NBA Cup 2024 discussion & gamethread: It's On. We'll Watch.

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Agree with all this strongly, and I love their young guys. Who do you see taking Trae now, even for a minimal return? It's tough to find teams.
Honestly….who wants him? The Spurs would be the best long term fit but that was before they drafted Castle. The Lakers are the other but I think they would need to include Hachimura , but I think they love him and it would then create a massive frontcourt hole as his versatility covers too many of their needs. They would need to make other moves prior to a Trae trade to open up space beneath the second apron…..so if you see them dumping salary that could be a precursor to a Trae deal.
 

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Trae was born a generation too late. He needs to be in a system with an elite elite rim protector behind him to where allowing dribble penetration is a trap and something that his team would utilize as a part of their scheme against some guards (Quin Snyder was brilliant in designing these with Mitchell allowing smallish non-finishers into the paint and Rudy's living room). These are rare and nowadays can be offset but forcing switches which then require a double. He's Isaiah but without the moxie to compete. Atlanta isn't going to get much for him and the sooner that they realize this the better for that organization to move forward with their talented youth.
The Lakers may be sold that Tare can be the 3rd piece with Bron/AD.

DLo/Hachimura/Vincent works $$$ wise for Young/Roddy.

ATL unloading that salary would be a blessing

AD/Bron/Trae/Reaves/Knect would score a ton of pointZ
 

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Maybe Orlando? They have the strongest offense/defense disparity of the playoff teams. That's all I got.
Problem is that ORL lacks high end contracts to make it happen other than Isaac ($25M) and KCP (&$22.5M).

I would presume issac is untouchable. Interestingly KCP + Cole Anthony works straight up; I doubt either side would be willing to throw in draft equity on that deal; and I have to doubt that ORL would want to get rid of KCP after signing him so if they don’t, not sure how ORL gets there cap-wise.
 

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Trae was born a generation too late. He needs to be in a system with an elite elite rim protector behind him to where allowing dribble penetration is a trap and something that his team would utilize as a part of their scheme against some guards (Quin Snyder was brilliant in designing these with Mitchell allowing smallish non-finishers into the paint and Rudy's living room). These are rare and nowadays can be offset but forcing switches which then require a double. He's Isaiah but without the moxie to compete. Atlanta isn't going to get much for him and the sooner that they realize this the better for that organization to move forward with their talented youth.
So how about trading Trae to the Timberwolves?
 

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So how about trading Trae to the Timberwolves?
Minnesota doesn’t have any tradeable contracts, of players that they would consider moving, to make those numbers work. He’d be an ideal 6th man on that team if he’d buy into it too.
 

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Minnesota doesn’t have any tradeable contracts, of players that they would consider moving, to make those numbers work. He’d be an ideal 6th man on that team if he’d buy into it too.
Unfortunately for Trae, no owner is signing off on a $40M 6th man, even if the contracts worked.
 

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Dalton Knecht is going crazy, 37 in 31 minutes now including I think 19 straight and an alltime rookie record tying 9 3s.
 

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We are looking at a funny scenario now where if BOS and CLE are taking this tournament seriously, they need to both go all out and pile up the point differential against the horrendous Wizards, we’re talking fifty or sixty point wins.
 

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We are looking at a funny scenario now where if BOS and CLE are taking this tournament seriously, they need to both go all out and pile up the point differential against the horrendous Wizards, we’re talking fifty or sixty point wins.
Cle also playing Atlanta at 2:30pm the day after Thanksgiving, in Atlanta. After playing Wednesday in Cle.
Meanwhile Cleveland has Boston on Sunday after that one. Not sure what to make of that Friday game but could be a blowout either way.
 

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Second Celts game against a shitty team, second time they haven’t given a shit.
The Celtics played hard after a low intensity 1st quarter. They really upped the defensive effort in the 2nd half, and Luke/Tillman played better than Queta, or were better matchups.

This was a 25-30 point win masked as a close game, because no 3s fell ever. I actually liked the effort and performance a lot.
 

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Obviously the simplest (and most likely) way in would be for Cleveland and Boston to win. If Atlanta wins, it is gonna be tricky to win by enough to get in on point differential (currently +14). Here are the possible teams we'll be up against:

Group A
Orlando: Currently 2-0 with a +37 differential, games left against Knicks and Nets
NYK: Currently 2-0 with a +14 differential, games left against Magic and Hornets

Group B
Milwaukee: Currently 2-0 with a +26 differential, games left against Heat and Pistons
Pistons: Currently 2-0 with a +4 differential, games left against Pacers and Bucks

If Orlando and Milwaukee win out, we'll be in pretty good shape. The Knicks beating Orlando (on 12/3) would be the nightmare scenario if we need to get in via wild card, given Orlando's +23 edge over us in point differential.
 

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29 through the first half for Sactown. In today's NBA, that's especially pathetic, believe it's a franchise low in the PBP era. Goodness.
 

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DEN has never won a game in franchise history down 20 or more at halftime. They were down 20 at halftime tonight and just went up 2, Westbrook with four 3s!
 

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DEN with a 60-35 stretch to start the second half to go up 5 with 3 minutes left, DAL counters with 9 straight. Fun game!
 

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It feels like having your team advance is a punishment since you will have to watch more games on these terrible courts.

Who in the NBA was like, yeah this looks good.
 

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Obviously the simplest (and most likely) way in would be for Cleveland and Boston to win. If Atlanta wins, it is gonna be tricky to win by enough to get in on point differential (currently +14). Here are the possible teams we'll be up against:

Group A
Orlando: Currently 2-0 with a +37 differential, games left against Knicks and Nets
NYK: Currently 2-0 with a +14 differential, games left against Magic and Hornets

Group B
Milwaukee: Currently 2-0 with a +26 differential, games left against Heat and Pistons
Pistons: Currently 2-0 with a +4 differential, games left against Pacers and Bucks

If Orlando and Milwaukee win out, we'll be in pretty good shape. The Knicks beating Orlando (on 12/3) would be the nightmare scenario if we need to get in via wild card, given Orlando's +23 edge over us in point differential.
How ironic would it be for the Cavs to lose beat Atlanta, have the best record in the NBA, and not qualify for the IST?
 

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Obviously the simplest (and most likely) way in would be for Cleveland and Boston to win. If Atlanta wins, it is gonna be tricky to win by enough to get in on point differential (currently +14). Here are the possible teams we'll be up against:

Group A
Orlando: Currently 2-0 with a +37 differential, games left against Knicks and Nets
NYK: Currently 2-0 with a +14 differential, games left against Magic and Hornets

Group B
Milwaukee: Currently 2-0 with a +26 differential, games left against Heat and Pistons
Pistons: Currently 2-0 with a +4 differential, games left against Pacers and Bucks

If Orlando and Milwaukee win out, we'll be in pretty good shape. The Knicks beating Orlando (on 12/3) would be the nightmare scenario if we need to get in via wild card, given Orlando's +23 edge over us in point differential.
Thanks for posting that.

ATL is home against the CAVs next Friday. If ATL wins, at least Boston will be closer to first in the EC.

Next set of CUP games is Tuesday night (MIL vs. HEAT has some meaning)

The Pistons are getting some love around here; we'll see if the kids are ready for Prime Time next Friday (& following Tuesday), my Magic 8 Ball says Outlook not so good
 

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It feels like having your team advance is a punishment since you will have to watch more games on these terrible courts.

Who in the NBA was like, yeah this looks good.
Tammy Nenault has been the NBA’s Chief Marketing Officer since November, 2022. Did she win Adam over with this grand idea during the interview process?
 

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Obviously the simplest (and most likely) way in would be for Cleveland and Boston to win. If Atlanta wins, it is gonna be tricky to win by enough to get in on point differential (currently +14). Here are the possible teams we'll be up against:

Group A
Orlando: Currently 2-0 with a +37 differential, games left against Knicks and Nets
NYK: Currently 2-0 with a +14 differential, games left against Magic and Hornets

Group B
Milwaukee: Currently 2-0 with a +26 differential, games left against Heat and Pistons
Pistons: Currently 2-0 with a +4 differential, games left against Pacers and Bucks

If Orlando and Milwaukee win out, we'll be in pretty good shape. The Knicks beating Orlando (on 12/3) would be the nightmare scenario if we need to get in via wild card, given Orlando's +23 edge over us in point differential.
Thanks for this.

WRT the Knicks beating Orlando, yes possibly that would be nightmare, but if it's a 20 point win then it wouldn't be so bad.
 

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It feels like having your team advance is a punishment since you will have to watch more games on these terrible courts.

Who in the NBA was like, yeah this looks good.
If you're talking about this year's courts versus last year's, seems like they tried to tone down the courts this year - but you liked last year's better?

According to Lowe's story from last year, it was really Silver who was pushing for bolder marketing, and the courts became one component. https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/38772965/how-bold-new-nba-season-tournament-courts-came-fruition
 

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Milwaukee playing without Giannis tonight against Miami, which is not great for our WC odds (unless either Miami blows them out or Milwaukee pulls off the upset). Bucks up double digits early.
 

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Eason feels like a guy who will be well bid if he ever gets on the market. If he can juice the deep ball he quickly becomes a foundational rotation piece. Of course that can be said of approximately most players in the NBA.
 

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Butler just absolutely trucked Dame chasing a loose ball, sending Lillard flying out of bounds. No call and I am fine with it. This is how hoops should be played.
 

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Ime has yet another team just flat out clamping and stoning dudes. Minnesota is playing tough too. Gobert vs Sengun is fantastic. Houston has such length and their players play with high IQ.
Dillingam’s 4th quarter minutes were a roller coaster in the best way for someone without a rooting interest (except for more basketball - though I do need to get over to my hate watch of the Lakers soon).
 

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Sengun is doing this against Gobert. If Houston gets more scoring around him, even this season, they could be a problem.
 

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The Suns just got absolutely screwed on back to back reviews, if you ask me. When contact is a foul and when it is not is very hard to track, nowadays. It's become true that if you get any ball, you're allowed a LOT of contact.
 

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Ime has yet another team just flat out clamping and stoning dudes. Minnesota is playing tough too. Gobert vs Sengun is fantastic. Houston has such length and their players play with high IQ.
I still can’t believe the Rockets passed on Stephon Castle. Such a perfect player for Ime.
 

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I'm watching Heat-Bucks on-demand, and towards the end of the 3rd, Lillard gets the ball inbounded with 14 left, dicks around for 10 seconds, and then dribbles it off his own leg and out the endline. Immediately starts waving his finger around in the air calling for Doc to challenge the call... and then Tyler Herro, who is of course playing for the other team, also starts waving his finger around suggesting that Doc use his challenge. Really quality moment of NBA dickishness and mockery. "Yes, Doc, please use your challenge there, I'd love to watch that replay 5 times while getting some water"
 

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It feels like having your team advance is a punishment since you will have to watch more games on these terrible courts.

Who in the NBA was like, yeah this looks good.
I love the courts. As do many many people. Seems that there are more people in the "hey, that's different and cool" than the "these are terrible" bucket. But either way, people are talking about it, and that's always good for revenue
 

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I love the courts. As do many many people. Seems that there are more people in the "hey, that's different and cool" than the "these are terrible" bucket. But either way, people are talking about it, and that's always good for revenue
This year's courts are amazing. I think the Wolves have the best design but there are so many good ones. Also, they do feel like they really do provide a visual queue to not only fans but also the players that these games are different.

As a side note, the overall glow up of NBA surfaces is great - some of the artwork is really impressive.
 
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I love the courts. As do many many people. Seems that there are more people in the "hey, that's different and cool" than the "these are terrible" bucket. But either way, people are talking about it, and that's always good for revenue
I like DIFFERENT courts. There is a tournament in Hawaii now with flowers in the key. But these courts all look mostly the same, other than color And a few details. Do City Connect courts or something like that. But these are unimaginative.
 

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I like DIFFERENT courts. There is a tournament in Hawaii now with flowers in the key. But these courts all look mostly the same, other than color And a few details. Do City Connect courts or something like that. But these are unimaginative.
I get your point, but the entire purpose of these courts was to create an immediate visual cue that they are all for the same tournament, and not used for anything else.

I was really worried about the Wolves court based on the design images, and how bright that shade of accent green is in their uniforms, but it wasn't quite as bad as I feared in actual TV gameplay (the center circle is still way too bright for my taste, but the rest of the floor was surprisingly OK.

They need to do away with yellow courts, though, as they're just too blindingly bright, and the red one are too much, too, and also apparently make the games literally unwatchable for people who are color blind, because players in dark uniforms of any color just disappear on the TV screen, which is a big problem.
 

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Cavs/Hawks right now, if Cleveland wins it means Boston is in control to win the group and advance to the knockout stages. 1 point game just before halftime.

If Cleveland loses Boston has to hope for a good enough point differential to advance, but on the bright side it gets them closer to the 1 seed.