NBA 2018 Trade Deadline Chatter

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Speaks volumes about what they think they have in Yabusele, if true.
During the Celtics-Grizzlies talks, I'm told Boston offered two second-round picks and Guerschon Yabusele for Tyreke Evans. It doesn't appear they agreed to terms before the deadline.
 

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I would've loved Evans, but Greg Monroe is better than any single player traded today. It isn't like Danny missed out on anyone. Pick something up off the buyout market, pray for Hayward, and see what happens.
 

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During the Celtics-Grizzlies talks, I'm told Boston offered two second-round picks and Guerschon Yabusele for Tyreke Evans. It doesn't appear they agreed to terms before the deadline.
According to NBC Sports Boston, the Celtics discussed trading Marcus Smart with the Knicks and Nuggets but Ainge would not come off the demand for a first round pick.
 

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During the Celtics-Grizzlies talks, I'm told Boston offered two second-round picks and Guerschon Yabusele for Tyreke Evans. It doesn't appear they agreed to terms before the deadline.
Wow, I get that teams sometimes just get fixated on quality v quantity, but that seems like a more than fair offer from DA...
 

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Sources: Boston has made no deals, standing pat at the deadline and keeping guard Marcus Smart. Celtics value Smart tremendously -- showed it in talks with other teams.
LOL. Ainge values him so much that he tried to get rid of him. Love the spin. The fact that he wouldn't move him for a 2nd rounder only shows that he wasn't desperate to dump him.
 

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Wow, I get that teams sometimes just get fixated on quality v quantity, but that seems like a more than fair offer from DA...
Yes, on the other hand, the free agent market looks like a disaster for mid-tier players such as Evans and Smart. It makes sense to try to drive up the trade price for those players because they may not have too many options in excess of the mid-level exception (see Williams, Lou).
 

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Yeah, they didn't exactly do anything to increase his market value. And Ainge was never to going overpay for a rental.
Nobody is paying the 1st round price for rentals or even marginal players as they have in the past. Even Elfrid Payton was dumped for a 2nd.
 

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Yes, on the other hand, the free agent market looks like a disaster for mid-tier players such as Evans and Smart. It makes sense to try to drive up the trade price for those players because they may not have too many options in excess of the mid-level exception (see Williams, Lou).
Let's sign Evans with our MLE this offseason
 

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How? It's essentially 0 value in return for Memphis. 2nd round picks are easily acquired and Yabu is a big nothing.
It's 2 seconds and a cost controlled player with upside. That's far more than what they'll get when a playoff team offers Reke the MLE and he jumps on it.

If anything that's a borderline overpay based on the other deals today. I would jump on Reke for Yabusele straight up if I were Wallace, nevermind adding 2 seconds
 

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Wallace is losing his grip. He had a good run with Gasol and Conley but it’s fading fast and it seems he’s choosing not to deal with it with anything approaching rationality.

I’m guessing he saw the Lou Williams numbers and was suddenly giddy over the possibility of keeping Evans on a bargain and running it back with this sinking ship.
 

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Those offers both suck and will likely amount to nothing, what’s the big deal with rejecting them and trying to overpay him to stay while they rebuild?
 

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Those offers both suck and will likely amount to nothing, what’s the big deal with rejecting them and trying to overpay him to stay while they rebuild?
The issue is that he doesn’t think they need to rebuild, in which case yes he was acting rationally, but on flawed logic.
 

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Wallace is losing his grip. He had a good run with Gasol and Conley but it’s fading fast and it seems he’s choosing not to deal with it with anything approaching rationality.

I’m guessing he saw the Lou Williams numbers and was suddenly giddy over the possibility of keeping Evans on a bargain and running it back with this sinking ship.
Wallace is losing his grip because he won't swap Tyreke for Yabusele, who has in two years shown that he can't play in the league? That's a little bit of a stretch don't ya think.The Gasol situation is 100% out of his hands as Pera has said that he is never trading Gasol.
 

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For the most part you aren’t getting anything good in the second round. If Memphis has a good relationship with Evans and thinks they can bring him back for the MLE that’s a much better use of their resources.
 

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Jared Weiss reporting that Memphis wanted either a first round pick or Marcus Smart straight up for Tyreke.

I think I'm ok with not giving them either. The first round pick wasn't happening and Danny values Smart a ton. At this point I'm not going to argue with his player evaluation. Playoff Marcus will shoot 40% on threes anyway...
 

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There was zero advantage in keeping Reke. All they can offer is the MLE, same as if they trade him. He hurts the pick this year. You also just sat him out for 2 weeks in preparation to trade him. Even if you don't use the 2nds they are assets, as seen by the trades over the last day or two.

It makes zero sense to keep him.
 

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I’d rather Evans than Smart but only because Brad seems terrified of Smart and we get Smart running the offense and jacking up bricks far too often. Oh well.

Edit - Hurting the pick is a good point.
 

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There was zero advantage in keeping Reke. All they can offer is the MLE, same as if they trade him. He hurts the pick this year. You also just sat him out for 2 weeks in preparation to trade him. Even if you don't use the 2nds they are assets, as seen by the trades over the last day or two.

It makes zero sense to keep him.
Right, this bed was made when the Parsons signing went belly up. The team is capped out, old, injured, and bad. Try anything rather than running it back.
 

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Yabu has a guarantee for the next two years. So if you think he’s a bust (which Memphis does, apparently), he has negative value.
 

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I am ok with the C's not spending assets on Evans. He would have helped at the margin but they may be able to piece together his production in-house via an improving Rozier plus whatever Hayward can give them.

Now let's see what happens with buyouts. I don't love Ole Joe Johnson but if they can snag another veteran scorer from the scrap heap, I am confident that Brad Stevens will maximize his strengths in limited minutes.

Meanwhile, Danny still has his assets and Smart. On the latter, it's clear that, despite the sentiment here in Ye Old Port Cellar, Ainge/Stevens still value him highly.

As a side note, I would love to see what metrics the Celtics use to evaluate players. It ain't PER...
 

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Yabu has a guarantee for the next two years. So if you think he’s a bust (which Memphis does, apparently), he has negative value.
That's absolutely fine. Denver offered expiring contracts and 2 2nd's, what do you make of Memphis turning that deal down?
 

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Wallace is losing his grip because he won't swap Tyreke for Yabusele, who has in two years shown that he can't play in the league? That's a little bit of a stretch don't ya think.The Gasol situation is 100% out of his hands as Pera has said that he is never trading Gasol.
You keep saying 2yrs with Yabusele. He played overseas last season and started his rookie contract this season. He's played half a season.

I get you don't like him, but there is no reason to push up his timeline.
 

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I hate when people say "2nd round pick" as if they are all equal. If that pick is in the low to mid 30s? Great, those have a ton of value as you can still find a quality player in that range and the contract costs are minimal. After that the picks are essentially worthless and they get tossed around for cash on draft night.

Guys in the 40-60 range rarely even make rosters, let alone contribute. Those who do are major outliers.
 

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You keep saying 2yrs with Yabusele. He played overseas last season and started his rookie contract this season. He's played half a season.

I get you don't like him, but there is no reason to push up his timeline.
We have seen him for two years no matter how you spin it. He was in our summer league prior to going overseas where we have seen plenty of tape on him (1st year as a professional) and hasn't improved while arguably regressing as a 22-year old this season (2nd year). His trade value is zero.

Sacramento just waived Papagiannis, who was selected 3 slots above him at 13. You don't have to have a guy for 4 years do make a decision on him if he isn't showing you anything. Otherwise we'd still have James Young here.
 

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Kings are waiving Papagiannis, and this after they traded Malachi Richardson for Bruno Caboc-lol, who they'll waive. Sunk costs are sunk costs, but having to dump two first rounders a year and a half after drafting them is so very Sactown.
 

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I hate when people say "2nd round pick" as if they are all equal. If that pick is in the low to mid 30s? Great, those have a ton of value as you can still find a quality player in that range and the contract costs are minimal. After that the picks are essentially worthless and they get tossed around for cash on draft night.

Guys in the 40-60 range rarely even make rosters, let alone contribute. Those who do are major outliers.
You could make a pretty badass #40-60 all-star team — Dragic, Ginobili, Millsap, Jokic, Marc Gasol, 6th man IT — but basically agreed.
 

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We have seen him for two years no matter how you spin it. He was in our summer league prior to going overseas where we have seen plenty of tape on him (1st year as a professional) and hasn't improved while arguably regressing as a 22-year old this season (2nd year). His trade value is zero.

Sacramento just waived Papagiannis, who was selected 3 slots above him at 13. You don't have to have a guy for 4 years do make a decision on him if he isn't showing you anything. Otherwise we'd still have James Young here.
Not trying to spin anything, but two years is factually incorrect. 2 years ago he hadn't even been drafted. He's been in the NBA for half a season. James Young on the other hand had been in the NBA for 3 seasons before the Celtics lost their patience.
 

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Kings are waiving Papagiannis, and this after they traded Malachi Richardson for Bruno Caboc-lol, who they'll waive. Sunk costs are sunk costs, but having to dump two first rounders a year and a half after drafting them is so very Sactown.
We’ll help save them from further embarrassment next year.
 

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Now that the deadline has passed where does it rank? It’s one of the best I can remember. You had the superstar trade with Griffin and a contender blowing it up, plus a few smaller, interesting deals with former lottery picks.
 

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Didn't know if this was ever posted anywhere and I came across it again today to share.

This gives a glimpse of how competitive and cutthroat it is for NBA executives while sometimes being downright dirty. Some interesting stuff, a funny Amar'e story and additional insight into behind the scenes work in making deals in this league.


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