NBA 2018 Trade Deadline Chatter

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I'm sure they'd be happy to grab Trae Young or one of the top non-bigs, but a lotto rookie doesn't improve their near-term fortunes any.
I actually think Mykal Bridges would be a huge get for the Pelicants. Sure he's no Trae Young, but they don't need Young so much as a wing that can provide D and spacing.
 

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Bradley would be a fantastic get for PHI. Bradley/Redick/Covington/Simmons/Embiid is a pretty slick lineup.
I live in Phoenix where Ryan McDonough is general manager. Scuttlebutt is he wants to sign Avery in off-season to pair with Devin Booker. Booker has played at the point the last two games, pairing Booker and Bradley as two kinda combo guards and then hope for Teae Young in the off-season too.....
 

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But Bradley's inclusion on the deal means it's more likely the Clips trade Williams. Get it done Pioli!
The Marci and Yabu/Nader and Celtics 1st for Williams and Bradley works. If Hayward comes back, that’s a serious threat to Golden State.

Is it enough for the Clippers?
 

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Avery cost $8.8MM, we don't have the bad contracts to cover that.

Lou will be just fine
They have the dpe, don't need any bad contracts. Though I'm not sure what role current Avery would actually have on this team. He can shoot but can't create his own offense as we've seen for years, and current Avery (unless he can get healthy very fast) isn't a good player at all.
 

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I saw that, but I am having issues reconciling it with this:

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#101

My reading says the new team would have to waive him.

Interestingly, a player can be traded to a third team, waived by the third team, and be eligible to re-sign with his original team before the waiting period expires. While this has not happened in practice, the league clarified its interpretation of this rule in 2017, in regard to a possible instance with Andrew Bogut.
 

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Also, what's the rule on trading players--isn't there a 60 day wait?
not if you don't aggregate salary.
On the Bogut rule, I think Larry Coon is being conservative because Bogut was waived. However everything from that time period from Woj and others just said that the re-acquisition rule only apply to last team to trade a player, so the type of transaction wouldn't matter.
 

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They have the dpe, don't need any bad contracts. Though I'm not sure what role current Avery would actually have on this team. He can shoot but can't create his own offense as we've seen for years, and current Avery (unless he can get healthy very fast) isn't a good player at all.
Hayward DPE is $8.4MM
 

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I can't imagine Danny moving an asset (one of Smart/Morris/Tatum/Jaylen/Baynes would have to go for salary reasons) for what would be at most a sideways move for Avery anyway.
 

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I can't believe that there is a universe where I want Tyreke Evans on a basketball team I actually like.
 

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I think Aaron Gordon is the dark horse here. This DPE and the lakers/kings pick are the last chances to add to the core after this trade deadline. I’d consider moving anything non Jaylen / Tatum and Lakers pick for Gordon. New GM in town, just drafted a similar player, pay day due.
 

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I think Aaron Gordon is the dark horse here. This DPE and the lakers/kings pick are the last chances to add to the core after this trade deadline. I’d consider moving anything non Jaylen / Tatum and Lakers pick for Gordon. New GM in town, just drafted a similar player, pay day due.
I don't dislike Aaron Gordon but what is the point of acquiring him? After a hot start, his 3p shooting has really tailed off in December and January (20.5% in 11 games this month!) and despite his athleticism and length, he isn't a great defender. So he doesn't space the floor and he would take minutes away from guys like Brown, Tatum and Morris. When Hayward comes back, he presents another challenge in terms of line-up construction. So its not clear what Gordon really gives them that they really need.

The Celtics main need, however, is bench offense. They struggle to score when Kyrie is off the court - in fact, they are last in the NBA in scoring with Irving off the court. Williams may be too expensive and the deal may not work. However their primary targets should be either him or Tyreke Evans. I would be shocked if they go elsewhere barring Davis somehow becoming available.
 

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I would be shocked if they go elsewhere barring Davis somehow becoming available.
If a Davis deal does become available, they still will need some bench scoring. Even more so because at least 4 of their guys will have to go in the trade. In some dream world where Davis gets traded, the Celts are going all in and will need to use the DPE for help
 

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If we're throwing out names of guys who might be available and would be great off the bench.... Will Barton. Denver is probably getting the 8 seed w/ LAC moving Blake, but he's in the last year of his deal and rejected their extension offer.
 

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I don't dislike Aaron Gordon but what is the point of acquiring him? After a hot start, his 3p shooting has really tailed off in December and January (20.5% in 11 games this month!) and despite his athleticism and length, he isn't a great defender. So he doesn't space the floor and he would take minutes away from guys like Brown, Tatum and Morris. When Hayward comes back, he presents another challenge in terms of line-up construction. So its not clear what Gordon really gives them that they really need.

The Celtics main need, however, is bench offense. They struggle to score when Kyrie is off the court - in fact, they are last in the NBA in scoring with Irving off the court. Williams may be too expensive and the deal may not work. However their primary targets should be either him or Tyreke Evans. I would be shocked if they go elsewhere barring Davis somehow becoming available.
Oh idk, he’s an explosive athlete averaging 18.9 PPG despite being in a horrendous situation and he’s 22?

Those guys don’t become available everyday.
 

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If we're throwing out names of guys who might be available and would be great off the bench.... Will Barton. Denver is probably getting the 8 seed w/ LAC moving Blake, but he's in the last year of his deal and rejected their extension offer.
I have a hard time seeing them dealing Barton. He is having a good season for them and the Nuggets are in the same boat as the Celtics. They need more scoring - not less. I fully expect them to go after Kemba and if they don't have to give up too much, they will become a scary team in the West.

That said, Barton would work for the C's even though his 3P% isn't ideal and has regressed from last season's career year.
 

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I agree but, again, he isn't a natural fit.
Agree he's a dicey fit, but I'd be eager to see him play for a good team, and with a good point guard in particular. He put up his best numbers with Payton injured, which may be a coincidence, but may also be a reflecting on the spacing problems presented by a Rondo-esque PG in the modern NBA.

Gordon would be shooting for upside. Depending on the cost, it may be worth it.
 

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The latest rumor is Mirotic to the Pelicans for Asik and a first rounder.
New Orleans has caused a lot of trouble for themselves by constantly trading picks for players, but if they can get Mirotic and dump Asik in the process I think they should probably do it. That sort of solves a couple issues for them.

Woj says it's dead but I think they circle back around unless someone comes up with a better offer for the Bulls.
 

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New Orleans has caused a lot of trouble for themselves by constantly trading picks for players, but if they can get Mirotic and dump Asik in the process I think they should probably do it. That sort of solves a couple issues for them.

Woj says it's dead but I think they circle back around unless someone comes up with a better offer for the Bulls.

Mirotic is a free agent after this year, Asik only has one year remaining after this year, and the Cousins-less Pelicans are a decent bet to miss out on the playoffs, or at least fall to the 8th seed. Not sure I like the deal from their side unless the pick has heavy protections, like top 20.
 

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Mirotic is a free agent after this year, Asik only has one year remaining after this year, and the Cousins-less Pelicans are a decent bet to miss out on the playoffs, or at least fall to the 8th seed. Not sure I like the deal from their side unless the pick has heavy protections, like top 20.
Mirotic has a team option for next year so the Pelicans could pick that up and bring him back. They'd also have his Bird rights.

He can, however, veto the trade if they don't pick up the option.
 
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Mirotic has a team option for next year so the Pelicans could pick that up and bring him back. They'd also have his Bird rights.

He can, however, veto the trade if they don't pick up the option.
Still not sure the temporary (1 year +) upgrade from Asik to Mirotic is worth say, the 15th pick, not for a team like New Orleans that needs young, cheap talent.
 

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Still not sure the temporary (1 year +) upgrade from Asik to Mirotic is worth say, the 15th pick, not for a team like New Orleans that needs young, cheap talent.
You make a good point but like SVG in Detroit, Demps and Gentry are fighting for their jobs today. They have no use for young, cheap talent that may pay off well down the road when each is elsewhere.

It's fascinating in contrast to the Clipper move(s) which appear to be setting up for future years rather than this season.

On the other hand, if the Pelicans keep trading away picks, Davis is almost certainly going to be available in the next few years when these incremental moves fail to pay off. I don't envy guys like Demps who make bold gambles (Boogie) that work and then have the rug pulled out from under him. Now he is fighting for his next contract and if he somehow gets it, he has to know that it means he is the guy who has to deal the franchise's biggest asset.
 

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I like Mirotic as a bench piece for the Celtics but I'll just assume the money doesn't work.
Have to come up with 7.5 million. You could make it work with Smart + Yabusele + Larkin, or any number of other combinations with one of Smart/Morris and a couple of the bench guys.
 

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Have to come up with 7.5 million. You could make it work with Smart + Yabusele + Larkin, or any number of other combinations with one of Smart/Morris and a couple of the bench guys.
Thanks, that's what I figured. Not really worth that price. Morris and other detritus would do it for me but not Smart in there.
 

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I don't dislike Aaron Gordon but what is the point of acquiring him? After a hot start, his 3p shooting has really tailed off in December and January (20.5% in 11 games this month!) and despite his athleticism and length, he isn't a great defender. So he doesn't space the floor and he would take minutes away from guys like Brown, Tatum and Morris. When Hayward comes back, he presents another challenge in terms of line-up construction. So its not clear what Gordon really gives them that they really need.

The Celtics main need, however, is bench offense. They struggle to score when Kyrie is off the court - in fact, they are last in the NBA in scoring with Irving off the court. Williams may be too expensive and the deal may not work. However their primary targets should be either him or Tyreke Evans. I would be shocked if they go elsewhere barring Davis somehow becoming available.
I'd think in acquiring Gordon, you'd be thinking of it as a longterm move, not if he's a better fit than a rental to help this season. If you don't think you could sign him at a reasonable price, I'd pass.

His talent is really intriguing, I'd love to see what Brad Stevens could do with him. I suspect he'd quickly become a much better defender.

Going into next season with a starting five of Kyrie, Hayward, Tatum/Brown, Gordon and Horford and the other of Tatum/Brown as your 6th man is pretty nice. (Assuming you'd be trading picks for Gordon)
 

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Scratch Tatum/Brown.

You mean Tatum.
No, I meant Tatum/Brown.

I think Brown would probably fit better in that starting lineup where you don't need the scoring and Tatum would be able to be the lead scorer on the second unit.
 

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No, I meant Tatum/Brown.

I think Brown would probably fit better in that starting lineup where you don't need the scoring and Tatum would be able to be the lead scorer on the second unit.
Who's more likely to be a future NBA Finals MVP? Tatum by a long shot. His development is more important, so he should be the starter if there's only one spot.
 

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You don't pay Aaron Gordon what he's going to get on an offer sheet to be your 7th man, and that's his role for this team going forward. His hot streak from 3 concealed that he's still incredibly inefficient on offense he'd be 4th choice at best among our wing/swings.
 

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If the Celtics are going to use their DPE, all signs point to Evans. He makes sense from both an availability, cost, and fit standpoint.
 

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You don't pay Aaron Gordon what he's going to get on an offer sheet to be your 7th man, and that's his role for this team going forward. His hot streak from 3 concealed that he's still incredibly inefficient on offense he'd be 4th choice at best among our wing/swings.
This is mostly selecting for the early-part of the season when Payton was hurt, but Gordon has actually been very efficient without Payton on the floor. Some of his regression lately may just be playing more with Payton.

I agree he's an awkward fit, but I can see a case for acquiring him, and if he works out, you make it work with him as something more than a 7th man. His upside remains enormous, and he's shown enough flashes to make me hope it can be achieved if he's playing with Stevens/Kyrie.
 

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If the Celtics are going to use their DPE, all signs point to Evans. He makes sense from both an availability, cost, and fit standpoint.
I think Grizzlies would want their pick back for Evans, and that may end up being too much of a sticking point for them to do a deal with the Celtics. I would not want to give up that pick for Evans.
 

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If the Celtics are going to use their DPE, all signs point to Evans. He makes sense from both an availability, cost, and fit standpoint.
Let's not forget Ainge LOVED him coming out of college. He's his type of combo guard/defender in the Tony Allen/Bradley/Smart/Rozier mold. One thing we've come to find through the years is that Ainge has a "type" for certain roles.....that is his guard type and the Scal/Olynyk/Harangody/Bass is the heady big type that he's shown a liking toward.

I don't think it will be that easy to pry him away as Ainge doesn't have a history of giving up future assets for a limited role rental. If he does give up something it would signal to me that Evans is more of a long-term guy and that Smart is out the door (which is what I've always expected once his payday was due).