All good. The Red Sox haven't made me miserable since Game 7 of the ALCS in 2003, but it's ok if Ras thinks I am.Man, this is incredibly condescending and pretty shitty overall. His post isn’t even that miserable in the first place
All good. The Red Sox haven't made me miserable since Game 7 of the ALCS in 2003, but it's ok if Ras thinks I am.Man, this is incredibly condescending and pretty shitty overall. His post isn’t even that miserable in the first place
And based upon how the Red Sox have been operating the past few years, I don't expect either Campbell or Anthony to break camp with the club. While this can certainly be rationalized as best setting up each player for success (not "rushing"), I think an equal (or even primary) motivationcan can be filed under service time manipulation. It's the smart, long-term play typically executed by smaller market teams. It also helps that it makes sense to give players such as Vaughn Grissom a legit shot to earn his place on the roster.The Rangers had Marcus Semien, Corey Seager, and Adolis Garcia to surround the rookies with. Wyatt Langford didn’t come up until last year. Evan Carter only was there the last month plus the playoffs. Jung did have a good year though. I don’t think the 2025 Sox lineup is nearly as good as that Rangers one to support multiple rookies and still be good enough to be a playoff team.
The second paragraph is exactly what I've been saying all winter.Shouldn't this be getting more attention here (if it's true)? Maybe something was lost in translation for Devers or he's got a bro operating his account and we shouldn't read much into it. But otherwise, this is materially different than what his agent, Breslow and Cora have been saying all winter, which was, "Devers is going to be at 3B."
If Bregman is signed and Devers moves to DH, instead of 1B, the resulting roster "problem" becomes easier to correct -- just trade and subsidize Yoshida for whatever you need to, even if it means waiting until spring training to prove he's healthy and wait for other teams to experience injuries (or maybe we'll have injuries). There would be no need to trade Casas and play Devers at a position he's never played before. That still leaves a competition at 2B and even a set outfield if Anthony or Campbell aren't ready to break camp.
Maybe they aren't. Maybe other teams are asking because he's a valuable commodity.Why do the RS seem so aggressive to move Casas.
What is the onfield reasons? Is it injuries. Why do I have a feeling that it’s more to do with the old school hard ass baseball guys(Cora) having no patience for the yoga/napping/painting nails/ becoming in game media superstar before he has proved it on the field, type of situation. If that’s the case it’s bad business by the RS.
Rice for Winfield would have been an amazing trade.Seconded ... although it's Beyond the Sixth Game
According to this @Chad Finn story, the Rice/Komminsk rumor was in a notes column:
https://www.boston.com/sports/commentary/2020/06/18/boston-sports-worst-almost-trades/
Because Yoshida sucks in the field, and also adding Alonso without any subtractions makes it harder work Anthony and Campbell into the lineup.Can I ask a question, and I'm sure it's been addressed, but why can't this team just sign Alonso (who appears amicable to a shorter deal), play him at DH and move Yoshida to LF. The lineup would be stellar, and if Anthony forces his way in, you can move Yoshida at the deadline.
CF - Duran
3B - Devers
DH - Alonso
1B - Casas
SS - Story
RF - Abreu
2B - Grissom / Campbell
LF - Yoshi
C - Wong
That's a pretty even lineup with plus hitting up and down it. Basically, are we overthinking this? Yes the defense in LF, 3B and 1B is questionable, but it looks pretty good up the middle. Catcher is clearly in need of an upgrade, but that as been discussed ad nauseam on this board, it's tough to see where that comes from.
This is funny, but Kevin is a good guy. My 12-year old takes pitching lessons with him.I wonder if he’d accept a stack of Kevin Mortons in a trade?
This.Because Yoshida sucks in the field, and also adding Alonso without any subtractions makes it harder work Anthony and Campbell into the lineup.
Alonso would make some sense if they moved Yoshida or Casas (or both). But with Boras calling the shots, he might not settle for the typical "3 years with an opt out" deal until late February, and that's a long time to hang in limbo for something that *might* happen. It's not like when they signed JDM in late February and just moved him into the more or less open DH slot. Acquiring Alonso would mean other significant moves to follow.
Ha, I just meant that I thought this was a new, meaningful development.We aren't wildly speculating hard enough for you already?
I think it's totally consistent with what we've heard from Devers any time he addresses the roster over the past few years. He's been begging for them to add MLB talent to the team. Is it a good idea or not, I'm not saying that at all. But every time Devers has spoken (or Tweeted or whatever), it's been about the relative "clarity" of the shortcomings of the roster and wanting to add proven MLB talent to it. This tracks.Ha, I just meant that I thought this was a new, meaningful development.
So Devers watched a minute and a half clip on twitter IN ENGLISH of a couple of muppets talking with some wierd cuts, words on the screen, and a pretty indistinguishable argument with those words (for me) and then processed it beyond "WTF are they talking about,?"and hit like. Or he (or whomever runs his account) scrolled, saw video of he, Arenado, and Bregman playing baseball, and hit like and kept scrolling.I think it's totally consistent with what we've heard from Devers any time he addresses the roster over the past few years. He's been begging for them to add MLB talent to the team. Is it a good idea or not, I'm not saying that at all. But every time Devers has spoken (or Tweeted or whatever), it's been about the relative "clarity" of the shortcomings of the roster and wanting to add proven MLB talent to it. This tracks.
His son played for UConn - cant recall if last year was his final year. Hell of a ballplayer for us.This is funny, but Kevin is a good guy. My 12-year old takes pitching lessons with him.
On it's own, means nothing.So Devers watched a minute and a half clip on twitter IN ENGLISH of a couple of muppets talking with some wierd cuts, words on the screen, and a pretty indistinguishable argument with those words (for me) and then processed it beyond "WTF are they talking about,?"and hit like. Or he (or whomever runs his account) scrolled, saw video of he, Arenado, and Bregman playing baseball, and hit like and kept scrolling.
Sure he has said that in the past, its good for his image and he might even believe it. I'm contending him liking that tweet is very unlikely to mean anything.On it's own, means nothing.
Taken in context with his stance from :
2023 trade deadline https://nesn.com/2023/07/red-soxs-rafael-devers-has-strong-stance-on-trade-deadline-needs/
2024 team https://www.mlb.com/news/rafael-devers-on-state-of-2024-red-sox-roster
It tracks that he wants the team to add more MLB talent and would probably at least not chase down Craig Breslow and Alex Cora with a folding chair and a crazy gleam in his eye if it meant him moving off 3b.
Did you watch the clip? Its like Clockwork Orange.Not sure why the English thing matters. Devers understands English perfectly and speaks it well. He chooses to do interviews in Spanish through the interpreter to avoid miscommunications or misunderstandings.
Devers has previously hinted at wanting them to add guys, he might like the idea of Bregman in some capacity. Or he liked it ironically.So Devers watched a minute and a half clip on twitter IN ENGLISH of a couple of muppets talking with some wierd cuts, words on the screen, and a pretty indistinguishable argument with those words (for me) and then processed it beyond "WTF are they talking about,?"and hit like. Or he (or whomever runs his account) scrolled, saw video of he, Arenado, and Bregman playing baseball, and hit like and kept scrolling.
That's fair. But many posters are so quick to point out what his agent, or the FO, says as gospel that Devers couldn't possibly even remotely consider moving off 3b that submitting contradictory (and equally circumstantial) evidence should be fair game.Sure he has said that in the past, its good for his image and he might even believe it. I'm contending him liking that tweet is very unlikely to mean anything.
It was Gammons, so only he would know the ratio of reality to speculation there.Seconded ... although it's Beyond the Sixth Game
According to this @Chad Finn story, the Rice/Komminsk rumor was in a notes column:
https://www.boston.com/sports/commentary/2020/06/18/boston-sports-worst-almost-trades/
Rafael Devers is a $300 Million business. With a team who's number 1 priority is realizing that $300M. Him "wanting" to play 3rd is whats best for the team right now. It might not be by the time spring training comes, next year or 3 years from now. Him preferring one thing or another is fine, as long as it doesn't effect Devers corp's top priority. I sincerely doubt he was making a statement by liking a goofy tweet.That's fair. But many posters are so quick to point out what his agent, or the FO, says as gospel that Devers couldn't possibly even remotely consider moving off 3b that submitting contradictory (and equally circumstantial) evidence should be fair game.
I'm fine with consistency. It all matters equally, or none of it matters at all. (I tend to believe the latter.)
Did he say what it's going to be about?It was Gammons, so only he would know the ratio of reality to speculation there.
By the way, he's working on another book. Every once in a while I get an email from him saying something like, "Can you find a Globe magazine story I wrote on Frank Robinson managing in Puerto Rico in 1973?" Always makes my day to get those requests.
Here is what Devers' agent said.That's fair. But many posters are so quick to point out what his agent, or the FO, says as gospel that Devers couldn't possibly even remotely consider moving off 3b that submitting contradictory (and equally circumstantial) evidence should be fair game.
I'm fine with consistency. It all matters equally, or none of it matters at all. (I tend to believe the latter.)
I think it's OK to draw a distinction between a statement like that from a player's agent and the player clicking "like" on some social media video. I don't agree that either those two things matter equally or they don't matter at all.“He is a third baseman, and he will continue to play third base and work hard to get better at it. That’s his position, that’s what he likes to play, and that’s what he will be playing. At least in the near future, that’s where he will be. Down the road, it’s hard to say. But as of right now, in the near future, he is a third baseman.”
For the win!You said Tony Soprano never had the makings of a varsity athlete. Pretty uncalled for IMO.
Not sure why you put "Sure thing" in quotation marks and said it over and over again in response to "perfomance probability measure with varying ranges" and "higher likelihood of hitting upper end of expectations for a longer time" quantifying probabilities is literally understanding something is not a sure thing.
Devers just “liked” a post placing Bregman at 3rd base and him as DHHere is what Devers' agent said.
I think it's OK to draw a distinction between a statement like that from a player's agent and the player clicking "like" on some social media video. I don't agree that either those two things matter equally or they don't matter at all.
Correct.Devers just “liked” a post placing Bregman at 3rd base and him as DH
He liked the Spanish translation of the video too.Another post, or is this conversation now a loop?
From NESN:Here is what Devers' agent said.
I think it's OK to draw a distinction between a statement like that from a player's agent and the player clicking "like" on some social media video. I don't agree that either those two things matter equally or they don't matter at all.
Seems like a memoir of his baseball life. The requests are varied. Last one was for Tiant's 2-hitter over Toronto to force the '78 playoff.Did he say what it's going to be about?
Because even if it's just an omnibus of all of his Sunday Notes column, I'd pay top dollar for it.
Sons of Rick Waits (For One Day Only)Seems like a memoir of his baseball life. The requests are varied. Last one was for Tiant's 2-hitter over Toronto to force the '78 playoff.
I always argue that they didn't choke! Ripping off eight straight wins to make the playoffs after it all seemed to have caved in on them showed remarkable resilience.Sons of Rick Waits (For One Day Only)
(The period after the massacre and before the playoff could make its own book).
Much like the 03 team, the 78 team got within a win of going to the World Series despite of their manager.I always argue that they didn't choke! Ripping off eight straight wins to make the playoffs after it all seemed to have caved in on them showed remarkable resilience.
Still think Zimmer sucked, though.
You must have been a joy 50 years ago telling people the Red Sox were going nowhere if they gave 500 ABs to Rice and Lynn.If the Sox give Anthony and Campbell 500+ big leagues at bats each this year, I don’t think they’ll equal 81 wins. They might but I think they’ll take a step backwards.
The year I became a Red Sox fan. The close of the '78 season was incredibly dramatic.Much like the 03 team, the 78 team got within a win of going to the World Series despite of their manager.
The boxscore of that Tiant game is a great look back.
Brohammer!
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS197810010.shtml
Remind me of how many World Series they won with Rice and LynnYou must have been a joy 50 years ago telling people the Red Sox were going nowhere if they gave 500 ABs to Rice and Lynn.
I am *not* saying that Rafael Devers will never move off third. What I am saying is that it's silly, in my mind, to compare a clear and unambiguous statement from a player's agent with that player liking a video on social media. I do not agree that either they matter equally or they don't matter at all. That is the only thing I was reacting to.From NESN:
https://nesn.com/2022/11/xander-bogaerts-agent-scott-boras-shoots-down-rumor-red-sox/
Speaking of which, The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal reported Tuesday, citing major league sources, that San Diego Padres general manager A.J. Preller recently asked Boras whether Bogaerts would be willing to play infield positions other than shortstop. But Boras denied that report, as well.
"Xander is playing shortstop," Boras told Rosenthal.
From Mass Live
“No one is going to Xander Bogaerts and asking him to play anything other than shortstop,” Boras said.
https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2022/11/xander-bogaerts-rumors-scott-boras-says-red-sox-free-agents-interest-all-at-ss-report.html
One baseball season later, Bogaerts is at 2b.
For the record, I'm 99.9% certain that the Red Sox lineup against RHPs for the next three seasons (injuries aside) will be Casas at 1b, Devers at 3b and Yoshida at DH. I just don't think it's because Devers refuses to move off 3b.
You may not know but does it seem like it could be out this year? I don’t want to be standing outside my bookstore for nothing.Seems like a memoir of his baseball life. The requests are varied. Last one was for Tiant's 2-hitter over Toronto to force the '78 playoff.
Why no misery 2010-2015? Only one year in playoffs, many last place finishes, miserable finish in 2011 worse than anything the last 2 years (and led to Bobby V).All good. The Red Sox haven't made me miserable since Game 7 of the ALCS in 2003, but it's ok if Ras thinks I am.
Whether or not Rice could be counted on to stay healthy was a hot topic on the Sons of Pete Runnels newsletter.Remind me of how many World Series they won with Rice and Lynn
Crazy that they had .294 OBP Rick Burleson leading off with Fred Lynn hitting sixth with a .380 OBP.Much like the 03 team, the 78 team got within a win of going to the World Series despite of their manager.
The boxscore of that Tiant game is a great look back.
Brohammer!
https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS197810010.shtml
I mean the fact that you didn’t even enjoy the ‘75 Sox toppling MLB’s reigning dynasty and getting within one egregiously awful call of beating a 108 win juggernaut is telling.Remind me of how many World Series they won with Rice and Lynn
Mostly because they won in 04. It doesn't mean I haven't been frustrated with the team since then but 03 was misery.Why no misery 2010-2015? Only one year in playoffs, many last place finishes, miserable finish in 2011 worse than anything the last 2 years (and led to Bobby V).
You were happy because they signed FA’s (some of the worst). Or did one very unexpected title go a long way?
Well I wasn't alive.I mean the fact that you didn’t even enjoy the ‘75 Sox toppling MLB’s reigning dynasty and getting within one egregiously awful call of beating a 108 win juggernaut is telling.
Must’ve been a down year for rooster- his batting average was over 290 the two years before…should they have moved him down in the lineup that year or let him ride based on the past two years……brings up the old question of whether a player is really his body of work or his most recent year’s numbers…what they’re presently debating about Bregman…Crazy that they had .294 OBP Rick Burleson leading off with Fred Lynn hitting sixth with a .380 OBP.
People didn't really understand baseball in 1978.
Too soon.I mean the fact that you didn’t even enjoy the ‘75 Sox toppling MLB’s reigning dynasty and getting within one egregiously awful call of beating a 108 win juggernaut is telling.
+1I always argue that they didn't choke! Ripping off eight straight wins to make the playoffs after it all seemed to have caved in on them showed remarkable resilience.
Still think Zimmer sucked, though.