NBA Finals Game 6--Resiliency

NavaHo

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To see how far this team got, how they played in two game 7s, and to conclude that this didn't work...some of you will never ever be happy.
 

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Game 4 is Exhibit A in why you have to win the games when you have the chance. They let GS back into the series and then lost two more in a row. Those 5 minutes when they couldn't hit the ocean arguably cost them a title
yeah, I truly believe there’s a version of this series where refs don’t hand GS game 2 (at least, where they are down 25 in second quarter and we see what they do from there—rather than refball to keep it close) and Celts execute in one of game 4 or 5 and win it all.

but in this version of series Celtics were swimming heavily upstream after game three and didn’t play well enough, or smart enough, to get it done.
 

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Please, go look at Beal's efficiency numbers. He puts up points because his team is awful and he shoots a billion times a game.
Maybe his efficiency numbers aren't great because his team is awful and he has to shoot a billion times a game?
 

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Almost stole a title a year early.

POBOBS isn’t a dummy he’s not going to reinvent the wheel because they fell a few quarters short. The holes are clear but very fillable. Lots of options.

Not saying they will be back but they are in as good a position as any team. If they are healthy they will be a wagon in the regular season next year, hopefully with a few more horses in the stable that can share the load.

The math is how much can you pull from the defense to improve the offense and caretaking without hurting the overall structure of the team? They were also a dominant offense down the stretch and had stretches of dominance in the playoffs that mostly weren’t sustained because of turnovers and decision making rather than a lack of talent.

They marginalized Al until tonight, that was dumb. They didn’t attempt to get mismatches down low until tonight. Dumb. They kept dribbling into double and triple teams instead of taking what the defense gave. I think they need another scorer/shooter but upheaval would be a mistake. The pieces are there.
 

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Come on man. His shoulder didn’t make him travel.
What he's saying is it could have made him hesitate to take the three in that position... or to drive. And because of that hesitation he took a step.
 

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Hurts to be 6 minutes from going up 3 games to 1 and end up losing in 6, but quite frankly I was happy with the season as soon as the eliminated the Nets. Plus I'm pretty sure that if Middleton doesn't blow out his knee they lose to the Bucks in 5 or 6 and we're talking about how great they played in the second half of the season and how they're poised to build on it next year.

Brad has his work cut out for him to find the missing piece for this roster but he has a lot of tools at his disposal to get it. Ime's job is pretty simple at least, figure out how to get these guys to cut down on the turnovers and find some easier shots for Tatum and Brown in the halfcourt.
Agree that the Bucks with Middleton probably take us out and that may have felt less negative in a weird way.

I don’t think the turnover problem is solvable. Tatum and Brown are our two primary scorers and they’re both really prone to showing too much of the ball in traffic and have relatively loose handles. Absent some major change to the offense with a PG who distributes them into shots those guys are going to be dribbling around picks no matter what we do
 

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Team looked super gassed except for Al and the bench was garbage. Steph can make some crazy shots, we knew this.

Brown showed a lot of heart and quite a few turnovers. Tatum looked bad this game. There are probably reasons but the performance is the performance.

What an incredible run going through Durant, Mr Chemistry, Giannis and Heat Culture. Just came up a little bit short. Game 4 is the heartbreaker game that turned the series.
 

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What he's saying is it could have made him hesitate to take the three in that position... or to drive. And because of that hesitation he took a step.
Right. This isn't hard. Secondary effects.

And I'm not saying that I know the reason for him doing that. I'm just saying that we're not seeing the same Tatum...for some reason.
 

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Retool in the offseason, bring in an offensive coordinator for Ime, hope Rob's knee gets better and hope Al doesn't fall off a cliff. Trade White if you can for some offense. Get one real point guard. Maybe you can make it back.
Plenty of ring chasers out there for Brad to pursue. Just a few more pieces.
 

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I’m trying to do the math and remember what I was doing when I was 24. I think I might have been waiting tables.
Yeah, that sounded shittier than I meant. Winning championships is hard. Tatum is a great player, yet may still never win a ring. That’s just kinda how these things go and isn’t necessarily an indictment of Tatum.
 

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Yah, he has to leave the cavs and build a super team to finally win and came back. If Tatum or brown leave, they aren’t coming back
The second best player on LeBron’s early Cavs teams would be something like the 6th or 7th best player on this Celtics team.

The better downside comp is KD/Harden/Westbrook/Ibaka Thunder that looked primed for future titles and never came close again. We’ll see. I trust POBOBS.
 

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Yeah I think it is myopic to come to any conclusions about this group. They started playing well in JANUARY, and the core of this Warriors team has been through wars together for 10 years and running. The Warriors also know what a run to the Finals takes as far as pacing and energy, while Time Lord for one has probably played twice the minutes of any year of his pro career this season.
 

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Tatum had Curry on him one on one numerous times in the second half and dribbled a few steps then picked the ball up.
 

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Hey guys, certainly some of the.most fun game theeading I've had here is Sosh in awhile. Next year they will being it from game 1, lovk.up home court throughout the playoffs, and bring number 18 home next year.

Chins up. The Celtics are going to be a pain in the ass for the rest of the NBA for a few years running.
 

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yeah, I truly believe there’s a version of this series where refs don’t hand GS game 2 (at least, where they are down 25 in second quarter and we see what they do from there—rather than refball to keep it close) and Celts execute in one of game 4 or 5 and win it all.

but in this version of series Celtics were swimming heavily upstream after game three and didn’t play well enough, or smart enough, to get it done.
There's also a version where the Warriors don't melt down in one of games 1 or 3 in the 4th and win it in 5. Both teams could have won the series in 5 easily.
 

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Yeah I think it is myopic to come to any conclusions about this group. They started playing well in JANUARY, and the core of this Warriors team has been through wars together for 10 years and running. The Warriors also know what a run to the Finals takes as far as pacing and energy, while Time Lord for one has probably played twice the minutes of any year of his pro career this season.
The core of this Warriors team was saved by Wiggins and Looney. Experience played a part but it’s reductionist to chalk it up to past champions.
 

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Interview from Curry is telling more on us than I think than his team going forward: Never know when you’ll get back here.

I get a bad feeling they won’t be for sometime, but they will be eventually, the core is too good and young. But in the short game: Milwaukee is that excellent with Middleton back. Al isn’t getting younger.

Man this day sucks. My late father’s birthday too. Shame. That’s sports, that’s life.

Never stop just because you have been defeated. The journey to the other side is attainable only after great suffering.
 

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Tatum sucked this series.

He’s also 24, was nursing a shoulder, and had played an insane amount of basketball with effectively no break.

The discourse around him on here is so far in either direction it’s kind of maddening. (he’s a loser! He has no heart! Not an alpha!) (His shoulder might not be in tact! He obviously has a torn labrum! His shoulder is so bad that any sort of basketball productivity is a miracle!)

If I were starting a team tomorrow he might still be my 1st pick. His future is bright as shit. He was awful this series but when they get back he will be a lot better
 

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Yeah I think it is myopic to come to any conclusions about this group. They started playing well in JANUARY, and the core of this Warriors team has been through wars together for 10 years and running. The Warriors also know what a run to the Finals takes as far as pacing and energy, while Time Lord for one has probably played twice the minutes of any year of his pro career this season.
The core of this team has played together for a long time now and had multiple deep playoff runs that have fallen short. I think it's perfectly fine to wonder if some tweaks are needed in order for them to break through
 

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Almost stole a title a year early.

POBOBS isn’t a dummy he’s not going to reinvent the wheel because they fell a few quarters short. The holes are clear but very fillable. Lots of options.

Not saying they will be back but they are in as good a position as any team. If they are healthy they will be a wagon in the regular season next year, hopefully with a few more horses in the stable that can share the load.

The math is how much can you pull from the defense to improve the offense and caretaking without hurting the overall structure of the team? They were also a dominant offense down the stretch and had stretches of dominance in the playoffs that mostly weren’t sustained because of turnovers and decision making rather than a lack of talent.

They marginalized Al until tonight, that was dumb. They didn’t attempt to get mismatches down low until tonight. Dumb. They kept dribbling into double and triple teams instead of taking what the defense gave. I think they need another scorer/shooter but upheaval would be a mistake. The pieces are there.
Yep.

There will be a lot of unrealistic or dumb trade ideas thrown around the next 4-6 weeks, but, unless someone is gonna trade a very good two way PG for Smart the practical task will be to add to the bench.
 

Jed Zeppelin

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You fix it by trading Smart. I’ll be beating that drum for months. This team needs a floor general.
I’ve been vocal about needing to generally maintain the defensive integrity of the roster but it did feel throughout this series that they’d have been better with just one of Smart/White replacing the other with a more offense-oriented guy (who ideally can at least hold his own on D).

I don’t want to draw conclusions from one game but Smart made so many mistakes and weird plays/decisions on defense tonight that hurt a ton. I don’t know who the targets are though.
 

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Overall, this was a successful playoffs. The JT/JB/Smart triplet finally got over the ECF hump. Some of the all-time NBA greats took a few shots before they reached the promised land. Hopefully, this is a sign of things to come.
 

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Right. This isn't hard. Secondary effects.

And I'm not saying that I know the reason for him doing that. I'm just saying that we're not seeing the same Tatum...for some reason.
I get your point. I just think that’s a massive leap to make in order to bail someone out.
 

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Agree that the Bucks with Middleton probably take us out and that may have felt less negative in a weird way.

I don’t think the turnover problem is solvable. Tatum and Brown are our two primary scorers and they’re both really prone to showing too much of the ball in traffic and have relatively loose handles. Absent some major change to the offense with a PG who distributes them into shots those guys are going to be dribbling around picks no matter what we do
Some of the turnover problem is decision making, I definitely think both Tatum and Brown (and the rest of the team) can improve on the passes to nowhere. Agree on the live dribble turnovers though, I don't think Tatum or Brown will ever be an above average ball handler.