15MM) would be a good fit for Boston along with the remainder of the TPE for next offseason. A protected 1st and 2nd going to Sac would be the freight?

How does money work for Sac? Rozier @ $19MM

Moving Corey Joseph back to Charlotte?
 
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Bjelica ($7.15MM) would be a good fit for Boston along with the remainder of the TPE for next offseason. A protected 1st and 2nd going to Sac would be the freight?

How does money work for Sac? Rozier @ $19MM

Moving Corey Joseph back to Charlotte?
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Yes Charlotte would have to take back Joseph. I think they'd have just enough space to fit Hayward in for Bjelica. Might be trying to thread to fine a needle to have Sacramento consider Rozier enough of an upgrade to do it, and Charlotte maybe not willing to take Joseph.

Probably easier just for Boston to deal direct for Bjelica after getting TPE from Charlotte
 
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Yes Charlotte would have to take back Joseph. I think they'd have just enough space to fit Hayward in for Bjelica. Might be trying to thread to fine a needle to have Sacramento consider Rozier enough of an upgrade to do it, and Charlotte maybe not willing to take Joseph.

Probably easier just for Boston to deal direct for Bjelica after getting TPE from Charlotte
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I wonder if McNair hangs on to his players for the deadline given the expanded playoffs. Bjelica, if he is even available, will get a lot of interest given his bargain contract. He would fit well in Boston but also just about everywhere else.

If Boston adds him or someone similar, they will have had a good off-season.
 
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I could see the Kings maybe being interested in Rozier but they already have Hield, Fox and Haliburton. You'd think they would be looking for a wing more than another guard.

I'd think the Kings may prefer Langford over Rozier, even though Langford is a guard too.

I'd love Bjelica.


Re: Lou Williams, it would be 3 years too late.
 
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Kings sign Glenn Robinson III to a minimum contract. Surprising that that’s all it took, and that he chose Sactown over the Lakers, Clippers and Jazz, who were all reportedly interested, but if he wants PT, I suppose the Kings make the most sense.

I’ve always been a bit of a sucker for Nic Batum’s game in a vacuum, but I think that’s a potentially underrated signing for the Clips. Pretty funny that he’s going from nearly 30 million per to a minimum contract.
 
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GR3 did good by himself to get playing time, and the Clippers have had a really good off season - Batum is useful.
 
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Yeah the Celtics/Nets will be Kyrie dapping it up pregame with the guys, and then watching from the bench while the Celtics beat gimpy Durant by 15. The NBA really needed to think that out better—I’d way rather have Celtics/Sixers.
 
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Yeah the Celtics/Nets will be Kyrie dapping it up pregame with the guys, and then watching from the bench while the Celtics beat gimpy Durant by 15. The NBA really needed to think that out better—I’d way rather have Celtics/Sixers.
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The league I think has come to the conclusion that Embiid and Simmons don't transcend their market. Durant always has and he's going to be the play. They don't care as much if the actual games are good, they care if the draw is good for ratings.
 
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The league I think has come to the conclusion that Embiid and Simmons don't transcend their market. Durant always has and he's going to be the play. They don't care as much if the actual games are good, they care if the draw is good for ratings.
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Yeah, I think there is a going to be a lot of interest to see what Durant looks like. People kind of know what they're getting with Philly.
 
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Are there betting odds on the nba jumping their guys in front of the line to be vaccinated? And then subsequently a daniel house spilling the beans and causing a shitstorm?
 
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Are there betting odds on the nba jumping their guys in front of the line to be vaccinated? And then subsequently a daniel house spilling the beans and causing a shitstorm?
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Eh. In this case, it's not like the can do like they did with testing and provide the area with the equivalent number of vaccines.
 
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Eh. In this case, it's not like the can do like they did with testing and provide the area with the equivalent number of vaccines.
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I mean we're discussing what, 700-800 doses of the vaccine in order to improve the psychological wellbeing of millions of people feeling isolated by the pandemic? To be brutally frank I have no issues with them vaccinating NBA players, etc. in the first wave to help return a little normalcy to the world.
 
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I mean we're discussing what, 700-800 doses of the vaccine in order to improve the psychological wellbeing of millions of people feeling isolated by the pandemic? To be brutally frank I have no issues with them vaccinating NBA players, etc. in the first wave to help return a little normalcy to the world.
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I get that, but they'll be playing without it. They're not waiting on the vaccine to start the season.
 
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lovegtm said:
Weiss' articles are probably worth that price of admission over the year; he does solid film stuff. A lot of the rest is just noise to fill up space on the road to the grave.
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I like four other basketball-related things on The Athletic (as a casual Celtics fan):
1. The Anything is Poddable podcast is amusing most of the time
2. Shams Charania seems to have re-upped. He's a fun insider to read
3. Sam Amick can still bring it every once in a while
4. David Aldridge reminds me of my sweet sweet youth
 
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Batum signs with the Clips. Boston signing him to a min deal I think could have been a good strategic move, and a nice Karma move.
 
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Speaking of the Clippers, this Athletic article (link below) is a hell of a read. Does this part surprise anyone?

Marcus Morris Sr., whom the Clippers acquired at the February 2020 trade deadline, entered the locker room with the intent of asserting himself as a leader after pacing the New York Knicks in scoring. He quickly became one of the team’s louder voices.

While league sources say Morris had good intentions with teammates, and was trying to step into the clear leadership void that he had observed when he joined the team, Morris’ advice for his new teammates didn’t always go over well.

“You don’t want to be the guy that just shows up and starts telling people what to do,” one league source said.

Center Ivica Zubac and Morris had several heated arguments early in Morris’ tenure, according to league sources, with Zubac essentially saying, “Why are you telling me to change what I’m doing after I’ve been doing it successfully all season?”

https://theathletic.com/2222210/?source=twitterhq
 
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Speaking of the Clippers, this Athletic article (link below) is a hell of a read. Does this part surprise anyone?

Marcus Morris Sr., whom the Clippers acquired at the February 2020 trade deadline, entered the locker room with the intent of asserting himself as a leader after pacing the New York Knicks in scoring. He quickly became one of the team’s louder voices.

While league sources say Morris had good intentions with teammates, and was trying to step into the clear leadership void that he had observed when he joined the team, Morris’ advice for his new teammates didn’t always go over well.

“You don’t want to be the guy that just shows up and starts telling people what to do,” one league source said.

Center Ivica Zubac and Morris had several heated arguments early in Morris’ tenure, according to league sources, with Zubac essentially saying, “Why are you telling me to change what I’m doing after I’ve been doing it successfully all season?”

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MaMo is all sizzle, no steak.

He'll act like he is playing some on-ball defense but will NEVER rotate and help. If he does, he'll hack and then bark at whomever he thinks got beat. Clips are going to regret that contract
 
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Morris doesn't seem like the biggest issue:

Before every Clippers game last season, the team’s training staff would honor Kawhi Leonard’s request and create a private space for his pregame routine.

The staffers would enter and take over that space for roughly 20 to 45 minutes, according to multiple team and league sources. On the road, there were occasions when the space they occupied was the female staffers’ locker room. That also happened sometimes before a doubleheader at Staples Center when the changing of the court limited the availability of the Los Angeles Kings’ locker room, where Leonard normally warmed up privately.
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Teammates also believed that Leonard and George were able to pick and choose when they played. Not only did they sit out games entirely, but also at times they accepted or declined playing time in the moment.
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Leonard and George had power over the team’s practice and travel schedule, leading teammates to believe Leonard canceled multiple practices.

Leonard was allowed to live in San Diego and commute from there, which often made him late for team flights.
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That's a good article, although the Morris thing is barely a drop in the bucket. It seems relatively straightforward - Leonard/George are quiet guys who lead by example, and when lead by example guys get special treatment, it doesn't work. The special treatment thing also only works if the guys involved are incredibly accomplished. Kawhi can claim this status (multiple finals MVPs deserve it), but wtf has Paul George done lately? This was the first time in 6 years that he's gotten out of the first round.

*edit - if anything, the Morris story is a point in his favor. He got to a new team and recognized there was a leadership vacuum, and tried to do something about it. Not his fault there was nothing that could be done on his part, as a role player acquired mid-season. Also worth nothing that Morris had won more playoff series in just the previous year (1) than George had won in the previous 5 (0).
 
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None of the Kawhi stuff (or PG) is new to anyone who followed the team.

It's Harrell or Doc burning a bridge after they've left.
 
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*edit - if anything, the Morris story is a point in his favor. He got to a new team and recognized there was a leadership vacuum, and tried to do something about it. Not his fault there was nothing that could be done on his part, as a role player acquired mid-season. Also worth nothing that Morris had won more playoff series in just the previous year (1) than George had won in the previous 5 (0).
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And they brought him back.
 
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That's a good article, although the Morris thing is barely a drop in the bucket. It seems relatively straightforward - Leonard/George are quiet guys who lead by example, and when lead by example guys get special treatment, it doesn't work. The special treatment thing also only works if the guys involved are incredibly accomplished. Kawhi can claim this status (multiple finals MVPs deserve it), but wtf has Paul George done lately? This was the first time in 6 years that he's gotten out of the first round.

*edit - if anything, the Morris story is a point in his favor. He got to a new team and recognized there was a leadership vacuum, and tried to do something about it. Not his fault there was nothing that could be done on his part, as a role player acquired mid-season. Also worth nothing that Morris had won more playoff series in just the previous year (1) than George had won in the previous 5 (0).
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I'm not saying MaMo was the reason they lost to Denver. I'm just saying they will regret MaMo's contract going forward
 
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I.... kinda like that for WAS?

Westbrook is a lot better than Wall even when Wall is healthy. I'll have to wait on the protections on the pick
 
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Wizards did a great deal, here.

I can’t believe if only took a first rounder to get it done. I know Westbrook is declining and has fit/personality issues, but Wall. I mean, he’s done.
 
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