Murray... Present (in the NFL)

moondog80

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I don't think Murray looks bad at all. Oakland knew the risks. MLB teams have so much disproportionate power over young players, I don't begrudge the kids at all for playing by those rules to a teams' detriment.
The A’s used a top 10 pick on him, they won’t be getting that back. You don’t think he should have at least acknowledged them in his statement?
 

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Why should Murray care about the loss of a pick? He didn't create MLB draft rules.

Murray didn't do anything wrong. Oakland knew he was going to make a decision, and he did. Murray pays back most of his bonus and moves on. I think eyes were wide open on all counts. Just business.
 

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The A’s used a top 10 pick on him, they won’t be getting that back. You don’t think he should have at least acknowledged them in his statement?
I can see Murray's side to it.

I'm sticking to football and this is the first step in that direction. Nothing else matters, not even the MLB draft. But I'm going to show a future NFL club that I'm 100% committed to football.

Now, the above is 100% made up by me, but I could definitely see that as a reason.
Getting to keep the $260,000 (or $210,000?), does seem weird, but I wonder if that was already paid to Boras & Co?
If so, whatever, I still think he should be on the hook to pay the entire thing back to Oakland and he should owe them that money. Once he's drafted and gets his signing bonus for the NFL, pay the remainder back. Shouldn't get to keep that essentially 7 month salary, which is way more than most people make in a year.
 

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Why should Murray care about the loss of a pick? He didn't create MLB draft rules.

Murray didn't do anything wrong. Oakland knew he was going to make a decision, and he did. Murray pays back most of his bonus and moves on. I think eyes were wide open on all counts. Just business.
I think we all understand that Murray is within his legal rights. The question is whether he could have simply acknowledged the unique opportunity given to him by the A's, who lose a very tangible asset out of this.
 

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He could have, and maybe he did privately. But beyond his legal rights, I don't think there is a moral or ethical boundary he crossed.
 

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I don't think Murray looks bad at all. Oakland knew the risks. MLB teams have so much disproportionate power over young players, I don't begrudge the kids at all for playing by those rules to a teams' detriment.
Oakland knew the risks and looks terrible here. This is hardly scientific, but I just looked through a few mock drafts from June (CBS, MLB.com, Fangraphs) and none of them projected Murray as a first-round pick. The uncertainty about which sport he'd play probably had a lot to do with that. But then Oakland makes him a top-10 pick, hoping that and the bigger signing bonus gets him to commit to baseball. So he signs and then... you let him play football anyway? What was the potential upside of that?
 

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At least we’ve moved off from, “Murray looks bad here because he fucked over the next two sport kid and hurt the As,” to, “He really should have said something nice about the As.”
 

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You’re right. People should only do what they are contractually obligated to do.

That said, if he’s available at #32, I will be very excited.
 

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The A’s drafted him and signed a contract allowing him to play out his collegiate football eligibility and preserve the ability to play pro football.

Sometimes, you get a Jeff Samardzija that elects to play baseball. Sometimes, you don’t.

Tough shit/lol boo hoo. Their relief is getting the signing bonus back.
 

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He keeps about $260K ... and never bothers to mention the A's (not even a quick "thanks, but ..") in his statement. Weak sauce.

Maybe he'll send them a fruit basket
This says he keeps nothing. Every penny goes back and what was due in March is forfeited.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25973188/kyler-murray-says-fully-committed-being-nfl-quarterback

Boras likely also gets nothing. He does not do football. Expect Murray to transition to an established NFL agent.

As are playing this smart with high road approach.
 

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This says he keeps nothing. Every penny goes back and what was due in March is forfeited.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2019/story/_/id/25973188/kyler-murray-says-fully-committed-being-nfl-quarterback

Boras likely also gets nothing. He does not do football. Expect Murray to transition to an established NFL agent.

As are playing this smart with high road approach.
I think you’re misreading it, this is what it says:

“Murray will return $1.29 million of the $1.5 million signing bonus money the A's gave him last year, a source told ESPN's Jeff Passan. Murray forfeits the remaining $3.16 million, due March 1. “

So he keeps 210K, if that’s correct.
 

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I think you’re misreading it, this is what it says:

“Murray will return $1.29 million of the $1.5 million signing bonus money the A's gave him last year, a source told ESPN's Jeff Passan. Murray forfeits the remaining $3.16 million, due March 1. “

So he keeps 210K, if that’s correct.
My error. Thanks for correction.
 

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Oakland knew the risks and looks terrible here. This is hardly scientific, but I just looked through a few mock drafts from June (CBS, MLB.com, Fangraphs) and none of them projected Murray as a first-round pick. The uncertainty about which sport he'd play probably had a lot to do with that. But then Oakland makes him a top-10 pick, hoping that and the bigger signing bonus gets him to commit to baseball. So he signs and then... you let him play football anyway? What was the potential upside of that?
This is a pretty good point that hardly ever gets mentioned. A quick search tells me that BA had Murray as the 77th best player in the draft, MLB had him 36th, Fangraphs had him 20th. So the Athletics took a risk on a player that was ranked a lot lower than 9th based on talent alone (and I know these are just three sources and don’t tell us how the Athletics had him ranked internally, they could have had him first, sevent, or fortieth, whatever) and then to just let him go play football is just a backfire that they really brought on themselves even if they didn’t expect him to go and win the Heisman trophy.
 

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Boras is having a pretty disastrous few months, he has a ton of unsigned guys still including Harper.
Curious if Murray owes Boras his fees out of the returned money. Boras worked for him as a de facto employee for upwards of a year. Boras loses the short term commission and the commission on a presumably lucrative 15+ year career.