Most impressive stat from Brady era

[Saints Rest]

Talking football after a Pats loss always bums me out. Doing so on a day when their QB1 might be injured and the future looks a bit bleak, makes me think back to the golden years.

This specific topic came to me while driving in my car this morning, listening to sports radio (NYC-area) talk about how debilitating it will be for Dallas to lose their QB1 in game 1. They talked about the Bengals losing Carson Palmer and a few other incidents. Oddly, they didn't mention the Pats losing TB12 in 2008. Coming off 18-1 and then going 11-5, but missing the playoffs. Going 18-0 that year (before The Scottish Game) is an event that had never happened before or since.

Then I thought of the Pats winning 21 in a row over 2003-2004, again, a streak without equal.
3 SB wins in 4 years.
8 AFC Championship game appearances in a row.

But surely there are others.

So what do you have?

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

He has more post-season wins (35) than like 10-15 teams have appearances. And those 35 wins are more than every team but 3. Patriots, Steelers and Cowboys.

He is 2nd all-time in QB playoff wins vs. the NFC.

 

[BaseballJones]

To me, it's that Tom Brady never played in a meaningless game (as in, a game where the team was actually officially out of the playoffs) as a starting QB of the Patriots.

The two years they missed the playoffs once he took over for Bledsoe were 2002, when they went 9-7 and missed out the last week on a tiebreaker, and then 2008, when he obviously missed the season with the injury.

How can a QB play his entire starting career - and of course it's carried over to his time with TB as well - of 20+ years and never, not once, play a truly "meaningless" game?

 

[tims4wins]

8 straight AFCCG for me.

 

[reggiecleveland]

Guys, hey guys
They lost one game let's not go all 80s Yankee fan, current Oilers fan living in the past.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

In 3 seasons worth of playoff games (47) his season average would be

61% Completion
4432 Yards (277/game)
30 TD
13 Int
12-4 record

Edit: I am obviously coming here from the viewpoint that the NFL as a whole is in the Brady Era, not just the Patriots.

 

[Ale Xander]

13 different players have caught a Super Bowl touchdown pass from him

 

[johnmd20]

He is 2nd all-time in QB playoff wins vs. the NFC.

This is the best stat.

 

[tims4wins]

He has more post-season wins (35) than like 10-15 teams have appearances. And those 35 wins are more than every team but 3. Patriots, Steelers and Cowboys.

He is 2nd all-time in QB playoff wins vs. the NFC.

Who is 1? Montana won 16 playoff games but 7 were against the AFC, right? Brady has the 6 SB wins plus 3 en route to the TB Super Bowl plus 1 last year for 10?

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Who is 1? Montana won 16 playoff games but 7 were against the AFC, right? Brady has the 6 SB wins plus 3 en route to the TB Super Bowl plus 1 last year for 10?

Favre had 12 (13 total, the one AFC playoff win coming in SB 31) - I think it’s him?

 

[cshea]

I think Brees has 18

Edit: Misread the stat. Brees has 18 total playoff starts.

 

[GoJeff!]

Steve Young has 12.

 

[Mystic Merlin]

Steve Young has 12.

Yes, this is the correct answer. I was going off an inaccurate wiki article when naming Favre.

 

[PC Drunken Friar]

Steve Young has 12.

It looks like I may have erred? Rogers has 11, as does Staubach. Young and Favre have 12 (did Young come in relief for any of those?)

 

[moondog80]

13 different players have caught a Super Bowl touchdown pass from him

Maybe the most impressive thing is that I'd have guessed this number to be higher.

 

[Euclis20]

The 2010-2019 Patriots won more games than any other team in a single decade, counting regular season and playoffs. It was the single best decade for any team in NFL history. Second place? That would be the 2000-2009 Patriots.

 

[cshea]

Maybe the most impressive thing is that I'd have guessed this number to be higher.

I think it's actually 14, unless I'm counting a score that wasn't a TD pass

David Patten
Mike Vrabel
Deion Branch
David Givens
Randy Moss
Danny Woodhead
Aaron Hernandez
Julian Edelman
Danny Amendola
Brandon LaFell
Rob Gronkowski
Chris Hogan
James White
Antonio Brown

 

[8slim]

13 AFCCG games, 9 Super Bowls, 6 titles.

Pick any one of those three as the most impressive stat, 'cuz they're all mindblowing.

 

[Ale Xander]

Maybe the most impressive thing is that I'd have guessed this number to be higher.

You can thank Strahan/Tuck/Spags and Aaron Donald for that I guess

Edit: pre-TB

 

[BaseballJones]

The 2010-2019 Patriots won more games than any other team in a single decade, counting regular season and playoffs. It was the single best decade for any team in NFL history. Second place? That would be the 2000-2009 Patriots.

 

[loshjott]

I think it's actually 14, unless I'm counting a score that wasn't a TD pass

David Patten
Mike Vrabel
Deion Branch
David Givens
Randy Moss
Danny Woodhead
Aaron Hernandez
Julian Edelman
Danny Amendola
Brandon LaFell
Rob Gronkowski
Chris Hogan
James White
Antonio Brown

AB wasn't with the Pats.

 

[cshea]

AB wasn't with the Pats.

Ah yeah, didn't realize the stat was just for his Pats days. Today has been a slog...

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Tom Brady has more NFC Championship Game wins at Lambeau Field than Aaron Rodgers.

 

[Archer1979]

Guys, hey guys
They lost one game let's not go all 80s Yankee fan, current Oilers fan living in the past.

We lose. We navel gaze!!! Until next week...

 

[SemperFidelisSox]

Brady is the only player left from the 2000 draft.

 

[Rudy's Curve]

It's obviously not in his favor, but it's mind-blowing Jake Delhomme had more yards of TD passes in one Super Bowl than Brady did in nine as a Patriot.

 

[Ferm Sheller]

Brady is the only player left from the 2000 draft.

And no one remains in the NFL from the 2001, 2002, and 2003 drafts.

 

[Bergs]

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This is my favorite.

 

[Commander Shears]

delete - whoops

 

[InstaFace]

The fact that Brady has had 3 hall-of-fame careers, in which any of the following chunks would readily have gotten him into the HOF on the first ballot, is pretty absurd to me. Who else could claim even 2? Maybe Barry Bonds or Bill Russell.

2000-2006: 3 super bowl titles in 4 years, and another epic AFCCG loss. If he gets Theisman'd the first week of 2007 he's a hall of famer.
2007-2014: Perfect regular season, 2 MVPs, 5 straight years of 12+ wins, capped by a SB title on the most dramatic finish in SB history.
2015-2021: 4 SBs in 5 years (3 titles), did it with 2 different teams, one MVP at age 40, runner-up for MVP at age 44.

I'm not sure Joe Montana 1979-1987, 2 SB titles, 4 top-5 MVP finishes, gets in. Frankly I'm not sure Joe Montana 1988-1994 gets in either, but back-to-back MVPs and back-to-back SB titles and two more NFCCGs is probably a sufficient case given the QB standards.

 

[worm0082]

From Reddit:

Brady is 1-0 since choosing football over his family.

 

[lexrageorge]

50....

....being the number of pass attempts that usually means a team loses a game. Often such attempts mean the team is playing from behind, or the running game was not working at all. Below is the career combined regular season and playoff record of QB's ( with playoffs in parens) when they have been forced to hoist the ball 50+ times in a game. Which one does not belong with the others?

Patrick Mahomes: 2-2
Peyton Manning: 4-13
Russell Wilson: 0-2
Josh Allen: 0-2
Aaron Rodgers: 3-6
Drew Brees: 5-15 (0-2)
Ben Roethlisberger: 4-12 (0-2)
Justin Herbert: 0-3
Dan Marino: 5-11 (0-2)
Joe Montana: 2-3
Tom Brady: 22-11 (6-3)

Game manager my ass. /s

 

[Seels]

I think there are so many from the 2010-2019 run, realistically they're just a couple plays away from 5 super bowl wins in a row. If they don't have the entire team get injured in 2015 I'm 100% convinced they threepeat, and SB52 was various areas away from being another one.

I'll pick 8 conference championship games in a row. I think there are a couple teams that went to 4, but the Pats made it to 8.

Either that or outside of Manning Favre Brees Roethlisberger Elway and Marino, you can add any two quarterbacks in history and not reach Brady's wins. As impressive as the Montana?Young era was, Brady has 44 more wins than both of them combined.Manning is the guy in 2nd place. Assuming Brady wins one more game this year, he'll be able to fit Tony Romo's entire career on top of Peyton's. He's just a few shy of 3x Roger Staubach's career, and about 20 shy of 4x Kurt Warner.

His HOFm score on football reference is about as much as Brees and Dan Marino combined, and just a few points shy as much as Montana and Young combined.

Steve Young has 8 playoff wins and Joe Montana has 16. You could take those two and still add any of Aikman / Staubach / Rodgers (11) before you get to Brady at 35.

Gretzky has a lot of those crazy stats but I truly think Brady's are crazier as they're more spread out. Brady has peak as among the best ever, but no one played longer, and no one had more success. And honestly? They probably should have won more. The Pats had a point differential of over 150 10 times in the era (and in the 140s two more times). For comparison sake, the Cowboys have only done it 8 times in their history, the Steelers have only done it 4 times. The recent KC team hasn't done it. The packers have done it 9 times but 5 times were pre-merger. They were first in point differential 7 times in the era. They had an SRS above 10 (which is usually good enough to be the best team in the league) 8 times (9 if we include 2016 as Brady missed the four games).

Never going to see dominance like it but the shortest/simplest way os that he just went to the championship so damn often. 17-7 in league championship and superbowl games. A 70.8 winning percentage is just under Montana's lifetime winning percentage, and above Manning's.

 

[BaseballJones]

I’ve said this for a long time now and of course it’s just keeps getting truer. While it’s fair to debate who is the “best” QB ever (it’s still Brady but one can at least make arguments for others), there is no doubt that Tom Brady is the greatest winner (as a player) in the history of pro football, and it’s not even close. Like….. Bears over Pats in SB XX kind of not close. That’s not debatable. It’s factual and objectively true.

And since winning is the point of it all……. Yeah.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Pro Football Reference uses something called Approximate Value as their rough version of WAR. It is cumulative, like WAR.

Spots 2-12 for all time leaders in AV are:

Brees 277
P. Manning 271
Favre 259
Rice 251
Tarkenton 233
Reggie White 231
Bruce Smith 229
Ray Lewis 224
P. Rivers 218
Rodgers 218
Marino 216

Look at all those names. Great, otherworldly players, all of them. Fairly well bunched in AV.

Brady is at 316. With another season to go.

 

[Zososoxfan]

Pro Football Reference uses something called Approximate Value as their rough version of WAR. It is cumulative, like WAR.

Spots 2-12 for all time leaders in AV are:

Brees 277
P. Manning 271
Favre 259
Rice 251
Tarkenton 233
Reggie White 231
Bruce Smith 229
Ray Lewis 224
P. Rivers 218
Rodgers 218
Marino 216

Look at all those names. Great, otherworldly players, all of them. Fairly well bunched in AV.

Brady is at 316. With another season to go.

Rivers' inclusion on this list makes me like it a whole lot less.

 

[BaseballJones]

Bill Simmons conceived of the idea of tiers for the hall of fame. Like in baseball, there's no way that Harold Baines should be considered an equal to Willie Mays. Both are in the HOF, but, I mean, they're WORLDS apart.

If there was such a thing for football, there'd be:

- Fringe HOFers tier
- Normal HOFers tier
- Inner circle HOFers tier
- The Tom Brady tier (consisting only of Tom Brady)

 

[BaseballJones]

This is what Tom Brady has done *SINCE TURNING 40*:

82 g, 61-21 (.744), 2,037-3,120 (65.3%), 23,150 yds, 7.4 y/a, 169 td, 52 int, 98.5 rating, 10-3 postseason, 3 conference championships, 2 SB titles, 3 Pro Bowls, 1 league MVP, 1 SB MVP

That's a HOF career all by itself.

 

[Ale Xander]

Bill Simmons conceived of the idea of tiers for the hall of fame. Like in baseball, there's no way that Harold Baines should be considered an equal to Willie Mays. Both are in the HOF, but, I mean, they're WORLDS apart.

If there was such a thing for football, there'd be:

- Fringe HOFers tier
- Normal HOFers tier
- Inner circle HOFers tier
- The Tom Brady tier (consisting only of Tom Brady)

What about Rice?
He’s arguably more ahead of his other position mates than Brady is, at least if you go by AV

 

[BaseballJones]

What about Rice?
He’s arguably more ahead of his other position mates than Brady is, at least if you go by AV

Rice is in the inner circle tier. He's not Tom Brady.

 

[Spelunker]

What about Rice?

He’s arguably more ahead of his other position mates than Brady is, at least if you go by AV

So you're saying he's the Tom Brady of receivers?

 

[Ed Hillel]

Brady has more SB wins than all other active QBs combined. That blows my mind.

 

[Van Everyman]

It’s not a “stat” per se but the Mac injury reminds me of the fact that the only games that Brady missed as a starter from 2001 to 2019 were the 15.75 games in 2008 when he tore his ACL (#DFG doesn’t count).

Given the violence of the sport and longevity, to me that is unquestionably the most insane factoid of any in the Brady era.

 

[BaseballJones]

Let's say Brady retires after this season and ends up with these numbers (roughly):

89,000 pass yards
651 touchdown passes
255 regular season wins
a 37-13 postseason record
14 championship game appearances
10 Super Bowl appearances
7 Super Bowl wins
5 Super Bowl MVPs

Of all these incredible Brady records and achievements, which one do you think someone will come closest to reaching, and who will it be? Here's the closest to each of these that's currently playing, and then I'll add Mahomes in there too, because...Mahomes:

Pass Yards: Matt Ryan, 61,111 (~28,000 from Brady) - Mahomes, 20,389 (~69,000 from Brady)
Pass TDs: Aaron Rodgers, 457 (~194 from Brady) - Mahomes, 166 (~485 from Brady)
Regular season wins: Rodgers, 145 (~105 from Brady) - Mahomes, 54 (~201 from Brady)
Postseason wins: Rodgers, 11 (~26 from Brady) - Mahomes, 8 (~29 from Brady)
CG appearances: Rodgers, 5 (9 from Brady) - Mahomes, 4 (10 from Brady)
SB appearances: Mahomes/Wilson, 2 (8 from Brady)
SB wins: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Stafford, Foles, 1 (6 from Brady)
SB MVPs: Mahomes, Rodgers, Foles, 1 (4 from Brady)

Is the obvious answer that Mahomes is the only guy with any kind of shot at some of these numbers? (I think some of them have ZERO chance of being reached or surpassed)

 

[Van Everyman]

Let's say Brady retires after this season and ends up with these numbers (roughly):

89,000 pass yards
651 touchdown passes
255 regular season wins
a 37-13 postseason record
14 championship game appearances
10 Super Bowl appearances
7 Super Bowl wins
5 Super Bowl MVPs

Of all these incredible Brady records and achievements, which one do you think someone will come closest to reaching, and who will it be? Here's the closest to each of these that's currently playing, and then I'll add Mahomes in there too, because...Mahomes:

Pass Yards: Matt Ryan, 61,111 (~28,000 from Brady) - Mahomes, 20,389 (~69,000 from Brady)
Pass TDs: Aaron Rodgers, 457 (~194 from Brady) - Mahomes, 166 (~485 from Brady)
Regular season wins: Rodgers, 145 (~105 from Brady) - Mahomes, 54 (~201 from Brady)
Postseason wins: Rodgers, 11 (~26 from Brady) - Mahomes, 8 (~29 from Brady)
CG appearances: Rodgers, 5 (9 from Brady) - Mahomes, 4 (10 from Brady)
SB appearances: Mahomes/Wilson, 2 (8 from Brady)
SB wins: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Stafford, Foles, 1 (6 from Brady)
SB MVPs: Mahomes, Rodgers, Foles, 1 (4 from Brady)

Is the obvious answer that Mahomes is the only guy with any kind of shot at some of these numbers? (I think some of them have ZERO chance of being reached or surpassed)

My guess is that the only chance anyone has to reach his numbers is for them to be passing stats (ie, pass yards or TDs). Whoever it is would still have to play for a really long time (which is why I was pointing out the whole 15.75 games missed in his entire career thing), but assuming the NFL keeps making it easier to complete passes, that's the one thing Brady didn't have for the first half of his career. Until the late 2000's or so, it was still hard to put up gaudy passing numbers.

 

[BaseballJones]

Agreed. But think of what Mahomes has to do to get to 89,000 passing yards. He's presently at 20,389 and he's five games into his 6th season in the NFL. Needs about 69,000 more. He's averaging about 300 yards passing a game during his career. At that rate, he'd need to play 230 more games averaging 300 yards per game to get to 89,000. At 17 games a year, that's another 13.5 seasons. He's currently 27, so he'd be 41 when that happens, assuming all that happened like that and everything went perfectly.

 

[BigSoxFan]

Let's say Brady retires after this season and ends up with these numbers (roughly):

89,000 pass yards
651 touchdown passes
255 regular season wins
a 37-13 postseason record
14 championship game appearances
10 Super Bowl appearances
7 Super Bowl wins
5 Super Bowl MVPs

Of all these incredible Brady records and achievements, which one do you think someone will come closest to reaching, and who will it be? Here's the closest to each of these that's currently playing, and then I'll add Mahomes in there too, because...Mahomes:

Pass Yards: Matt Ryan, 61,111 (~28,000 from Brady) - Mahomes, 20,389 (~69,000 from Brady)
Pass TDs: Aaron Rodgers, 457 (~194 from Brady) - Mahomes, 166 (~485 from Brady)
Regular season wins: Rodgers, 145 (~105 from Brady) - Mahomes, 54 (~201 from Brady)
Postseason wins: Rodgers, 11 (~26 from Brady) - Mahomes, 8 (~29 from Brady)
CG appearances: Rodgers, 5 (9 from Brady) - Mahomes, 4 (10 from Brady)
SB appearances: Mahomes/Wilson, 2 (8 from Brady)
SB wins: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Stafford, Foles, 1 (6 from Brady)
SB MVPs: Mahomes, Rodgers, Foles, 1 (4 from Brady)

Is the obvious answer that Mahomes is the only guy with any kind of shot at some of these numbers? (I think some of them have ZERO chance of being reached or surpassed)

I could see Mahomes breaking his yardage/TD records, if he stays healthy. The big x-factor there is that we don't really know what the post-Kelce and maybe post Andy Reid Chiefs will look like. And Mahomes would obviously have to stay healthy too. All of the playoff ones should be safe.

 

[BaseballJones]

I mean, since turning 40, Brady has put up these numbers:

2,160-3,300 (65.5%), 24,347 yds, 175 td, 52 int
63-23 regular season record (.733)
10-3 playoff record (.769)
3 SB appearances
2 SB victories

That's ridiculous.

 

[Justthetippett]

Let's say Brady retires after this season and ends up with these numbers (roughly):

89,000 pass yards
651 touchdown passes
255 regular season wins
a 37-13 postseason record
14 championship game appearances
10 Super Bowl appearances
7 Super Bowl wins
5 Super Bowl MVPs

Of all these incredible Brady records and achievements, which one do you think someone will come closest to reaching, and who will it be? Here's the closest to each of these that's currently playing, and then I'll add Mahomes in there too, because...Mahomes:

Pass Yards: Matt Ryan, 61,111 (~28,000 from Brady) - Mahomes, 20,389 (~69,000 from Brady)
Pass TDs: Aaron Rodgers, 457 (~194 from Brady) - Mahomes, 166 (~485 from Brady)
Regular season wins: Rodgers, 145 (~105 from Brady) - Mahomes, 54 (~201 from Brady)
Postseason wins: Rodgers, 11 (~26 from Brady) - Mahomes, 8 (~29 from Brady)
CG appearances: Rodgers, 5 (9 from Brady) - Mahomes, 4 (10 from Brady)
SB appearances: Mahomes/Wilson, 2 (8 from Brady)
SB wins: Mahomes, Rodgers, Wilson, Flacco, Stafford, Foles, 1 (6 from Brady)
SB MVPs: Mahomes, Rodgers, Foles, 1 (4 from Brady)

Is the obvious answer that Mahomes is the only guy with any kind of shot at some of these numbers? (I think some of them have ZERO chance of being reached or surpassed)

I think the yards and TD passes will look pretty small in 20 years, unless we get new rules changes. The rest could stand the rest of time, 50 years plus.

 

[BaseballJones]

I think the yards and TD passes will look pretty small in 20 years, unless we get new rules changes. The rest could stand the rest of time, 50 years plus.

Will they though? I mean, to get to 651 touchdown passes, you'd have to average 40 a year for more than 16 seasons. If you average . That's a LONG career in the NFL, even by the new model. I mean, there have been more guys doing it well late in their careers, but you have to be really healthy and really amazing for a really long time to get there. Last year the top 5 guys in TD passes had 43, 41, 38, 37, and 37, or an average of 39 per. So you'd have to be in the top 5 in TD passes (basically) every year. The next 5 (so #s 6-10) had 37, 37, 36, 34, and 33, or an average of 35 per. 651 divided by 35 is 18 1/2, so you'd need to average 35 TD passes over 18.5 seasons.

651 is a HUMONGOUS number.