I’m not understanding the timing of the Monroe buy-out. Wouldn’t it have made more sense for McDonough to hold on to him for another week in case someone approached them with an offer or a team needs an expiring in a 3-teamer? I could have seen the Pelicans getting desperate and then doing the same Mirotic trade for him. Maybe the Cavs need to pair him with a Frye, etc with PHX getting a smaller 2 year deal back. This must have been pushed by Sarver to ensure they save money right? I would have sat him until the deadline before doing the buy-out..
NBA 2018 Trade Deadline Chatter
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Maybe doing Monroe a solid? If he is bought out before the trade deadline, there are more teams with excpetions and cap space to spend on him. Also might have been a wink-wink deal with a team (hello BOS) that if he is bought out the team can make up the difference.
Also, he makes 4 million more than Mirotic, so the parameters of the that deal would have to change.
Lou Williams netted a very late first round pick last year, but in return, LAL had to take back a negative asset in Brewer. So, while Williams is having a better year, he only has 4 months remaining on his deal. I would think that in total, he has similar value as he did at last years deadline. Thus, I cannot imagine any scenario where LAC nets a potential lottery pick for him, even with a bad contract attached to him (which LAC wouldn't do anyway for they are trying to clear the decks).
There is also very little precedent of a team being top 8 lottery bad one year, top 6 lottery bad the following year, then being a playoff team the following year. Especially a team that is currently devoid of young talent and is not in the most desirable location.
So zero chance that I would even think about trading the MEM pick for 4 months of Tyreke Evans.
It seems to me that he's a great fit that way, far better than Williams. I just don't get how an Irving/Williams combo works on the floor together.
No I agree, but there's a big difference in terms of the player you flget top 5 and a player in the rest of the lottery. Its hard to be so bad that you're at the top three years in a row. Regression to the mean is a powerful drug, especially without an incentive to tank when another team has your pick.
Another benefit of having great representation. These are the types of things a guy like David Falk can get done when other less powerful agents cannot.
Celtics can offer more money and more playoff exposure but Pelicans can obviously offer more PT and scoring opportunities for a FA audition. Would be pretty surprised if New Orleans didn’t land him.
Not seeing this with MEM though. Gasol is getting 25 million the next two years. Conley 30/32/34 over the next three. Gasol will be 35 at the end of his deal. Conley will be 33 and is comng off heel surgery. Oh, they also have 25 million committed to Chandler Parsons over the next two years. They are devoid of young talent. There is a reason that MEM pick is rated as one of the best assets in the league.Their near term future looks as bleak as anyone in the league.
I'm sure this stuff is old news to the folks here, but I enjoyed reading it
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/01/nba-trade-deadline-draft-picks-sixers-celtics-lakers-danny-ainge
https://www.si.com/nba/2018/02/01/nba-trade-deadline-draft-picks-sixers-celtics-lakers-danny-ainge
Pelicans swapping Asik, Tony Allen, Jameer Nelson and a first rounder for Nikola Mirotic and a second rounder. Bulls will waive Quincy Pondexter to accommodate the three-for-one.
Pelicans are guaranteeing Mirotic's salary for next year. They got back their own second round pick to do so. They'll also clear a roster spot and enough salary to sign Greg Monroe.
Bulls are likely to waive both Allen and Nelson.
Pelicans are guaranteeing Mirotic's salary for next year. They got back their own second round pick to do so. They'll also clear a roster spot and enough salary to sign Greg Monroe.
Bulls are likely to waive both Allen and Nelson.
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Bulls are planning to keep guard Jameer Nelson, league source tells ESPN.
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E5 Yaz doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground about the NBA.
From what I can piece together from twitter they aren't cutting him today but probably will before the deadline.
The trade only nets them a little more than 1.5 million. Weren't they really close to the hard cap? How much do they have to offer Monroe?
That'd be enough for a minimum salary (two actually). I wonder if Monroe might look elsewhere though since Mirotic would likely take a lot of the minutes he was expecting to get.
Nelson has value to the Bulls as a veteran presence for all of their young guards.
Yea, if I am Monroe I am looking to get as much money as possible. Everyone knows what he is. I doubt getting 5-10 extra minutes a night for a team somewhere is going to change how teams view him in the offseason
Getting starter minutes for a playoff team is probably a more favorable situation than being a bench big somewhere and it would likely mean more money on his next contract if he played well. He's from Louisiana, too, so that could play into the situation.
He got a ton of money in the buyout so most are saying money isn’t a big deal to him so the Celtics $8 million isn’t as appealing as it might otherwise be.
Would we want Monroe or Brook Lopez more?
The one big advantage for Boston besides being able to offer Monroe more money this year, since Monroe loses his Bird rights once he clears waivers, he'd be eligible to sign a contract with Boston starting at a bit over 10M next season(assuming Boston gave him to full 8.4M of the DPE). He'd also be eligible to be sign and traded at that number. If he signs with New Orleans, or anyone else, they'd have to use cap space or an exception to sign him for much more than the minimum and couldn't be signed and traded.
If Boston has interest in him for next season as well as the remainder of this season, he'd be leaving quite a bit of money on the table, unless he thinks a team with cap space is willing to sign him for 10M+ next season.
Tony Allen apparently has no value to anybody at all. It may be time to hang up the Clown shoes.
Shouldn't Yabu get more than half a season to prove himself?
"Filler", to me, is vets on their way out (ie Jameer Nelson), Two-Way G League guys, and players on 10-day contracts.
Gorshon just turned 22 in December, played overseas last season (Euro 'stache), and he's halfway into his first season in the league. This is year #1 on his rookie contract and he was the 16th pick in the 1st round, Danny/Brad are not giving up on him this quickly.
He is the 14/15th guy on the bench, has a decent outside shot for a big man, doesn't sulk, gets along with his teammates and is learning as he goes. He looks awkward/clueless on the court, but so do most guys that play limited minutes.
Imbricus, it was the Charlotte game and Brad took the blame for that under 2 minute foul on Dwight Howard.
http://celticswire.usatoday.com/2017/11/11/brad-stevens-guerschon-yabusele-dwight-howard-hack-boston-cetlics-charlotte-hornets/
If he isn't traded I'd expect an improved, fitter Yabu on the roster next season.
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he took the blame because he is a nice guy and the coach trying to take the heat off the young guy. The non-foul in question was over the two minute mark. Not a big deal either way though
22 year-olds in the NBA are expected to know how to play basketball with obviously some growing pains. He is completely clueless out there, like, there are middle school kids with a better understanding of how to play basketball. Calling him filler may be too harsh but we’ll probably know next year if we have anything here. The history of players who don’t show anything their first 2 years is generally not a kind one.
At this point, I don’t see him having any trade value at all other than just as a guy to make salaries work. But, as always, I hope to be wrong on this.
I don't think the Clippers are in full tear down mode, and probably want to hold Williams' rights in case they can get themselves onto a prime free agent's short list. Evans is still the mose realistic target. And, honestly, it's tough to make a midget backcourt work these days.
Joe Johnson is a less athletic Marcus Morris, I'm not seeing a difference maker there. A late first has not much value for us, I've got no problem with one of those going for Evans. Not Rozier, probably not Smart, and not the Memphis pick.
I don't see the point of giving a first round pick for a two month rental who will play 15-20 minutes a game. That pick-- or the young, cost controlled player selected with that pick-- might be the difference maker in a future deal for a disgruntled star.
Joe Johnson is nearing the end, but he might make a big shot or two when you need it and he costs nothing. In truth, I don't view any of the players available at this year's deadline for a reasonable price as a difference maker. Evans didn't exactly set the house afire in his one playoff appearance with New Orleans. In fact he stunk.
The player I really want is Jared Dudley if he gets bought out, but I doubt if that will happen now that the Suns have bought out Monroe.
Joe Johnson is nearing the end, but he might make a big shot or two when you need it and he costs nothing. In truth, I don't view any of the players available at this year's deadline for a reasonable price as a difference maker. Evans didn't exactly set the house afire in his one playoff appearance with New Orleans. In fact he stunk.
The player I really want is Jared Dudley if he gets bought out, but I doubt if that will happen now that the Suns have bought out Monroe.
I generally agree with a lot of your posts in this forum and I don't have anything against Jared Dudley. I would just like to understand the attraction. I mean, the guy is fine for bench filler but other than taking Nader's minutes at the end of blow-outs, I don't get the attraction. He can stroke from three but isn't a guy you want taking a high number of shots. And he isn't awful defensively in short stints. What am I missing about this guy?
As you said, he can hit the three and play some defense. Among buyout candidates, who offers more (apart from Monroe, who is already in the fold)? I see him as a tough-minded veteran who can come in and hit a few key shots in the playoffs. If Ainge thinks that Nader or Ojeleye can do that, fine. Ojeleye certainly played well against the Hawks tonight.
I just don't get the idea of a guy like Johnson or Dudley who can "hit a few key shots". Are they only going to play the last couple minutes of a tight game? Or are we just going to write off the net negative they'd be if they're getting regular minutes?
Bulpett this morning says Danny is still actively trying for Evans or Lou Will. Not willing to part with a first round pick.
Stevens will have to figure it out, I suppose, just like he'll have to figure out what to do with Evans or Williams if Ainge acquires one of those players. Neither one of them is as good as Smart or Rozier defensively, so that will be a challenge at the outset.
If I’m Bob Myers and no one is offering a first round pick for Evans I’d seriously consider swooping in and offering up ours. Reke fits Kerr-ball beautifully (versatile, 7-foot-wingspanned playmaker) and his offensive aggressiveness slots in really well on a bench full of guys who like to defer. (One of the chinks in the GSW armor this season has been that Iguodala, Livingston and McCaw have all regressed, and Casspi has stopped shooting threes, leaving the team with the fewest bench threes in the league).
Can someone explain to me why the Celtics are unwilling to give up their own first rounder? It’s going to be anywhere from 27-30 I would think. Is that really that valuable?
