Napoli's Finger: Off to the DL!

snowmanny · Apr 15, 2014

I'm pretty sure that the last time a Red Sox clean-up hitter broke a finger on a head first slide he missed 40 games. (Manny, 2002).

Dan to Theo to Ben · Apr 15, 2014

It was certainly the ring finger. I realize it's a tie game in the 9th, but it's the top of the inning, 2 outs, and the closer is Mujic Man not Ue.

Going to 2nd reward wasn't worth the risk IMHO.

RG33 · Apr 15, 2014

How much does a dislocated ring finger on his non-throwing hand really affect him though? Isn't that something you pop back in, ice down, cast up for a week or two and get back to it?

teddywingman · Apr 15, 2014

It completely sucks.

One of the only consistent power bats in the lineup just got erased till June.

HriniakPosterChild · Apr 15, 2014

RGREELEY33 said:
How much does a dislocated ring finger on his non-throwing hand really affect him though? Isn't that something you pop back in, ice down, cast up for a week or two and get back to it?

How much did a dislocated index finger on Manny's non-throwing hand affect him? The answer is upthread.

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Edit: added quote of original post. And to say...

this is why you don't dump Carp.

teddywingman · Apr 15, 2014

Dan to Theo to Ben said:
It was certainly the ring finger. I realize it's a tie game in the 9th, but it's the top of the inning, 2 outs, and the closer is Mujic Man not Ue.

Going to 2nd reward wasn't worth the risk IMHO.

You don't play baseball based on random injury risk.

Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat · Apr 15, 2014

HriniakPosterChild said:
How much did a dislocated index finger on Manny's non-throwing hand affect him? The answer is upthread.

Was Manny's broken or dislocated?

DaveRoberts'Shoes · Apr 15, 2014

If it's just a soft-tissue injury, 15-day DL with a rehab stint. If it's fractured, three months. We'll know soon.

Fuck this season.

HriniakPosterChild · Apr 15, 2014

Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
Was Manny's broken or dislocated?

Point well taken. Thanks for the reminder. (I was at that game screaming: "Run, Manny, run!" as he rounded third.)

Laser Show · Apr 15, 2014

teddywingman said:
You don't play baseball based on random injury risk.

Agreed. This play happens a billion times over the course of the baseball season, and injuries occur in just a tiny fraction. Playing the game to not get hurt is a good way to not play it well.

Dan to Theo to Ben · Apr 15, 2014

RGREELEY33 said:
How much does a dislocated ring finger on his non-throwing hand really affect him though? Isn't that something you pop back in, ice down, cast up for a week or two and get back to it?

Depends if there's a sprain or fracture. You can't bat. Carlos Gonzalez lost the last 2 months of the season last year just on a sprain IIRC.

Sandy Leon Trotsky · Apr 15, 2014

Let the Carp era begin!

Dan to Theo to Ben · Apr 15, 2014

Laser Show said:
Agreed. This play happens a billion times over the course of the baseball season, and injuries occur in just a tiny fraction. Playing the game to not get hurt is a good way to not play it well.

Perhaps. But there's a difference if there's an experience base-stealer trying to take 2nd, or if it's Mike Napoli. Especially when it's not a called/planned steal but a ball in front of home.

teddywingman · Apr 15, 2014

Trotsky said:
Let the Carp era begin!

I guess we can put off the "Who to Drop" conversation for a bit.

MakMan44 · Apr 15, 2014

Does Lavarnway get the call up? If Nap is on the shelf for a while, might be nice to give him one last shot to see if he can hit ML pitching.

Yazdog8 · Apr 15, 2014

Disloaction. X-Rays were negative. As per multiple on twitter.

MakMan44 · Apr 15, 2014

mabrowndog said:
SSS and all, but he's not exactly hitting MiL pitching right now either (.209/.306/.302/.608 in 49 PA).

Yeah, I noticed that. Any ideas on who else they could call up though?

Back Bay · Apr 16, 2014

MakMan44 said:
Does Lavarnway get the call up? If Nap is on the shelf for a while, might be nice to give him one last shot to see if he can hit ML pitching.

Carp is still a better hitter. He has a career 117ops+

Sampo Gida · Apr 16, 2014

Day to day according to John Farrell

twibnotes · Apr 16, 2014

Sampo Gida said:
Day to day according to John Farrell

As frustrating as this season has been, if both Napoli and Pedroia are back on the field within the next week, with Shane and WMB to follow, things could be a lot worse.

geoduck no quahog · Apr 16, 2014

I saw it from 30 feet away as he entered the dugout. It was not normal unless a finger takes a right hand turn halfway up. I don't know how it can be day to day.

Al Zarilla · Apr 16, 2014

I got one (pinky finger) during a football game. Coach popped it back into place and sent me back in. To this day, it's still somewhat crooked though. After mine happened, the finger was perpendicular to what is normal, starting at the second joint from the fingertip. Scares the shit out of you but it's probably not a big deal.

flymrfreakjar · Apr 16, 2014

mabrowndog said:
That comment may have been before any x-rays or further medical opinions. At that time, all Farrell said was that the finger had been popped back into normal alignment and Napoli was in the shower.

No telling how much it's going to swell overnight or how much damage has been caused to the muscles and ligaments surrounding the joint. Again, it won't take much to adversely affect his bat grip. For an RHB, the pressure applied to the bat by the bottom three left fingers is the fulcrum against which the wrist breaks and pulls the barrel through the zone, especially for a pull hitter.

X-rays were negative according to Pete Abe.

Sampo Gida · Apr 16, 2014

mabrowndog said:
That comment may have been before any x-rays or further medical opinions. At that time, all Farrell said was that the finger had been popped back into normal alignment and Napoli was in the shower.

No telling how much it's going to swell overnight or how much damage has been caused to the muscles and ligaments surrounding the joint. Again, it won't take much to adversely affect his bat grip. For an RHB, the pressure applied to the bat by the bottom three left fingers is the fulcrum against which the wrist breaks and pulls the barrel through the zone, especially for a pull hitter.

Yeah, maybe. Not a doc but I would guess the problem with dislocations can come from their effect on nearby ligaments or tendons which would cause swelling and pain. I guess they hope it responds to RICE and does not swell up much. If it does that could change their minds.

The potential that he is ok to play but is not 100% and it affects his hitting is also a possible scenario

Harry Hooper · Apr 16, 2014

Apply leeches to minimize swelling.

ivanvamp · Apr 16, 2014

Now missing four starters from the presumptive starting lineup: Victorino, Pedroia, Middlebrooks, and Napoli. Plus Uehara is not back yet.

Right now they just need to tread water. Hang in there, keep it close, wait for the troops to return. They'll be alright.

pokey_reese · Apr 16, 2014

Watching the slow motion replay of that error last night makes me really, really not want Carp at first for an extended period of time. His reaction to that ball bouncing was painful.

absintheofmalaise · Apr 16, 2014

pokey_reese said:
Watching the slow motion replay of that error last night makes me really, really not want Carp at first for an extended period of time. His reaction to that ball bouncing was painful.

I got the same feeling watching it in real time. It was a off to his right and he was trying to backhand it, but that was a very good bounce and he turned his head just after the bounce. IMO, that was a play almost every 1B makes.

Bob Montgomerys Helmet Hat · Apr 16, 2014

pokey_reese said:
Watching the slow motion replay of that error last night makes me really, really not want Carp at first for an extended period of time. His reaction to that ball bouncing was painful.

I think it also reinforced just how good Napoli has been at first. He picks almost everything over there, and that's been extremely valuable.

Manramsclan · Apr 16, 2014

teddywingman said:
You don't play baseball based on random injury risk.

Agreed. This play happens a billion times over the course of the baseball season, and injuries occur in just a tiny fraction. Playing the game to not get hurt is a good way to not play it well.

I agree, but it's pretty ridiculous that these players continue to slide into bases head first. Their hands and wrists are the most important tools that they have. They all know this. Ask any hitter and they will tell you that. So why slide head first? It makes no sense.

In this case as well, if he slid feet first he would've been safe because the throw got away. Go ahead and risk the extra base but don't be stupid about it. This happened to Pedrioa last year, Josh Hamilton and Puig this year, Manny... the list goes on and on.

I hope he is truly ok and avoids a decline in performance much more than avoiding DL time. A limited Mike Napoli will really hurt this team. Without his power he doesn't have the impact that a player like Pedroia can have.

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jimbobim · Apr 16, 2014

Considering how unlucky the Red Sox have been this year injury wise the news has been favorable. Koji seems like he might be back tonight or at least tomorrow if the offense can ever get a lead. Pedroia will be back in the lineup tonight.

Napoli seems to have had the finger popped back in. If the Red Sox get REALLY lucky he could play tonight or tomorrow.

If he's headed to the DL which is a possibility maybe probable if you take a glass half empty approach I would have to think Cecchini gets a long consideration. I don't see why he can't be the JBJ/WMB of this year shuttling back in forth. Holt is roster filler.

Time to Mo Vaughn · Apr 16, 2014

absintheofmalaise said:
I got the same feeling watching it in real time. It was a off to his right and he was trying to backhand it, but that was a very good bounce and he turned his head just after the bounce. IMO, that was a play almost every 1B makes.

Somehow I saw something completely different. In one of the replays that was directly behind Carp it looked to me that the bounce, while it came up nice and high, changed direction and went from being to the right of the bag to right at Carp's face, which caused him to turn his head.

Found the camera angle here around the 1:10 mark: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2014_04_15_bosmlb_chamlb_1&mode=video

And trying to watching it closely 5 or 10 times I now am even less sure.

Edit: With this link you actually need to go to the 3rd link down on the right side which has the NESN footage of the replay as the original clip that pops up is only 60 seconds long.

Plympton91 · Apr 16, 2014

absintheofmalaise said:
I got the same feeling watching it in real time. It was a off to his right and he was trying to backhand it, but that was a very good bounce and he turned his head just after the bounce. IMO, that was a play almost every 1B makes.

You mean that a player who entered a game with little to no warning and thus no time to warm up after sitting outside in 30 degree weather for 3 hours after having missed a week with back spasms wasn't looking sharp? Shocking.

absintheofmalaise · Apr 16, 2014

Plympton91 said:
You mean that a player who entered a game with little to no warning and thus no time to warm up after sitting outside in 30 degree weather for 3 hours after having missed a week with back spasms wasn't looking sharp? Shocking.

People are looking for excuses to keep their binky in the outfield after Victorino gets healthy.

Yes. Mike Carp. I am very aware that he got put in there with no warning. But that is still a play that I think most 1Bs make. It hit his glove. The head turn very likely caused that.
What binky are you talking about here? I don't recall advocating for one player over another in the OF.

Dogman · Apr 16, 2014

Carp batted in the 8th so it isn't like he hadn't done anything all night.

Soxfan in Fla · Apr 16, 2014

jimbobim said:
Considering how unlucky the Red Sox have been this year injury wise the news has been favorable. Koji seems like he might be back tonight or at least tomorrow if the offense can ever get a lead. Pedroia will be back in the lineup tonight.

Napoli seems to have had the finger popped back in. If the Red Sox get REALLY lucky he could play tonight or tomorrow.

If he's headed to the DL which is a possibility maybe probable if you take a glass half empty approach I would have to think Cecchini gets a long consideration. I don't see why he can't be the JBJ/WMB of this year shuttling back in forth. Holt is roster filler.

At least we aren't the Rays who lost Matt Moore for the season and Alex Cobb for 4-6 weeks. Fortunately no one is tearing up the East so far. These are short term injuries (hopefully).

Lose Remerswaal · Apr 16, 2014

Rudy Pemberton said:
So, assuming Napoli goes on the DL, who comes up? The 40-man is full, and the only players who have any kind of experience playing first are Ryan Lavarnway and Alex Hassan; and that's like 20 AAA games combined.

Now, you can use Nava and Carp at first, and call up an OF...youre choices are Hassan or Brentz.

Holt, Cecchini, Butler, and Vazquez are the only other position players on the 40-man.

Brandon Snyder is another option, not on the 40-man.

So, what do you do until Vic is ready?

(EDIT- If he's not going on the DL, than nevermind. That would be pretty fantastic news).

absintheofmalaise · Apr 16, 2014

Pete Abraham said Nava was out early taking grounders at first. Probably see him there tonight.

Hank Scorpio · Apr 16, 2014

absintheofmalaise said:
Pete Abraham said Nava was out early taking grounders at first. Probably see him there tonight.

Yup.

Edit: Thought I was in the game thread.

absintheofmalaise · Apr 16, 2014

Hank Scorpio said:
Yup.

Edit: Thought I was in the game thread.

We don't let you in those since you lost the game with the Yankees over the weekend.

Just a bit outside · Apr 16, 2014

Rudy Pemberton said:
Maybe this is obvious to others, but what are those #s next to each player? So, Pedroia...0-1-236?

Homers, RBI, and Batting Average for the year

normstalls · Apr 16, 2014

My guess was HR - RBI - AVG for row 1. And season total Hits - At Bats for row 2.

Stitch01 · Apr 16, 2014

HR/RBI/BA

absintheofmalaise · Apr 16, 2014

Rudy Pemberton said:
Maybe this is obvious to others, but what are those #s next to each player? So, Pedroia...0-1-236?

Beaten to it by the others.

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