Nate Solder out for the season
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That's really not good news, it also explains why he was so bad on Sunday (while he was in there).
Yikes. We need Wendell to get back healthy and fast, but interior line depth will only help so much to full a big void at LT. I guess we will see Cannon in a rotation, but with who?
Ugh. Well, the Patriots were displaying some serious OL depth so far. Now that will be tested in a big way.
pokey_reese said:
Cannon is the only other Tackle on the roster. He'll take over LT, with Fleming being promoted as the primary backup I would imagine.
Interesting that he would talk to the media after Sunday's game. Usually players that are hurt do not talk.
Michael Williams is listed as a Tight End on the Patriots website, but he played Tackle with Detroit, and they seemed to like him there. Perhaps he's in the mix?
Immediate reaction: Fuck.
After thinking about it for 5 minutes: Solder is a good, solid, but definitely not great left tackle. Better than Cannon, but the dropoff between the two isn't season-changing. Assuming this means that Fleming gets activated as well, so he might start getting game reps as the 3rd swing tackle.
Guess we'll start to see if the 3 years $9 mill they shelled out for Cannon turns out to be a steal or not.
After thinking about it for 5 minutes: Solder is a good, solid, but definitely not great left tackle. Better than Cannon, but the dropoff between the two isn't season-changing. Assuming this means that Fleming gets activated as well, so he might start getting game reps as the 3rd swing tackle.
Guess we'll start to see if the 3 years $9 mill they shelled out for Cannon turns out to be a steal or not.
Vollmer played at LT in stretches earlier in his career. Any chance we see him slide over and have Cannon/Fleming at LT? Anyone think we might see a trade as well?
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
How long is the recovery for this injury normally? Could he have been an IR-DTR candidate if not for Stork taking his spot?
No resisted lifting for three months, no uncontrolled loading (trying to grab someone running by you at high speed) for six months, so he's done regardlessRIrooter09 said:
Also, probably goes without saying, but Solder looks like a genius for taking the guaranteed money now. Always smart to cash in when given the chance in this league.
I'm not sure what "torn biceps" technially means, but I ruptured my distal biceps tendon and wasn't diagnosed by an initial x-ray or physical exam (it was clear on the MRI I had though). It was a weird injury, not painful and I could still move my arm just fine, just with a pretty severe loss of strength. The post-surgery healing and recovery was painfully slow though, about 5-6 months before I could resume working out normally again.jsinger121 said:
Not that worried. I'm sure they'll adjust and Brady has been getting the ball out super-fast. Good player but if the rest of the line plays well you can scheme around a weakness at one spot. And how many teams have a Greg Hardy type that can get to Brady in <2 seconds? I guess the Broncos but their defense is just tough overall. KC and Houston, but they probably won't play KC and Watt is a beast for anyone to deal with.
I wonder how much of Hardy's success was due in part to Solder playing hurt during the game before he came out.
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
Andy Merchant said:
Is this longer than other tears? I tore a pec and was back in 2 months, though the ortho said I was lucky that it was just muscle tearing from muscle as opposed to off the joint or tendon, which would've required much more convalescence. Biceps never tear down the middle, but always from the joint?
I'd be surprised if it did. Vollmer hasn't played LT since what, 2009? Cannon has played more RT than LT but has been sprinkled in on the left side throughout.Byrdbrain said:
This is pretty bad.
That said, we've seen this team overcome on the O-line so much that I'm expecting it to be a non-issue.
That expectation is completely ridiculous on so many levels when it comes to football, but since 2000 this has been the case over and over.
That said, we've seen this team overcome on the O-line so much that I'm expecting it to be a non-issue.
That expectation is completely ridiculous on so many levels when it comes to football, but since 2000 this has been the case over and over.
Ted Johnson had one (and maybe two) of these type injuries. I don't think he was ever the same player, but he was playing a linebacker position where reaching out and grabbing a fast-moving train happens more than in the offensive line.
A tackle punches the defender so having a torn bicep is going to affect him in that area. I think he'll come back good as new.gryoung said:
Super Nomario said:
Agreed. I think we'll see Cannon on the left side.
I'm not that worried about the drop off from Solder to Cannon. What is really scary is that we're now one injury away from serious trouble.
Not if you're Ray LewisRedOctober3829 said:
Someone get Solder some damn deer antler spray, post haste.
Injury bug was bound to hit sooner or later. The good thing is their depth at this position is as good as one could expect. Cannon, Fleming, hell maybe even Williams could switch back (though I bet he's tired of jumping between positions every few months).
Thinness at OL is the same boat as most every team, many of whom don't even have a relatively high pedigree, relatively experienced swing T with G experience like Cannon at the ready to plug in. Doesn't Sunday show that he is not a terrible fit, playing the second half and allowing a lot less pass rush destruction than they suffered earlier?Morgan's Magic Snowplow said:
This is where I am. The dropoff after Cannon/Vollmer is ???Morgan said:
For all we know, they can find someone like Fleming or even Williams to come in and play respectably with Brady getting rid of the ball quickly, but we really don't know and that's always scary.
In my case, the tendon attached to the biceps near the elbow tore away from the bone (the muscle itself was OK). I've had two tendon ruptures (other was Achilles) and both took a long time to heal. I do wonder how many actual torn biceps muscles DaveRoberts'Shoes has come across and if that healing process is different though?Marciano490 said:
Solder is a loss they can manage. The bigger issue is they are now relying on Vollmer to last the season which I wouldn't take odds on.
If they lose Vollmer or Cannon they could be in trouble. Who is out there that they might be able to bring in as depth? Doubt they can trade for a starting T but Cannon insurance should be obtainable.
If they lose Vollmer or Cannon they could be in trouble. Who is out there that they might be able to bring in as depth? Doubt they can trade for a starting T but Cannon insurance should be obtainable.
Cam Flemming is on the practice squad and was a decent enough RT in limited action last year. I doubt anyone out there at this point is markedly better.j44thor said:
jsinger121 said:
DaveRoberts'Shoes said:
They asked him about his elbow. He said his elbow was fine.
Late in the game you could see him talking to Brady on the sidelines and kind of flexing his arm - he obviously was in discomfort but at the same time clearly didn't know the severity
JerBear said:
Folks massively underrate the quality of their team's OL and DBs. We expect Chandler to routinely get pressure on LTs and we expect Edelman to have about a 100 yards but then heaven forbid our corner gives up a hundred yards or Justin Houston/Khalil Mack/Hardy get some pressure on our QB.
The above is so true.
Have no idea how this works out other than Pats will adjust better than most. Timely reminder that this is a war of attrition. I don't begin to breath easier until we're into December. One game can take out your season.
Have no idea how this works out other than Pats will adjust better than most. Timely reminder that this is a war of attrition. I don't begin to breath easier until we're into December. One game can take out your season.
That's true, but he did workout at guard for a stretch recently, so I think he'd be flexible enough to move across the line I'd needed. I really hate the idea of Cannon on Brady's blindside. He may get Brady killed.Super Nomario said:
This is where I am. Solder has been solid but a bit of a disappointment, given his pedigree and draft status. Even considering the various effects his cancer treatment brought to the table, I found his play in 2014 to be pretty inconsistent. The drop-off from Solder-Vollmer to Vollmer-Cannon isn't gigantic or anything but this will certainly test the team's tackle depth. I too wonder if Cam Fleming will get the call from the P.S.j44thor said: