MW 9/10-9/12 - Let’s complain about VAR outside of England
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Nico Gonzalez misses a fairly easy chance off a great ball from Musah then scores an own goal at the other end.
Full Timo Werner experience for RB Leipzig so far today; offsides on mistimed runs, misses wide when in on goal, but that pace and work rate puts pressure on the other team, earning a corner that Leipzig capitalized on and later drawing the defenders with another run that leads to an open look that Szoboszlai absolutely buries for a 2-0 lead over Dortmund at the half.
Fired coach bounce too for RB. Hopefully Gio gets a few minutes here in the second half.
How about Stuttgart? A penalty in the 92’ to tie Bayern. Do yourself a favor and watch the extended highlights. They throughly deserved at least a tie after having two goals waved off for very soft fouls.
It's only Bochum, who look 20/21 Schalke bad, but finally a Bundesliga win! And the (ultra) local bragging rights to boot.
I don’t know of another sport that continues so seamlessly for me. I’ve watched games I wouldn’t have paused for today- teams I knew only because of playing FIFA or looking at scores and players I may only have a vague name recognition for. Doesn’t matter- it’s still the beautiful game.
I made sure to watch France, Germany, Spain, and Italy today. I also coached my son’s U8 team (with him at home with Covid). The flavors are so distinct. God I fucking love this sport.
I made sure to watch France, Germany, Spain, and Italy today. I also coached my son’s U8 team (with him at home with Covid). The flavors are so distinct. God I fucking love this sport.
Pefok starts for Union. Let’s see if he can be the striker the US needs for the World Cup.
Plus the Koln manager has a Scally cap on.
Plus the Koln manager has a Scally cap on.
Pefok is back in the starting lineup for Union Berlin this week against Köln. Hopefully today will be better than the rotten game they played on Thursday. No Rønnow today, not even on the bench.
Some very heartening news is that Timo Baumgartl is on the bench for Union today. It's his first time suiting up since his diagnosis of testicular cancer. He's been undergoing chemotherapy, but is well enough to play, which is really nice to see.
A Union win today would almost certain put them in first place for the first time in their history.
Some very heartening news is that Timo Baumgartl is on the bench for Union today. It's his first time suiting up since his diagnosis of testicular cancer. He's been undergoing chemotherapy, but is well enough to play, which is really nice to see.
A Union win today would almost certain put them in first place for the first time in their history.
That's a tough penalty, but it looks like it was heading for goal if not for the hand ball.
And that was a crap penalty from Jordan. Yuck.
And that was a crap penalty from Jordan. Yuck.
That’s a tough handball but the ball was going in so i think that why they give it.
Pefok with an awful penalty. Chicharito is smiling somewhere.
Pefok with an awful penalty. Chicharito is smiling somewhere.
Becker for Balloon d'Or
Hopefully it stands, but not looking good.
Edit: bummer, but I guess that's the right call.
Are the hand cranked sirens in the stands a thing in Bundesliga? It’s driving me nuts for some reason.
I've never heard it before. I was actually looking around to see if my wife had something on her phone that was making the noise.
Union look like Union today, aside from the shameful penalty.
Koln looks like they had the better halftime talk. Perhaps that plays into the Union counterattack though.
I was hoping to see Pefok press a bit but he seems like he’s either not interested or not asked to do so. I say that as a USMNT fan who knows Berhalter wants that.
I was hoping to see Pefok press a bit but he seems like he’s either not interested or not asked to do so. I say that as a USMNT fan who knows Berhalter wants that.
I haven't seen him press much at all for Union, the the point that it seems like his role is more to stand up there and poach goals. The rest of the team works so hard at pressing and countering, and his strike partner, Becker, is so fast, that it probably makes sense to give him to the job to stand around and be ready to score.
And there you go. He does a nice job in the hold up play. Becker is the guy you love to have on your team. Non stop energy and a real pest.
Becker has improved so much since being given regular playing time. I was really worried about the attack up front, but Becker has so far exceeded expectations that it's gotten the job done very well. This team is producing players like the Rays with an even smaller budget and developing them with a Belichick day-to-day.
Thanks!!! I was just going to post a picture of the table in the Bundesliga thread. I really can't believe that this is real.
So, let’s complain about VAR outside of England. Juventus just got fucked the hardest I have ever seen. They scored a 95’ winner with the last kick of the game, only to have it disallowed.
Here’s a screenshot of the lines they drew:
Clearly off, right?
They fucking forgot the player that was defending the short corner:
It was the last touch of the game, too.
Here’s a screenshot of the lines they drew:
Clearly off, right?
They fucking forgot the player that was defending the short corner:
It was the last touch of the game, too.
It’s hard to feel bad for Juventus, who have received their fair share of generous calls through the years. Having said that, this is the whole of VAR, to make sure a real screwup is cleaned up not if a player is fractions offsides. Replay in all sports, save tennis, sucks the life out of a game and instead of getting better it’s getting worse.
NGL, I had to look up highlights to figure out which team was wearing which strip. With that out of the way, WAIT WHAT?!?
It's nearly impossible to be in an offside position on a corner taken directly into the box, since the attacking player has to be ahead of the last 2 defensive players (important on corners, so let's use the official rules) AND the ball WHEN the ball is played. So unless the attacker is on the goal line when the ball is played, it seems like that element isn't met.
It's nearly impossible to be in an offside position on a corner taken directly into the box, since the attacking player has to be ahead of the last 2 defensive players (important on corners, so let's use the official rules) AND the ball WHEN the ball is played. So unless the attacker is on the goal line when the ball is played, it seems like that element isn't met.
So, WTF??
They claimed Bonucci interfered with the play by making an attempt. Doesn't matter, since he wasn't offside, except with camera that doesn't show Candreva.
Imo there should be no offsides in the 6
And we need to move to daylight offsides and whatever system they were using in CL
And we need to move to daylight offsides and whatever system they were using in CL
I'm honestly a little confused at how this fuckup occurred. Its a computer program that draws the lines automatically based on imaging, right? How does it miss an entire player? Sure he was on the other side of the field but that happens all the time in offsides calls (ie, the LB plays somebody on who charges down the opposite wing). Surely the system is designed to scan the entire width of the field.
I don't think a computer program draws the images. It always looks to me like a human draws the lines with the computer making sure they're perfectly parallel to the end lines regardless of the angle of the frame and the human just puts a line for the farthest player on each side.
No English links yet, but the Italian version of the FA has dug in that the decision was correct. Seems like a silly position to take given the evidence.
When I named this thread, I assumed VAR was so much more sanely officiated elsewhere. I guess Serie A gave me the old "hold my Chianti".
And, to be fair, this is a far more procedural/technological oversight/fuckup. This isn’t human error to the degree we see week in/week out in England.
Maybe I'm being dense, but there's only one touch from a Juve player after the cross, correct? IOW, it's just the header. So how can Milik be offside when the ball was played from the corner?? Like, why are you all talking about a defender who wasn't acknowledged? The ball position on the corner should be dispositive, right?
But this highlights the main issue with var. it’s a system of false precision which affects match outcomes just as much as refereeeing ever did. They haven’t improved the game one iota with it because it isn’t speedy enough compared to a human and hasn’t produced an accuracy which makes the waiting and indecision worth it.
The UCL var with the fake people and the line shows promise because they’ve brought in enough tech to take some of the arbitrary nature of it out but it is only bringing us back to toenail offsides.
As with every non tennis sport, it has turned sports fans into armchair lawyers because the rules were intended to be interpreted by humans who had an unspoken but very real credit/reputation system which often drove me absolutely nuts but remains sort of a part of the game. Computers can’t save us from the need for human officials who are considering the totality of the match, remembers the very questionable tackle 23 minutes ago that led to an equally questionable response later which might have allowed a ref to pull both players aside and tell them they’re even and to drop it. Instead we will analyze film of stuff like that like the Zapruder film and take all the ability for a good ref to manager a game out then wonder why we don’t have any good refs anymore.
This stuff has always been and will continue to be garbage until they use video for retrospective punishment on dives, clear offside calls with a healthy margin of error, and yet another complete rewrite of the handball rule that contemplates the fact there will regularly be clear video evidence of a ball striking a hand and that that alone can’t be a sufficient reason to call handball. In all honesty I don’t think anything but a direct red given by the ref should be reviewable in match. Dives and missed reds (or yellows that should have been red) should all be handled after match and yes sometimes teams will gain an advantage but sometimes teams are gaining an advantage now.
The UCL var with the fake people and the line shows promise because they’ve brought in enough tech to take some of the arbitrary nature of it out but it is only bringing us back to toenail offsides.
As with every non tennis sport, it has turned sports fans into armchair lawyers because the rules were intended to be interpreted by humans who had an unspoken but very real credit/reputation system which often drove me absolutely nuts but remains sort of a part of the game. Computers can’t save us from the need for human officials who are considering the totality of the match, remembers the very questionable tackle 23 minutes ago that led to an equally questionable response later which might have allowed a ref to pull both players aside and tell them they’re even and to drop it. Instead we will analyze film of stuff like that like the Zapruder film and take all the ability for a good ref to manager a game out then wonder why we don’t have any good refs anymore.
This stuff has always been and will continue to be garbage until they use video for retrospective punishment on dives, clear offside calls with a healthy margin of error, and yet another complete rewrite of the handball rule that contemplates the fact there will regularly be clear video evidence of a ball striking a hand and that that alone can’t be a sufficient reason to call handball. In all honesty I don’t think anything but a direct red given by the ref should be reviewable in match. Dives and missed reds (or yellows that should have been red) should all be handled after match and yes sometimes teams will gain an advantage but sometimes teams are gaining an advantage now.
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They’re saying Bonucci’s attempt to play the ball interfered with the keeper or something. That part of the call would have been terrible if he was offside. The fact it’s immaterial because of Candreva is masking that issue.
Despite the avalanche of boos I hear from Union fans when the VAR official is announced, I have almost no concern with how it's been used in the Bundesliga, and view it as a net positive. Yeah, it's not perfect, but it's better than the alternative as implemented in Germany.
In the "Craziest conspiracy theories you could buy" thread in P&G, I should post something about a bribe being paid to the Italian referees' association by the English referees' association, and that Juve goal being disallowed just to make the Premier League's application of VAR seem in line with what's happening in the rest of Europe.
Ah OK. That makes it plausible, although as you said the man marking the short corner keeps him on.
Given that the keeper is focused on the header, Bonucci is out of the eye line, and the keeper never reacts to Bonucci's presence, it would have been a bad call anyway. That's a moot point. He was onside by 20" by most estimates.
We’re going to see this all season, aren’t we?
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xcl6up/empoli_01_roma_paulo_dybala_18/
https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/xcl6up/empoli_01_roma_paulo_dybala_18/
- VAR
- you can’t cheer for a goal or a great defensive tackle in the box because VAR can take it away. This isn’t arguable , it’s a fact. What you see isn’t what you get.
- the fact they can take it away with rubbish, imprecise, faulty bogus technology makes it even worse.
- the fact they can take it away with another, totally subjective opinion from the VAR ref who has no feel for the flow of the game , or based on rubbish arbitrary rules not based on actual human motion makes it beyond worse.
What, the fuck is the point? Quite frankly, it is NOT more important to get the call right as opposed to killing the spontaneity of the game. Given the fact it adds precisely nothing to the enjoyment of the game (and does the exact opposite) I don’t see the point.
- you can’t cheer for a goal or a great defensive tackle in the box because VAR can take it away. This isn’t arguable , it’s a fact. What you see isn’t what you get.
- the fact they can take it away with rubbish, imprecise, faulty bogus technology makes it even worse.
- the fact they can take it away with another, totally subjective opinion from the VAR ref who has no feel for the flow of the game , or based on rubbish arbitrary rules not based on actual human motion makes it beyond worse.
What, the fuck is the point? Quite frankly, it is NOT more important to get the call right as opposed to killing the spontaneity of the game. Given the fact it adds precisely nothing to the enjoyment of the game (and does the exact opposite) I don’t see the point.
