Much like Newman, the Sox are not “Ready to deliver”– The 2025 Offseason News (& rumors?) Thread
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My first instinct would be the assume we are buckling in for a very long and drawn out (into at least late January at the min) game of chicken on Burnes as he holds out for one of Boston/SF/TOR to be his go 9 years sucker.
But I'm also curious to see how much of an impact not finding the big payday contracts last winter for Montgomery/Snell might potentially factor in to how Boras plays this hand out.
The conventional wisdom (and I basically agree with this) is that teams are unlikely to pick and keep a guy in MLB who hasn’t made it out of Single-A. You don’t see that many draft-and-stashes of developmental prospects these days.
But as we see on this board and elsewhere, the people who like Monegro love him, and it only takes one team to decide they love him. I guess I would be surprised but not shocked if he did get picked.
ESPN says Passan reports - Red Sox are finalizing a trade for Crochet.
If you do that Buehler is a good second addition.
Crochet
Buehler
Belo
Houck
Crawford/Giolito
If you do that Buehler is a good second addition.
Crochet
Buehler
Belo
Houck
Crawford/Giolito
How do you figure? Bello, Houck, Crawford, and Giolito are all under contract. Who gets bumped from the rotation to get that sixth starter?
If anything, wouldn't having Crochet supercheap for two seasons make you more likely to spend on a 1A for your 1B?
If anything this trade puts us in a much less stressful position to wait out Burnes.
I think both is still very much in play.
This is what bothers me so much, but no, they really didn't. Heading into the 2023 season they spent (roughly) $19m per year on Yoshida. $8m on one year of Turner (they also had a buyout), $10m on Kluber and $7m on Duvall and $8m on Martin. They could have spent $59m on guys that had an MLB track record or would have been part of the team for more than a season.
Going into 2022 they spent $5m on Rich Hill, $7m on Wacha, $3m on Strahm and $18m - factoring in both years for Jackie Bradley Jr (Hamilton and Binelas). That's $33m they could have spent elsewhere.
It's not that they haven't been spending, it's that they've been allocating the money they do spend on pieces that have done nothing to bolster the medium term of the franchise while staying relevant while waiting on prospects.
Seriously? We can't "bump" Crawford (who wasn't good for the last 2/3rd of the season) or Giolito (who... well, duh).
There's definitely no chance that we'll need a 6th starter during the year.
Why are we still playing this game?
I was thinking more about their decisions to part with the core of the 2018 team.
What makes me relieved about this trade is that it IS big. It seems too often in the last few years, we nibbled around the edges.
And it gives you more options if you want to add a second pitcher.
And Boston is still way below the luxury tax.
If you don't move Abreu, are you interested in Toescar?
my guess is that the red sox will deliver the exact same thing next season as they delivered this past season.they will make big offers to certain players that are lowball offers to players that they know wont come to boston.they will publicize the fact that they are all in on these players yet those players wouldnt even come to boston if we offered twice the money and half the years.the front office will appear that they are all in yet not a snowballs chance in hell of signing anyone good enuff to make a difference.we will probly trade a couple prospects for 35 to 40 year olds that are 4 or 5 years past their productive years.kinda like the pats did this year,the pats supposedly were all in on dhopkins...calvin ridley and tee higgins how long do henry and kraft think the fans will play this game and keep buying season tickets to teams that have no chance of competing.
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One thing I realized in looking back at the comments of various people associated with the Red Sox (which always is tough):
It's ownership that talks up the game about spending (Werner; Kennedy).
Breslow talked about delivering and sacrificing the future for the present, and I don't think he ever mentioned anything to do with spending. All of which lead to "trade" talk and not FA spending. Breslow got his guy and delivered, massive credit to him. I adore the trade and think it will be a win for both teams (because I really like Teel).
Crochet, Houck, Bello, Gio, Crawford is a much better rotation than the Sox have had in a looooooong time.
Also, to be fair, I think @chawson should get to change the thread title back. Breslow did exactly what he said he was going to do, and he was the "ready to deliver" quote. Werner and Kennedy still look tone deaf and I have no idea what Kennedy was thinking doing that in a sit down interview, but Breslow gets a pass as he delivered a bold move to make the 2025 and 2026 Red Sox a **** of a lot better.
It's ownership that talks up the game about spending (Werner; Kennedy).
Breslow talked about delivering and sacrificing the future for the present, and I don't think he ever mentioned anything to do with spending. All of which lead to "trade" talk and not FA spending. Breslow got his guy and delivered, massive credit to him. I adore the trade and think it will be a win for both teams (because I really like Teel).
Crochet, Houck, Bello, Gio, Crawford is a much better rotation than the Sox have had in a looooooong time.
Also, to be fair, I think @chawson should get to change the thread title back. Breslow did exactly what he said he was going to do, and he was the "ready to deliver" quote. Werner and Kennedy still look tone deaf and I have no idea what Kennedy was thinking doing that in a sit down interview, but Breslow gets a pass as he delivered a bold move to make the 2025 and 2026 Red Sox a **** of a lot better.
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Maybe? Teel feels like less than Mayer or Abreu (to me), but Montgomery feels like a lot more than Bleis or Hamilton.
I would say that it’s Mayer then Teel then Abreu (if I had to guess).
Montgomery and Meidroth are definitely more valuable than the 2nd and 3rd pieces we proposed.
Crochet set to make around $3 mil in arbitration this year per Cots. If he's willing to do an extension, does the CBA automatically re-value it for Luxury Tax purposes or could you get around that for 2025 like they did with Adrian Gonzalez?
A thought I just had I haven't seen here yet was what if they use the Burnes money to allocate for a Crochet extension. Then, go for/sign Sasaki in a full-court-press plan. Still 'no pitchers 30+' plan.
Edit: I know there's only so much they can give to Sasaki. ~$6.5MM?
But I guess Sasaki is likely SD/SF/LAD bound.
Edit: I know there's only so much they can give to Sasaki. ~$6.5MM?
But I guess Sasaki is likely SD/SF/LAD bound.
Boston now has 2 of the top 14 pitchers by WAR in the majors last year. PHI and SEA are the only two other teams that has 2 pitchers in the top 19.
I'm strongly in agreement on Montgomery, but Meidroth is a weird one. He's a divisive player whom I think some teams would value highly and others very little. I'm a big Meidroth skeptic, personally, so I am glad we found him a contact-obsessed landing spot. He fits right in with Nicky Lopez and Lenyn Sosa.
I live in Chicago, so I'll get a chance to see up close whether he can prove me wrong.
Were we bidding against anyone for Burnes? At some point there are others but with the chatter of him getting more than Fried it started to sound like the negotiations consisted of just squeezing the Sox because they were desperate. Not desperate anymore.
Oh also those teams selling one year of a guy, Framber or Cease? Now the price comes back down on that bullshit too. Great pitchers but if they are bound for free agency, then no top 25 prospects are going back for them.
Oh also those teams selling one year of a guy, Framber or Cease? Now the price comes back down on that bullshit too. Great pitchers but if they are bound for free agency, then no top 25 prospects are going back for them.
I think it was poor form to take that away from him anyways. There were already other threads for snark/dumping on the FO.
In light of the Teel trade, a deal with Atlanta for Sean Murphy makes a TON of sense. Massively upgrades C defense, and probably offense if his down year was an injury related aberration.
He’s got negative value on BTV, but not sure how he’d be valued in the real world, by ATL.
He’d be a fantastic pickup IMO. What would the Braves want for him?
He’s got negative value on BTV, but not sure how he’d be valued in the real world, by ATL.
He’d be a fantastic pickup IMO. What would the Braves want for him?
They have a hole in LF, Abreu could plug right in there, Kelenic notwithstanding.
Annoyed to lose Teel, although I would have been completely pissed off if they had traded one of the other three. But I wish they could have just spent money on someone.
Oh goody! So are the Pirates btw
So multiple non-Red Sox players hear about the deal and they immediately reach out to Carrabis? Huh?
Contrary to a lot current beliefs on this board I think ownership really does want and feel a need to walk out of this offseason making at least one higher end spending splash.
Rather see them wait out Burnes though, and even at the latter risk of that not actually materializing.
I mean, probably. But when guys have zero time on a professional diamond it’s tough to pimp them as the centerpiece.
It would be a little nuts, but I'd kind of like to see Scherzer signed now. He hasn't pitched much the last couple of years, but he's still been good when he has and he's a fun guy to root for. Maybe his healthy time would coincide with time missed by the other 5 pitchers in the rotation.
I really doubt Murphy costs as much as Abreu, tbh, he just came off an age 29 season where he was hurt and he hit way worse than Wong, and he's signed all the way through 2028. There's a real risk he's never the same offensive player again, and any deal for him will have to factor that in.
