Much like Newman, the Sox are not “Ready to deliver”– The 2025 Offseason News (& rumors?) Thread

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I like that TO, Adames, have come off the board. My biggest fear is a long term contract for an unspectacular player just clogs the space for the Big4; kinda like what Yoshida is doing now. Even if only two of the them sticks, when combined with Cases, Rafaela, Abreu, etc. this is is a young core to build around.
What we need is a #1 starter more than anything else.
 

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Fried is such an obvious fit on the Red Sox I feel like the Yankees are just driving his price up. And as close as he and Giolito are I don't think Fried would up and join the rival team if the money's comparable.
 

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“Per Speier in the Globe, the Red Sox offered Casas to an AL team for a pitcher. They have also offered trades with Abreu as the anchor, and others anchored by prospects.

Lots to read in here:
www.bostonglobe.com/2024/12/07/s...


https://bsky.app/profile/redsoxstats.bsky.social/post/3lcqz2ji4iz2q

Very curious who they offered up Casas for
Has to be Seattle no? They are the only ones with both pitchers worth Casas and in the window to benefit from him.

Edit - Gilbert or Kirby only though.
 

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“Per Speier in the Globe, the Red Sox offered Casas to an AL team for a pitcher. They have also offered trades with Abreu as the anchor, and others anchored by prospects.

Lots to read in here:
www.bostonglobe.com/2024/12/07/s...


https://bsky.app/profile/redsoxstats.bsky.social/post/3lcqz2ji4iz2q

Very curious who they offered up Casas for
Framber! Or someone on that level?
Has to be Seattle no? They are the only ones with both pitchers worth Casas and in the window to benefit from him.

Edit - Gilbert or Kirby only though.
Yeah, makes more sense.
 

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If they do trade Casas (and if so it'd better be good) Christian Walker is still out there :D
 

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Funny how 2-3 days ago Hernandez and company were in the process of finalizing a deal to keep him with the Dodgers.
Once again, that was a single report that no one else even bothered to check out
 

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Cotillo as of 2:02 pm today.

“As the baseball world descends upon the Hilton Anatole on Sunday ahead of the annual Winter Meetings, there’s an industry-wide feeling that Juan Soto’s free agency decision is imminent. And so far, there’s no reason to believe the Red Sox have been eliminated.”
Cotillo off the naughty list?
 

NickEsasky

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The absence of rage bait, pessimistic editorializing, or swipes at John Henry in that article has me kind of hopeful. I imagine he’d put those in if he could.
So if you like the content he’s good, if you don’t he isn’t. Got it.
 

chawson

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So if you like the content he’s good, if you don’t he isn’t. Got it.
We can talk about it in the media forum if you want. I think a lot of Masslive’s reporting is unnecessarily sensational and they know getting people angry drives engagement. Speier is not like that. Let’s move on, dude.
 

NickEsasky

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We can talk about it in the media forum if you want. I think a lot of Masslive’s reporting is unnecessarily sensational and they know getting people angry drives engagement. Speier is not like that. Let’s move on, dude.
I like Speier but let’s not pretend he’s not a front office mouthpiece. But sure we can move on.
 

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I did Google it, hence the edit to my post, but do you think maybe that's a bit of an overreaction to asking a question during a conversation on a message board?
 

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I did Google it, hence the edit to my post, but do you think maybe that's a bit of an overreaction to asking a question during a conversation on a message board?
I believe the overreaction is because this has been asked and refuted multiple times already, which would imply that those previous refutations have gone unread.
 

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People miss things, particularly in the context of the constant reporting, rumor and innuendo at this time of year. It was a simple question, I did in fact look it up almost immediately, and I would suggest it's still not necessary to get snotty about it.
 

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Has to be Seattle no? They are the only ones with both pitchers worth Casas and in the window to benefit from him.

Edit - Gilbert or Kirby only though.
If true, this should probably end any speculation about getting any of the Seattle pitchers (other than Hancock), because I’m hard-pressed to imagine them wanting any player that the Red Sox can offer more than Casas, who is exactly what they need, in their price range, and on their timeline (like you point out). If they won’t trade one of them for Casas, who would they trade him for?
 

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If true, this should probably end any speculation about getting any of the Seattle pitchers (other than Hancock), because I’m hard-pressed to imagine them wanting any player that the Red Sox can offer more than Casas, who is exactly what they need, in their price range, and on their timeline (like you point out). If they won’t trade one of them for Casas, who would they trade him for?
Two Casases? Casai? Casasi? Casas's?

Has there been indication from the Mariners that they're interested in moving one of their pitchers this winter? Or is all the speculation based on assumptions that they'd do the "obvious" thing and trade one of their many young starters to address their offense. They got 149 starts out of their top 5 last season. Maybe they don't want to break that up at all.
 

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Two Casases? Casai? Casasi? Casas's?

Has there been indication from the Mariners that they're interested in moving one of their pitchers this winter? Or is all the speculation based on assumptions that they'd do the "obvious" thing and trade one of their many young starters to address their offense. They got 149 starts out of their top 5 last season. Maybe they don't want to break that up at all.
It’s been pure speculation. Jerry D has even specifically said it isn’t happening! Or, well, he called it “Plan Z.” Potato potato. (That line doesn’t work written out.)
 

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It’s been pure speculation. Jerry D has even specifically said it isn’t happening! Or, well, he called it “Plan Z.” Potato potato. (That line doesn’t work written out.)
Everybody's got a price. There are countless of examples of stuff happening after an exec said that it would not.
 

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Everybody's got a price. There are countless of examples of stuff happening after an exec said that it would not.
Sure. But it would answer the question of "how is Casas not enough?" If both sides are looking for a deal, then a Casas for <insert Mariner pitcher here> proposal is probably viable because it can be equitable for both. But if the Mariners aren't interested in trading away a pitcher, they probably need to be overwhelmed by a trade offer to be moved to action. Casas alone probably isn't an overwhelming offer, and I can't imagine Breslow is at a stage of desperation where he feels he needs to blow DiPoto away to get Bryan Woo or George Kirby.
 

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I’m encouraged at the sense that they are actually going to spend some money this offseason, but I will remain skeptical until the press conferences.
Cross posted this from the Soto thread, bc I feel my response will fit better in here since it has very little to do with Soto.

I was encouraged. Like a lot of other people I bought into the different tone surrounding the team. Not just from Kennedy (bc who believes them anyway) but from the local and national reporters. Now here we are, and the interest kings seem to be back.

They apparently were in on Snell, Kikuchi and Adames. They were apparently in the thick of things for Crochet and aggressive in the trade market. Of course they landed none of those players, and are now just on the periphery for Crochet. Also seemingly one AL team has turned down an overture of Casas for young pitching.

They basically never sign top of the market free agent SP to cover their mid to late 30s on long term deals (as in 92% of the time they haven’t), and apparently have also now decided not to bother with mid tier rotation pitchers and instead waste dollars and seasons on guys that can only command one year deals.

On the hitting side, outside of seemingly taking Story bc nobody else wanted him or (even more concerning), targeting he and Yoshida and paying them both far more than the market was offering up.

I really want to be wrong (and to be clear, I think they are legitimately trying their hardest to get Soto), but I get the feeling we’re getting closer and closer to an off season of all one and two year deals to pieces like Patrick Corbin, Justin Turner and Chris Martin along with Chapman just do they can say they spent $40m ”improving the team” and headed straight toward an 82-80 campaign.

I really want to be wrong, but I see no chance they actually sign Fried or Burnes (and Nightengale saying they’re in on Fried makes me even more confident there is no shot there). Then they’ll convince themselves they’re better off with “flexibility” to sign Guerrero Jr next year, only to repeat this with situation - but losing out bc NYM give him x+$50m to either a) pair with Soto or b) make up for NOT getting Soto.
 

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Cross posted this from the Soto thread, bc I feel my response will fit better in here since it has very little to do with Soto.

I was encouraged. Like a lot of other people I bought into the different tone surrounding the team. Not just from Kennedy (bc who believes them anyway) but from the local and national reporters. Now here we are, and the interest kings seem to be back.

They apparently were in on Snell, Kikuchi and Adames.
The phrase "in on" does a lot of heavy lifting during this time of the year and has a shit ton of YMMV attached to it.
 

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I really want to be wrong, but I see no chance they actually sign Fried or Burnes (and Nightengale saying they’re in on Fried makes me even more confident there is no shot there). Then they’ll convince themselves they’re better off with “flexibility” to sign Guerrero Jr next year, only to repeat this with situation - but losing out bc NYM give him x+$50m to either a) pair with Soto or b) make up for NOT getting Soto.
Great post.

I totally feel you here. I’m wayyyyy down on the team due to ownership and philosophy shift since the Mookie trade. So much so that I’ve only bought tickets to only one game over the past three seasons (against my better judgement, but long story). I used to go to 15-20 a year.

Your pessimism is very well founded. I’m trying so hard to keep hope alive. As I mentioned in a previous post, they don’t need to hoist the Commissioner’s Trophy every year, but I’d really just like to watch some meaningful baseball after Labor Day. If anyone wants to call that a spoiled fan, have at it.
 

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Cross posted this from the Soto thread, bc I feel my response will fit better in here since it has very little to do with Soto.

I was encouraged. Like a lot of other people I bought into the different tone surrounding the team. Not just from Kennedy (bc who believes them anyway) but from the local and national reporters. Now here we are, and the interest kings seem to be back.

They apparently were in on Snell, Kikuchi and Adames. They were apparently in the thick of things for Crochet and aggressive in the trade market. Of course they landed none of those players, and are now just on the periphery for Crochet. Also seemingly one AL team has turned down an overture of Casas for young pitching.

They basically never sign top of the market free agent SP to cover their mid to late 30s on long term deals (as in 92% of the time they haven’t), and apparently have also now decided not to bother with mid tier rotation pitchers and instead waste dollars and seasons on guys that can only command one year deals.

On the hitting side, outside of seemingly taking Story bc nobody else wanted him or (even more concerning), targeting he and Yoshida and paying them both far more than the market was offering up.

I really want to be wrong (and to be clear, I think they are legitimately trying their hardest to get Soto), but I get the feeling we’re getting closer and closer to an off season of all one and two year deals to pieces like Patrick Corbin, Justin Turner and Chris Martin along with Chapman just do they can say they spent $40m ”improving the team” and headed straight toward an 82-80 campaign.

I really want to be wrong, but I see no chance they actually sign Fried or Burnes (and Nightengale saying they’re in on Fried makes me even more confident there is no shot there). Then they’ll convince themselves they’re better off with “flexibility” to sign Guerrero Jr next year, only to repeat this with situation - but losing out bc NYM give him x+$50m to either a) pair with Soto or b) make up for NOT getting Soto.
How about letting it all play out before you start killing them?
 

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They apparently were in on Snell, Kikuchi and Adames. They were apparently in the thick of things for Crochet and aggressive in the trade market. Of course they landed none of those players, and are now just on the periphery for Crochet. Also seemingly one AL team has turned down an overture of Casas for young pitching.
There have been 4 trades made in baseball this winter and the biggest name moved was Jonathan India. There has been no reporting of the Sox being turned down for anyone. The meetings start tomorrow and you're declaring we've already lost the offseason here.
 

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How about letting it all play out before you start killing them?
One would think that the Winter meetings have closed and the Sox stood idly by while watching player after player signing elsewhere while the reality is that the meetings haven't even officially opened. If Snell, O'Neill or Adames were high on your wish list I might understand a bit of angst, but pretty much all of the big names linked to the team are still in play.