NBA Finals Game 6--Resiliency

bigq

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I will say that apart from the actual Celtics and their people, we here in the Bay Area are going to wear this loss harder than any other Cs fans.

Its Red Sox time and Stanley Cup Finals watching in Boston.

Meanwhile, we in SF+ are going to be subjected to lots of celebrating for the next few weeks, including people whose first NBA viewing experience all season was this series talking all sorts of crap. And all we can do is take it.
Hang in there. Care package coming your way and I hope you don’t mind stale cookies and wilted flowers. ;) It may be even worse for Celtics fans in LA with Lakers fans gleefully gloating about the most NBA championships despite having a craptastic performance this past season with a team that didn’t even make the playoffs.
 

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Some of the turnover problem is decision making, I definitely think both Tatum and Brown (and the rest of the team) can improve on the passes to nowhere. Agree on the live dribble turnovers though, I don't think Tatum or Brown will ever be an above average ball handler.
I mostly agree but Tatum just had his heart ripped out by Wiggins. All playoffs a lot of hard working defenders were way too comfortable getting in to him and he just doesn’t seem to have a great way to get himself free. He’s a really hard working guy and maybe he can focus on that Durant elbow jumper or something but he really needs to find a shot he can reliably create and make if he’s gonna be the guy who stops the bleeding. This team suffered all year from long stretches of awful offensive basketball even on their hot run. They need a lot less variance out of Tatum and Brown. It’s no shame to. It be as good as Curry still is but that guy had every defensive situation thrown at him too and he dribbled through us, passed it at times, and aside from one game shot lights out with high difficulty.
 

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Hang in there. Care package coming your way and I hope you don’t mind stale cookies and wilted flowers. ;) It may be even worse for Celtics fans in LA with Lakers fans gleefully gloating about the most NBA championships despite having a craptastic performance this past season with a team that didn’t even make the playoffs.
No tears here. I love any kind of cookies and flowers.

The worst part are all the corporate guests who are suddenly NBA experts and the casual fans who don't actually watch the games but talk all the crap. Sometimes it feels like these are the Warriors fans but since I have diehards as family and friends, I know its not the case. Not one text from them tonight so at least I chose my people well. They get how much this hurts.
 

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Whomever mentioned Lillard, no way. I am done with undersized guards over 30 coming off an injury then being the super exploitable weak link in our defense. I would take Smart's defense over anything Lillard would give you on offense. Same.thing with Mitchell. He is under 30, but the next time he plays any defense will be the 1st time.
 

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It isn’t that hard, it doesn’t. He is a great defender, but he isn’’t the greatest defender of all time and this team needs an offensive overhaul that won’t happen with Smart being the one facilitating the offense.
I think the main problem is that his shot isn't good enough for other teams not to drop off of him on the 3 point line. If you replace him with a better (veteran, more consistent) shooter it changes the entire offense. I have also been beating the drum that he calls his own number as a PG in high leverage possessions too often. That's anecdotal but I'd bet the stats would bear it out. He gets left open and chooses to shoot while other shooters are doubled.

When he backs down his player and plays under control he's great.. but as with a lot of things with this team.. he's just not consistent enough for me.
 

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No tears here. I love any kind of cookies and flowers.

The worst part are all the corporate guests who are suddenly NBA experts and the casual fans who don't actually watch the games but talk all the crap. Sometimes it feels like these are the Warriors fans but since I have diehards as family and friends, I know its not the case. Not one text from them tonight so at least I chose my people well. They get how much this hurts.
You may want to move. Dubs just won another title despite getting jack shit from Wiseman and Kuminga. If those guys start developing quickly…goodnight.
 

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I mostly agree but Tatum just had his heart ripped out by Wiggins. All playoffs a lot of hard working defenders were way too comfortable getting in to him and he just doesn’t seem to have a great way to get himself free. He’s a really hard working guy and maybe he can focus on that Durant elbow jumper or something but he really needs to find a shot he can reliably create and make if he’s gonna be the guy who stops the bleeding. This team suffered all year from long stretches of awful offensive basketball even on their hot run. They need a lot less variance out of Tatum and Brown. It’s no shame to. It be as good as Curry still is but that guy had every defensive situation thrown at him too and he dribbled through us, passed it at times, and aside from one game shot lights out with high difficulty.
Is there any way to see how many times Wiggins had help on D? How many times Tatum was doubled? Wiggins def played some great D, but it feels like he had a lot of help too. With that said Curry created a lot more of his own shots.. but then again there was rarely help D in the lane because GS's bench and other shooters shot a helluva lot better than the C's bench did... so the C's couldn't cheat down as much on D.
 

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I mean, I would say he probably cares. He is a pretty petty guy if you follow any of his social media posts. This is not a good look for him.
Yeah, he’s basically an anecdote in the “Steph Curry is Amazing” story. Durant might get a single chapter if this were a book.
 

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I mean, I would say he probably cares. He is a pretty petty guy if you follow any of his social media posts. This is not a good look for him.
He 100% cares. Anyone that thinks he doesn’t hasn’t paid any attention to Durant or his social media practices
 

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I kind of get your overall point but you’re missing some pretty important context here. That Pistons team was incredibly old and veteran laden. It was basically a collection of guys where it was clear that they had a 1-2 year window. And, as you know, this Celtics team is pretty much the opposite of that

they may share some of the same DNA but I think it ends at both being team oriented and great at defense.
Huh? That teams 5 starters were 27 25 23 29 and 29 and their 6th man was 24. They also made at least the ECF 6 years in a row.
 

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Upgrade the bench so the staters can rest a little more during the season. I don't know how Beal would fit, but he should be the prime target, especially given his relationship with Tatum.
 

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DeJesus Built My Hotrod, I feel.your pain. I was working in DTLA during the Lakers title celebration in 2010.

Anyway, the Celtics were 2 games from a title because of their historically good defense. They are not getting past the Bucks if they downgrade the defense with a Mitchell, Lillard, or Beal.

Easier said than done but they need to improve the bench. Stevens can't let Ime pull a Thibs with these minutes for Tatum and Brown.
 

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They have finals cred now and minutes to go around. They can hunt for one medium-sized to big fish with the trade exceptions and contracts and go the cheap vet route for the bench.

I have absolutely no idea of the landscape of external talent right now though as my focus has been on this team. If there is another White-type trade out there but an offensive version, that would be great. POBOBS is good at this, I feel pretty good about starting next season with a stronger team on paper pending health.
 

bigq

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No tears here. I love any kind of cookies and flowers.

The worst part are all the corporate guests who are suddenly NBA experts and the casual fans who don't actually watch the games but talk all the crap. Sometimes it feels like these are the Warriors fans but since I have diehards as family and friends, I know its not the case. Not one text from them tonight so at least I chose my people well. They get how much this hurts.
Not the ending we hoped for however a lot of great moments along the way and a lot of positives to build on next season. And summer league is not that far away.
 

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Tough crowd in here, yeesh. Celts top 8 are all 27 or younger except for Al. They need a ball-handler to backup / complement Marcus and take the load off of the Jays. They could use another reliable shooter and an active Big. They are in really great shape the next 5-7 years, arguably better than any team in the NBA. People should enjoy the season they just had — taking out the Nets / Bucks / Heat and going 6 against the Dubs with 24/25 year old leaders and a brand new NBA Coach is a heckuva run.

Onward.
 

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Tough crowd in here, yeesh. Celts top 8 are all 27 or younger except for Al. They need a ball-handler to backup / complement Marcus and take the load off of the Jays. They could use another reliable shooter and an active Big. They are in really great shape the next 5-7 years, arguably better than any team in the NBA. People should enjoy the season they just had — taking out the Nets / Bucks / Heat and going 6 against the Dubs with 24/25 year old leaders and a brand new NBA Coach is a heckuva run.

Onward.
The morning after and what you posted is pretty much exactly where I am. I’m old enough that I vividly remember watching Paul Pierce grow up and I feel lucky to now get to watch the same with JB and JT. And I’m confident that Stevens and Udoka are the exact right guys for their respective roles with this club.

Onward indeed. And I retract my earlier post about getting Mitchell - that was the end of game tequila shot throwing a tantrum .