NBA Cup 2024 discussion & gamethread: It's On. We'll Watch.

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- how’s a person who’s not on message boards, not listening to podcasts, not a nightly viewer supposed to get invested in the exercise when sub .500 teams are leading their “groups” and the best teams are knocked out?
I dunno, maybe listen to your team's broadcasters for 5 seconds before, after, and/or during the game? Because they're mentioning the qualifying scenarios constantly once you're into the 3rd and 4th games of group play.

As for getting invested, it makes those games take on more meaning. Every basketball fan should be invested in proportion to how seriously the teams are taking the game, which is why we are more invested in the playoffs than we are the regular season, and for that more than preseason. So we've upgraded the seriousness of 4-7 games during November and December.

And the downsides are... none?
 
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For the QF and the SF, you play (in-conference) opponents who you would have played at some point in the regular season, and your Cup game replaced a future game you would have had against them. Those dates are TBD for everyone, and they fill in the last two games as the format dictates. So you don't have additional games against good or bad teams, just the dates of your matchups change.
Ok, that’s slightly different than I thought, but still the same outcome. Thank you for the explanation.
 

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I dunno, maybe listen to your team's broadcasters for 5 seconds before, after, and/or during the game? Because they're mentioning the qualifying scenarios constantly once you're into the 3rd and 4th games of group play.

As for getting invested, it makes those games take on more meaning. Every basketball fan should be invested in proportion to how seriously the teams are taking the game, which is why we are more invested in the playoffs than we are the regular season, and for that more than preseason. So we've upgraded the seriousness of 4-7 games during November and December.

And the downsides are... none?
Do you ever talk to normal people who aren’t super into basketball? Do you ever interact with someone who’s just casually watching? Have you ever tried to explain to your wife why the court looks stupid, what the Cup is, and why the Celtics, who are winning over 80% of their games, might not even make it to the next stage of… whatever this is.

There is a huge downside. This is announcing to the fans that, yes, you thought right - our players could not give a shit about the regular season. $240 million contracts are not enough to make them want to play hard for you (or at all), so we have to create this contrived tournament to generate some kind of competitive juice. And we’ll try to scrape every dollar we can out of it! Have fun flying to Vegas for your team’s championship game, normal fan. And fuck you if you have a ticket for a game in March because our players will care even less then.

It’s the perfect example of the NBAs total commitment to hardcore, super online fans like you and forgetting that there’s a whole swath of people who have other interests and only kinda want to watch occasionally. You can tell that by the continued ratings decline. Of course, the NBA media and social echo chamber repeats mantras like “there’s no downside to the NBA cup!”, but that smells like bullshit to me. It devalues the other 75 games and league’s brand as a whole.
 

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Do you ever talk to normal people who aren’t super into basketball? Do you ever interact with someone who’s just casually watching? Have you ever tried to explain to your wife why the court looks stupid, what the Cup is, and why the Celtics, who are winning over 80% of their games, might not even make it to the next stage of… whatever this is.

There is a huge downside. This is announcing to the fans that, yes, you thought right - our players could not give a shit about the regular season. $240 million contracts are not enough to make them want to play hard for you (or at all), so we have to create this contrived tournament to generate some kind of competitive juice. And we’ll try to scrape every dollar we can out of it! Have fun flying to Vegas for your team’s championship game, normal fan. And fuck you if you have a ticket for a game in March because our players will care even less then.

It’s the perfect example of the NBAs total commitment to hardcore, super online fans like you and forgetting that there’s a whole swath of people who have other interests and only kinda want to watch occasionally. You can tell that by the continued ratings decline. Of course, the NBA media and social echo chamber repeats mantras like “there’s no downside to the NBA cup!”, but that smells like bullshit to me. It devalues the other 75 games and league’s brand as a whole.
You’re trying really, really hard to find problem with something that not only is costing the league nothing, but they will end up making billions on, while providing more fun for fans casual or intense - which is the entire point of professional sports entertainment. It’s also really easy for kids to grasp (“our team advanced to the cup!!”). It’s so much more fun to assume positive intent and look for the beauty in things then try to rip apart innovation, particularly risk-less high reward ideas.

If the NBA cup, and “explaining to your wife why the court is so stupid” causes you this much anger perhaps it’s time to find a less stressful hobby? Afterall the point of sports is to be a distraction for real life problems. The second the hobby becomes a negative you drop it and find another.
 

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I am of the mind that the league did the NBA Cup because it gives hardcore fans and the players something to focus on in a part of the calendar where they typically struggle for attention given that its football season.

And I defer to our gamblers here but my guess would be that it they are hoping it increases wagering interest in NBA games in November too.

Maybe the courts and the qualification criteria are a turn-off to casual fans but they weren't likely watching November NBA anyway.
 

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You’re trying really, really hard to find problem with something that not only is costing the league nothing, but they will end up making billions on, while providing more fun for fans casual or intense - which is the entire point of professional sports entertainment. It’s also really easy for kids to grasp (“our team advanced to the cup!!”). It’s so much more fun to assume positive intent and look for the beauty in things then try to rip apart innovation, particularly risk-less high reward ideas.
“costing the league nothing” is taking on a lot of assumptions.

I listen to basketball podcasts. I read this forum. I watch a good amount of games when I can. I am, conservatively, in the top 5-10% of NBA fans when it comes to love of the game, maybe even higher, and even I find this annoying and manipulative. I’m not going to apologize for stepping out of my super fan bubble and recognizing that this highlights the general disinterest that the league has for fans.

“Rip apart innovation” - sorry, what is the league innovating here? Shitty uniforms? Bad court design? A poorly conceived tournament with no stakes? This isn’t Netflix mailing out DVDs. It’s a league that’s seemingly bereft of ideas and self-reflection trying whatever it can to stay relevant. Innovation would be designing a season schedule with no back to backs, a salary structure that doesn’t cause rosters to overturn massively every year, creating a regular season that has higher stakes than unimportant playoff seeding, etc. This is more like a bad Hollywood remake than innovation.
 

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, but let’s have a second tournament with four games to get into a knockout tournament and point differential tiebreakers and then claim it is somehow important.

This is more like the Ft Myers Mayor’s Cup then an actual championship.
Whoever said that the NBA Cup was in any way important? It’s not important; it’s just a little bit more fun than a regular season November game.

Look, players are human and if $500K makes guys play with a bit more intensity, well that’s human nature. Just like $5 brts on a golf course.

And the average fan - if she or he doesn’t want to follow it, they can ignore and it won’t make them any worse off.

I think it’s harmless and will attract a modicum more interest.
 

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It's really not that hard to follow point differential and head-to-head matchups. I think the "have to win by at least 24" or whatever to be pretty entertaining, personally. Completely changes the end-game dynamics.
Agreed.

Major European Football tournaments are decided by something as arbitrary as "away goals".

The NBA has done a good job with the tiebreaker system. I found CJM calling time out & Hauser draining a 3 mildly comical. Running up the score/hacking Drummond vs. the Bulls was an entertaining element of a November game that will always be remembered.
 

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Yeah, I’m not really a fan of worrying about the point differential. A win is a win, but not with this. If one team is trying to win by 20 then they are playing for something the other team doesn’t care about. Maybe for people who bet on point spreads it’s more familiar.
 

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....Maybe for people who bet on point spreads it’s more familiar.
So.....all of America?

(It's a good point though: I don't bet, so I always forget what a large % of the viewing population is extremely attuned to point differential already.)
 

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I criticize, but I watch, and obviously I am hoping Orlando wins and the Bucks lose by 10 so the Celtics can get in and face the Pistons. Or something. I think.
 

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@ManicCompression you seem unhappy. I sincerely hope life is good and that you find the parts of it that you enjoy.
Man, I like you as a poster, but this is so condescending. My mistake for having a contrary opinion on the Emirates Cup. God forbid I disagree with the business and marketing decisions of a sports league.
 

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So.....all of America?

(It's a good point though: I don't bet, so I always forget what a large % of the viewing population is extremely attuned to point differential already.)
Not even close. I also consider myself to be in the top 5-10% of NBA fandom due to the fact that I actually follow this forum and I listen to 2-3 podcasts on a regular basis. I only vaguely understand (and ignore) point spreads. That is for gamblers which is not the same thing as fans.
 

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Majority of the qualifying field seems like a stretch.

Right now it's looking like Rockets, Suns, Warriors, Thunder/Mavs/Blazers/Spurs and Knicks/Magic, Bucks/Pistons, Hawks/Celtics — who are the best teams that aren't going to get a crack at Vegas? Maybe the Nuggets (who we're learning aren't that great this year) and definitely the Cavs. If the Cavs and Cs both miss out, you'd still be left with Knicks, Magic, Bucks/Pistons, Hawks, which is most of the rest of the interesting teams in the East.

I find the "impossible to follow" criticism baffling. It's really not that hard to follow point differential and head-to-head matchups. I think the "have to win by at least 24" or whatever to be pretty entertaining, personally. Completely changes the end-game dynamics.
Fair enough. Maybe not the majority. But the design is resulting in flukey outcomes that could probably be avoided through a better design, and having the better teams get through qualifying would result in some better games in the final rounds, which ultimately will achieve the goal of fan and player interest. I get they modelled this on soccer and it works generally in that context. Maybe it needs some adjustments to a different sport where point differential operates in a different way. I actually prefer a kind of challenge cup approach. The team that starts off hot or is ascending (Cavs, Magic, Rockets etc) gets to challenge the previous years champion or elite teams to see if they've actually made the leap. So throw the top four from last year and the other best four from the first 20 games of this year into a kind of bracket. Sure the scheduling gets hard but can probably be figured out. The best game this year was probably Cavs-Cs. If they are going to manufacture excitement I'd rather something like that that was linked to the actual championship. Let's not act like it only has to be the way it's been rolled out the last two years.
 

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I guess we could see a point system/tie-breaker change if teams started giving up end-of-game baskets, in order to manipulate weaker teams' qualifying.

For example, BUCKs up 8 on Detroit. Less than 24 seconds left. Giannis decides to toss an inbounds pass to Beasley under the hoop. Both qualify. Celtics eliminated.

There is an argument to be made that it would be smart for Doc to instruct his team to do so.

That would suck for the Celtics, but imagine most other NBA teams/fans wouldn't mind seeing Boston eliminated & would counter with "the Celtics should have won by more points"
 

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Fair enough. Maybe not the majority. But the design is resulting in flukey outcomes that could probably be avoided through a better design, and having the better teams get through qualifying would result in some better games in the final rounds, which ultimately will achieve the goal of fan and player interest. I get they modelled this on soccer and it works generally in that context. Maybe it needs some adjustments to a different sport where point differential operates in a different way. I actually prefer a kind of challenge cup approach. The team that starts off hot or is ascending (Cavs, Magic, Rockets etc) gets to challenge the previous years champion or elite teams to see if they've actually made the leap. So throw the top four from last year and the other best four from the first 20 games of this year into a kind of bracket. Sure the scheduling gets hard but can probably be figured out. The best game this year was probably Cavs-Cs. If they are going to manufacture excitement I'd rather something like that that was linked to the actual championship. Let's not act like it only has to be the way it's been rolled out the last two years.
I mean.. the league can’t prevent the two best teams from losing at home to the Hawks.
 

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I largely do not care about the In-Season Tournament. I have watched exactly zero minutes of additional basketball because of it. But I recognize that it is a long season and anything to make November/December basketball more interesting can only be a good thing.

I took my wife and a friend that has never been to a basketball game before to the IST game in DC and it was not hard to explain why the court looked funny that night, or that it was part of a larger tournament and whether the Celtics advanced was largely due to randomness. My friend is a baseball fan so he's very familiar with one-game playoffs where you might as well just flip a coin.

My wife saw the court for the Bulls game the other night and asked me if the Celtics were going to qualify only if Venus was in retrograde, so I'm pretty sure she understands.

This is my long way of saying that I don't see anything to get upset about, or frankly even annoyed at.
 

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The NBA cup itself doesn’t make me mad, what makes me annoyed are the people who act like you’re out of your mind if you view it with a critical eye…
There is a critical eye, then there is whatever your take is. There are plenty of people who disagree with the business and marketing decisions as you do, but you have taken it to an 11
 

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I've rooted for the Celts for a long time and want them to win every game they play, but I understand some games have greater importance than others.
I want the Celts to win the highly coveted and historic NBA Cup, a grueling achievement long held in the highest regard by the true hoops cognoscenti. However, the event has not quite taken its place alongside other great fabricated made for TV/tourism/$$$ events such as the Cheezit-Citrus Bowl, and 90% of its cousin bowl games, the NFL in London, or the Maui International. I just really don't give a fuck about winning the NBA's 2 weeks of Pre Holiday Hoop Hype.

But if I got this right, the Celts are in if Chaminade wins by 6 or more?

Emirate?
 

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Man, I like you as a poster, but this is so condescending. My mistake for having a contrary opinion on the Emirates Cup. God forbid I disagree with the business and marketing decisions of a sports league.
I get your contrary position, but my point was that there seems to be a lot else wrapped up in it, mostly issues with the league in general that are not going to get changed anytime soon. If your list of issues with the NBA bothers you that much, you are probably not going to enjoy the NBA. (Unless maybe you just tune in for the playoffs.)

I too dislike the 82 game season (which most of your complaints are downstream from), but it's not going anywhere.
 

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I like the IST or NBA cup or whatever in theory. As a above casual, less than hardcore fan I do think it adds some juice. The issue I have is in the format. I don't like the point differential tie breaker for reasons others have mentioned; I am not enough of a fan to hope Orlando beats the Knicks by 20, or the Bulls lose by 30 or whatever. Tracking those scenarios is less fun. I also think something is wonky about a tournament format where one loss to the hawks in group play more or less put the celtics at the mercy of other teams despite winning all their other games. Maybe that drives interest for hardcore fans and might even be equitable, but to me it's like watching the 11-5 Patriots miss the playoffs.
ETA: I thought that was the derek anderson season but it wasn't.
 
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I get your contrary position, but my point was that there seems to be a lot else wrapped up in it, mostly issues with the league in general that are not going to get changed anytime soon. If your list of issues with the NBA bothers you that much, you are probably not going to enjoy the NBA. (Unless maybe you just tune in for the playoffs.)

I too dislike the 82 game season (which most of your complaints are downstream from), but it's not going anywhere.
There are tens of thousands of posts in this forum disagreeing on NBA team decisions like trades and draft picks, calling GMs morons and coaches idiots etc. But if you disagree about the decisions of the league itself, you must be an unhappy person? Okay, that’s a reasonable take.

I love the game and the league, which is why it sucks to see it lose cultural relevance. I want the thing I enjoy to continue to be popular and while the Cup might squeeze more money out of its biggest fans, I don’t think it’ll move the needle in terms of growing the fan base. I might be proven wrong in time, but that’s my opinion as of now.

If a restaurant I love starts taking 45 minutes to get all their dishes out, I don’t want them to add more shit to the menu, I want them to get food out in a reasonable amount of time. Holding that opinion is not a character flaw.
 

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I like the IST or NBA cup or whatever in theory. As a above casual, less than hardcore fan I do think it adds some juice. The issue I have is in the format. I don't like the point differential tie breaker for reasons others have mentioned; I am not enough of a fan to hope Orlando beats the Knicks by 20, or the Bulls lose by 30 or whatever. Tracking those scenarios is less fun. I also think something is wonky about a tournament format where one loss to the hawks in group play more or less put the celtics at the mercy of other teams despite winning all their other games. Maybe that drives interest for hardcore fans and might even be equitable, but to me it's like watching the 11-5 Patriots miss the playoffs.
ETA: I thought that was the derek anderson season but it wasn't.
The only solution here would be to add more teams to the elimination round. So then instead of 8 teams getting there, you go to 12, or 16... at which point, what's the point of group play?
 

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The only solution here would be to add more teams to the elimination round. So then instead of 8 teams getting there, you go to 12, or 16... at which point, what's the point of group play?
I wouldn't be against adding more teams to the elimination round. Even adding just two teams (an extra wild card in each league, the two wild card teams in each conference would play each other in an elimination game before moving on to the final 8) would make it less likely that teams that go 3-1 miss out, and would still give the group winners a real advantage.
 

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The randomness of basketball is irreducible.

Every "solution" for the IST's randomness will just converge on reinventing the playoffs.
 

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There are tens of thousands of posts in this forum disagreeing on NBA team decisions like trades and draft picks, calling GMs morons and coaches idiots etc. But if you disagree about the decisions of the league itself, you must be an unhappy person? Okay, that’s a reasonable take.

I love the game and the league, which is why it sucks to see it lose cultural relevance. I want the thing I enjoy to continue to be popular and while the Cup might squeeze more money out of its biggest fans, I don’t think it’ll move the needle in terms of growing the fan base. I might be proven wrong in time, but that’s my opinion as of now.

If a restaurant I love starts taking 45 minutes to get all their dishes out, I don’t want them to add more shit to the menu, I want them to get food out in a reasonable amount of time. Holding that opinion is not a character flaw.
Your opinion is your opinion which is fine. Let me ask you thing then. It’s a big cash-grab by Silver and that is his job as he works for the owners in finding new and creative ways to generate revenue. I’ve always said that whatever Emirates Cup looks like in the future won’t resemble what it is now as we are in the embryo period of throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks…..and being paid handsomely for doing do. Now, you don’t like it which is fine…..so rather than complaining about the product or the format, what would you suggest as an alternative?
 

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If a restaurant I love starts taking 45 minutes to get all their dishes out, I don’t want them to add more shit to the menu, I want them to get food out in a reasonable amount of time. Holding that opinion is not a character flaw.
How does this relate to the NBA cup in any way? What is the 45 minutes to get dishes out? What food is added to the menu? What? What food isn’t coming out due to the NBA cup? It’s literally creating more revenue for the “restaurant”. The “restaurant” is offering more services to you, free of charge and you’re complaining about how risky it is and losing its “cultural relevance”. People are confused.
 

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I don't like the courts, but the rest of it seems perfectly fine to me. The "casual fans" were never going to engage with it the way they do football because there's no real "fantasy" league that does things quite the way football inspires a lot of watching.

It's a case there's so many things to watch that one basketball game doesn't mean all that much for casuals, so why not try driving the hardcore fans in?
 

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The players and teams obviously care which is just about the best thing we can hope for as fans. Teams and players caring about a random mid week game against an inferior opponent.
 

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I wouldn't be against adding more teams to the elimination round. Even adding just two teams (an extra wild card in each league, the two wild card teams in each conference would play each other in an elimination game before moving on to the final 8) would make it less likely that teams that go 3-1 miss out, and would still give the group winners a real advantage.
I like the idea in theory, but some teams could end up playing 84 regular season games. Hard pass. All the group play games have to be part of the regular season.

So why can't the tiebreaker be as simple as: 1. Head to Head. 2. Regular Season Winning Percentage as of the end of group play.
 

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The only solution here would be to add more teams to the elimination round. So then instead of 8 teams getting there, you go to 12, or 16... at which point, what's the point of group play?
I am not saying I have *the* solution, just that the current format seems wonky. Maybe group play should be replaced by conference? I don't know, I have not thought about it much. I just know that I like the IST, but think the tie-breaker based on point differential is not great. Nor is the fact that the Cs are likely not going to proceed because they lost one game to the Hawks.
 

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I like the idea in theory, but some teams could end up playing 84 regular season games. Hard pass. All the group play games have to be part of the regular season.

So why can't the tiebreaker be as simple as: 1. Head to Head. 2. Regular Season Winning Percentage as of the end of group play.
There is probably enough flexibility in the in-conference schedules to provide for a 12-team knockout round with 4 byes (who play ordinary games on the day prior to when the R16 games are played, let's say), subsuming matchups that would otherwise happen later in the season. The chance would exist that you'd end up having an extra in-division game (the Celtics played the Knicks 5 times last year, for example), but you'd very likely be able to avoid that in most cases.

What I don't quite get is why, last year, we ended up playing the Pacers 5 times. According to my understanding of how the schedule is supposed to be adjusted, that QF Cup matchup should have replaced one of our later-season matchups: we played them in Indy in back-to-back games later in the season, Jan 6th and 8th, so one of those should've been cancelled and replaced with a different opponent.

Basically, the NBA schedule is set up this way:
- You play in-division teams (x4) 4 times each: 2 at home, 2 away. = 16 games
- You play out-of-conference teams (x15) 2 times: 1 at home, 1 away. = 30 games
- You play in-conference, out-of-division teams (x10), either 3 or 4 times. At least 1 home and 1 away, sometimes 2 and 2, but sometimes 1-and-2 or 2-and-1. Total 36 games, so you play 4x of those opponents 3 times, and 6x opponents 4 times.

The tournament affects it like this:
- Because they need to hold spots for prospective Cup QF and SF matches, they only schedule 80 of your 82 games, with the 2 left out being the in-conference, out-of-division type. So initially, you'd be scheduled for 3 games against 6x opponents, and 4 games against only 4x opponents
- The hope is that from among the teams making the knockouts, they would only be among the teams scheduled to play each other 3 times already, and the Cup knockout would provide a 4th, keeping everybody balanced.
- But that's only true for 6 out of 14 (43%) prospective opponents for the knockout round, who are of course all in-conference. The rest of the time, you'd already have 4 games scheduled against your knockout opponent, and the knockout game would provide a 5th. That seems to have been the case for us and Indy, and also the case for the Knicks and Milwaukee.
- Teams not making the knockouts have plenty of options for the league to choose from in order to (hastily) schedule their 81st and 82nd games, on off-days from the Cup matchdays. But teams eliminated in the QFs pretty much have to play each other, because nobody else is available on those days. That's how we ended up playing the Knicks a 5th time.
- The question of which team hosts the QF games also affects the home/road split. For example, because they hosted the QFs and also were nominally the home team for the SF game (in Vegas), the Milwaukee Bucks technically had 42 home games and 40 road games last season, as did the Lakers. The Pelicans (Cup semifinalists) had 40 home / 42 away, although somehow Indy (the other semifinalist) escaped with keeping 41 and 41 - I have no idea who else was missing a home game.

My understanding was that in the event of the Cup schedule forcing a 5th game against an opponent, they instead replace a game later in the season against that opponent with a game against another team for each of you, against whom you each only had 3 scheduled games already. But I guess either (A) that's not the case at all, I made that up and only imagined reading it, or (B) finding appropriate matchups they could shuffle around in that manner proved a lot harder than they anticipated, so they just said "F it, they can play 5 times, whatever, leave it alone".

Either way, it appears to be the case that the regular-season schedule becomes more unbalanced for the teams making the knockout rounds, both in terms of opponents and sometimes in terms of home/road split too. There are probably ways to fix that, if the league decided it was a problem, but at present it is unchanged from last year.
 

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Best way to fix is to get rid of the in season tournament and expand the season by 1-2 weeks to get rid of back to backs.

/party pooper
 

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Every year during the 2 weeks between the NFL conference finals and the Super Bowl, all teams go to Vegas for a single elimination tournament. Teams ranked by regular season record to that point except the 2 teams from the previous years NBA finals get a first round bye and play each other the night before the tournament starts. Brackets are not split by conference. Eliminated teams go back to their conference to play regular season games while the tournament finishes.
 

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Every year during the 2 weeks between the NFL conference finals and the Super Bowl, all teams go to Vegas for a single elimination tournament. Teams ranked by regular season record to that point except the 2 teams from the previous years NBA finals get a first round bye and play each other the night before the tournament starts. Brackets are not split by conference. Eliminated teams go back to their conference to play regular season games while the tournament finishes.
This sounds awesome to me.
 

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Every year during the 2 weeks between the NFL conference finals and the Super Bowl, all teams go to Vegas for a single elimination tournament. Teams ranked by regular season record to that point except the 2 teams from the previous years NBA finals get a first round bye and play each other the night before the tournament starts. Brackets are not split by conference. Eliminated teams go back to their conference to play regular season games while the tournament finishes.
You couldn't play that many games in Vegas. Also, double-elimination is better than single-elimination.

Which is basically what the IST is - since a team that loses twice is out of it plus the NBA gets to better fit in the games into its existing schedule. Except instead of head-to-head quirks, we get total points quirks.
 

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Point differential tie breaker does add a twist. We got to see a Hauser heroic when it wasn’t needed…but, how about the tie breaker being quarters won. Imagine a team down 17 going into the 4th, but if they win the quarter they advance. Games within the games.
 

InstaFace

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It's the final night of group play, we've got the near-maximum of 11 games happening, and some matter and others don't. Here's a viewing guide, chronologically. Bolded are worth tuning in for.

7:00pm: MIL (3-0 +29) @ DET (3-0 +28). Barring a Knicks blowout win, if this game finishes within a 6-point margin, both teams advance. The winner will get a QF home game, too. If it finishes as more than a 6-point margin, it opens the door for the Celtics to advance.

7:00pm: WAS @ CLE
7:00pm: PHI @ CHA
7:30pm: IND @ TOR
(nobody cares about those)

7:30pm: ORL (3-0 +60) @ NYK (3-0 +15). Winner at MSG wins the group, and is likely the East 1-seed for the knockouts. If Orlando can win on the road, the Celtics are in a great position to advance (pending the DET-MIL winning margin). If the Knicks win at home, Orlando likely gets the wild-card on point differential.

8:00pm: UTA (0-3 -27) @ OKC (2-1 +18). A big OKC win opens the door to them getting the West wildcard, but the Spurs having the head-to-head has largely given the group to San Antonio.
8:30pm: MEM (1-2 -6) @ DAL (2-1 +41). Dallas has the inside track for the West wildcard, but Memphis can play spoiler. If this one is close late, it'll be worth watching.

9:00pm: SAS (2-1 +14) @ PHX (2-1 +19). This is a game that will largely determine West Group B. OKC beat PHX, SAS beat OKC, so a PHX win (and OKC win) will see this come down to point differential, and all 3 teams are very close in that already. A SAS win by any margin will win them the group.

10:00pm: HOU (3-0 +49) @ SAC (0-3 -25). Houston has effectively won the group (and a likely 1-seed), barring a huge loss for them and a huge win for Portland.

10:00pm: GSW (3-0 +12) @ DEN (1-2 +2). Denver is almost certainly eliminated, but they can knock the Dubs out (and send Dallas through) with a win against them at home. These two teams always play spicy affairs against each other, too.

10:30pm: POR (2-1 -5) @ LAC (1-2 -6). Portland is very alive for the wild card, if they win. It would likely require both a Dallas loss to Memphis and a Thunder loss to Utah, though, so we'll know if this has real stakes before tipoff. Might be good watching during commercials/halftime of GSW/DEN.
 
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jon abbey

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Love that the Knicks have a chance to knock out the Celtics without actually playing them, here's hoping they're up to it.
 

benhogan

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Love that the Knicks have a chance to knock out the Celtics without actually playing them, here's hoping they're up to it.
It must be nice, in light of the Celtics relentlessly drubbing the NBA & Knicks last season.

The Bucks have an even better chance to kick Celtics Nation in the teeth. They just need a close win.
AND I've got them handing Detroit a few hoops over the last 10 seconds to get it to 6pts (if given the chance)
 

Euclis20

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It’d be hilarious if they get up by over 37 and have to point shave
I know there's theoretically a possibility that the Knicks could win by 40 and we get in that way, but not really. Imagine the Knicks up by 35 with 5 minutes left, they sit everyone because why not they are already in, while Orlando plays hard and trims the lead by 10 to get in comfortably. Ugh.
 

InstaFace

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NYK up 18, if they can get it to 30 I'll start rooting for them. edit: 21.

Strange bedfellows, this makes.
 
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