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EL Jeffe

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We're starting to get close to Draft Day, so I was curious to see some projections. One of the cooler innovations of the past year or two is the advent of mock draft machines. There's three that I know of:

Fan Speak:
I like Fan Speak because you get to see and use different boards. Matt Miller and Scott Wright both have fairly recent boards up, and they're two guys who have been in the draft business for a while and generally know what they're talking about. The only downside is you can't choose a fast mode; it's a bit slow. But First World Problems, and all.

The Draft Network:
TDN was the first draft machine I ever encountered. I think they make regular updates to their board, but I often find some of the rankings a bit off. So when I'm going through and a Day 2 guys is available late in the 6th, I kind of roll my eyes and select someone more likely to be around. But they have a fast mode and you can plow through quickly.

PFN
I just ran across this one the other day, so it was cool to see a new one. On the plus side, their fast mode is REALLY fast. Their board seems a bit better than TDN's, but not as realistic as Miller or Wright on Fan Speak.

In any event, any other draft machines out there? I'll probably post the results of a mock every so often; it'd be cool to see some others to get a feel for who people are targeting and where they might be available.
 

Cellar-Door

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FanSpeak one is doing some weird things with Tua, 2 mocks in he fell to the Jags at 20 in the first, and I took him at 23 in the second
 

edoug

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FanSpeak one is doing some weird things with Tua, 2 mocks in he fell to the Jags at 20 in the first, and I took him at 23 in the second
It is very minor compared to the current state of the planet but the fact that he won't be able to tryout may really hurt him.
 

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From PFN. (Geez, that one's fast.) Would have liked to trade down in Round 1.

23. Terrell Lewis OLB Alabama
87. Ross Blacklock DT TCU
98. Donovan Peoples-Jones WR Michigan
100. Hunter Bryant TE Washington
125. Darrynton Evans RB App State
172. James Proche WR SMU
195. Charlie Heck OT UNC
204. Rodrigo Blankenship K Georgia
212. Gage Cervenka C Clemson
213. Jared Pinkney TE Vanderbilt
230. Justin Strnad ILB Wake Forest
241. Javelin Guidry S Utah

Edit: I actually like Terrell Lewis -- a fantastic athlete at a position of need, and he sounds like Mike Tyson! But he's been injury-prone, and he's probably not a great *value* at 23.
 
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BaseballJones

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Here's who I ended up with:

NE
23. Grant Delpit S LSU
NE
87. Lynn Bowden WR Kentucky
NE
98. Jacob Eason QB Washington
NE
100. Cole Kmet TE Notre Dame
NE
125. Leki Fotu DT Utah
NE
172. James Proche WR SMU
NE
195. Casey Toohill OLB Stanford
NE
204. Raequan Williams DT Michigan State
NE
212. Rodrigo Blankenship K Georgia
NE
213. Trey Adams OT Washington
NE
230. Josiah Scott CB Michigan State
NE
241. Calvin Throckmorton C Oregon
 

Bowser

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That's a pretty good haul in those top six picks, though I'm not sold on Lynn Bowden. What's the case for him? Doesn't seem like a polished route runner, nine fumbles, etc. He's an exciting player, but too much of a risk for Day 2 for me (even the end of Day 2).
 

EL Jeffe

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Matt Miller dropped a new board on Fan Speak. This is just about my dream draft, so it will never happen...

23: R1P23: LB KENNETH MURRAY, OKLAHOMA
I see him as a Jamie Collins replacement. Fits the NE physical profile for LBs, team captain, flies around the field. Versatile enough to stand up and rush off the edge.

87: R3P23: TE ADAM TRAUTMAN, DAYTON
Profiles as a complete TE, but I don't expect a big impact in 2020.

98: R3P34: EDGE DARRELL TAYLOR, TENNESSEE
One of my favorite edge players in the class; I see him as an eventual KVN replacement who is more of a rusher than off-the-ball type at the moment.

100: R3P36: WR BRYAN EDWARDS , SOUTH CAROLINA
Another one of my favorites; good at everything he does (but not great). Can be your Day 1 punt returner, too. Can align anywhere, tough, and versatile.

125: R4P19: DL RASHARD LAWRENCE, LSU
Lawrence Guy 2.0. Physical, nasty tone-setter.

172: R5P26: OT HAKEEM ADENIJI, KANSAS
Athletic (34" vertical) OT/G hybrid. At 6'4, not the longest OT but I'd start him off there until he shows he can't do it. Pushes Cajuste for potential swing OT spot (they'll probably keep 4 OTs).

195: R6P16: S K'VON WALLACE, CLEMSON
Not sure he'd be here, but a good football player. Blitzes, covers the slot and can play in the box despite his size.

204: R6P25: DL NICK COE, AUBURN
Reminds me of the Cowart pick last year. Tools and pedigree are better than the production. Didn't play much in 2019 but looked like an early round pick earlier on at Auburn.

212: R6P33: S REGGIE ROBINSON II, TULSA
Jim Nagy is high on Robinson--thinks he can be a future starter. Long (6'1) and good straight line speed (4.44) but a but tight in the hips.

213: R6P34: K TYLER BASS, GEORGIA SOUTHERN
Nagy thinks Bass is the first specialist off the board. Good enough for me.

230: R7P16: WR CHRIS FINKE, NOTRE DAME
Destiny, right?

241: R7P27: CB JAVELIN GUIDRY, UTAH
Jon Jones 2.0. 4.29 40 with 21 reps, but at 5'9, he'll be off a lot of boards. Some see him as a slot corner, others as a safety. Looks to be a good gunner on ST. Fits the NE mold.
 

BigJimEd

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Thanks for the heads up.
I've used fanspeak quite a bit. Hadn't seen pfn before. I like the option to trade.
Traded 23rd and comp pick for Indys two 2nd rounders with Love on the board.
 

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Posting this one because of the insane first round slip:

23- LB Isaiah Simmons Clemson
87- TE Adam Trautman Dayton
98- WR Bryan Edwards South Carolina
100- OL Saahdiq Charles LSU
125- EDGE Khalid Kareem Notre Dame
172- DL Davon Hamilton Ohio State
195- LB Willie Gay Jr. Mississippi State
204- WR Darnell Mooney Tulane
212- CB Michael Ojemudia Iowa
213- S K'Von Wallace Clemson
230- QB Steven Montez Colorado
241- K Rodrigo Blankenship Georgia
 

EL Jeffe

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Ha, that's funny. Zero chance Simmons drops, but beyond that, this haul has a lot of my favorites. I haven't dug into Mooney but I feel good about the rest of those selections.
 

5050HindSight

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I just started one on TDN, and the following are available for the Pats at 23:

Tua
Lamb
Ruggs
Jeudy
Andrew Thomas

I think I'll just restart it now, that doesn't even make sense.

Edit: Oh, and both the Bengals and Dolphins passed on him and Burrow went #6 to the Chargers
 

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1: R1P23
S XAIVER MCKINNEY
ALABAMA
2: R3P23
C CESAR RUIZ
MICHIGAN
3: R3P34
LB MALIK HARRISON
OHIO ST.
4: R3P36
OT ALEX TAYLOR
SC STATE
5: R4P19
WR ISAIAH HODGINS
OREGON ST.
6: R5P26
DL KHALIL DAVIS
NEBRASKA
7: R6P16
QB JAKE LUTON
OREGON ST.
8: R6P25
TE MITCHELL WILCOX
SOUTH FLORIDA
9: R6P33
WR ISAIAH COULTER
RHODE ISLAND
10: R6P34
EDGE D.J. WONNUM
SOUTH CAROLINA
11: R7P16
OT JON RUNYAN
MICHIGAN
12: R7P27
K RODRIGO BLANKENSHIP
GEORGIA
 

67YAZ

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Went with PFN, which was a lot of fun. Swung a trade with the Colts - 23 for 34 & 75. Made sure to grab Malcolm Perry (Navy) because you know Bill has him way up the draft board. Also, looks like there's lots of love here for Blankenship at 241.



34.

Antoine Winfield Jr.
S Minnesota



75.

Adam Trautman
TE Dayton


87.

Darrell Taylor
OLB Tennessee


98.

Rashard Lawrence
DT LSU


100.

Dane Jackson
CB Pitt


125.

Solomon Kindley
G Georgia


172.

Colton McKivitz
OT WVU


195.

Joe Reed
WR UVA


204.

Julian Blackmon
CB Utah


212.

Shaquille Quarterman
ILB Miami


213.

Michael Onwenu
G Michigan


230.

Malcolm Perry
RB Navy


241.

Rodrigo Blankenship
K Georgia
 
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Over Guapo Grande

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I swung a trade with the Rams to get pick 199. Just because.


NE
23. K’Lavon Chaisson OLB LSU
NE
87. Jacob Eason QB Washington
NE
98. Adam Trautman TE Dayton
NE
100. Matt Peart OT UConn
NE
125. Terence Steele OT Texas Tech
NE
172. James Proche WR SMU
NE
199. Darrion Daniels DT Nebraska
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NE
212. Jalen Elliott S Notre Dame
NE
213. Shaquille Quarterman ILB Miami
NE
230. Tyler Bass K Georgia Southern
NE
241. Jon Runyan Jr. G Michigan
 

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Kinlaw at 23 is Godmode. He’s a top 10 talent and imo the best DT in the draft. He will end up being a top 5 prospect I imagine (for me). Scheme fit and imo he is Richard Seymour 2.0 (obviously all prospects have risk but that’s the type of talent he is).

Love Juaun Jennings and the Bartch picks too.

I have nine guys I especially do not like this year: QB Jordan Love, Grant Delpit, Albert O, Neville Gallimore, Laviska Shenault, Jalen Reagor, Jeremy Chinn, Kyle Dugger, and Curtis Weaver.

Love is just a turnover machine. He’s got a million dollar arm and ten cent head. It wasn’t just his offensive scheme and coaching changes and loss of personnel this year that hurt him. Last year he was top 5 in interceptable passes or lead the NCAA in dropped interceptions (something like that). He is not good under pressure and I question his reading ability and decision making. I liked Mahomes when he came out (receipts are on this board). This isn’t Mahomes 2.0. Also, do we think BB is going to want to draft a guy who will always be more turnover prone?

Grant Delpit: I haven’t posted my updated list of rankings yet because I finished RBs but am only halfway through safeties. I’ll be at around 150ish prospects watched and written up when done with safeties and they thin out quickly. I think I will be able to get to 250-275 prospects this year thanks to quarantine. As for Delpit I’ve watched him in 2018 and 2019. His tackling form was better in 2018 before he broke his collar bone in spring ball and played with a hurt shoulder from October on. But it wasn’t that great in 2018. Delpit missed 25% of tackles last year. He dives at guys feet. He can't tackle kickers and punters in the open field. *pulling up my notes*: he had around 6 missed tackles against Auburn one of which went straight to the house. I counted 4 TDs he gave up due to missed tackles in the 4 games I watched.

Albert O: Is not an effective inline blocker. Runs a 4.49 but plays at a 5.0, or a 4.85. Why? He can’t run routes. This guy has a floor of total bust. Ok let me rephrase he has a floor as a red zone and 3rd down weapon when you need to make a contested throw and have your elite contested catch guy make it. That’s him. I hate the term boom or bust prospect but that’s classic Albert O. Oh, guy has stiff hips too. He’s pure straightline speed. No feel for how to run routes through traffic either. He’s like Tina driving Bob’s car in Bob’s burgers.

Gallimore can’t stop the run or anchor to save his life. He’s a penetrator only. He’s a rotational pass rushing DT and that’s it. Two gap? Not a chance. Guy gets washed out against the run so much he might as well just fall down off the snap. Probably would clog up more run lanes that way at least.

Jeremy Chinn and Kyle Dugger: full disclose I like both these guys and think they are at the minimum good to elite special teamers. They both have a similar profile. They are small school Strong safety or nickel backer prospects who did very well against their level of competition but didn’t dominate it. Their ability to read, process, anticipate in zones is seriously lacking. They aren’t even that great diagnosing the run. They will need to sit a year before they contribute. Dugger is already 24 years old and he’s the more advanced of the two. Unlike Albert O they profile to be elite special teamers and they both have all the traits and athleticism to be good starters. I have heard a lot of talk of them in the top 75. I think there is a lot more risk with them than acknowledged. They are fine back half of round 3 or round 4+ prospects but not round 2. BB values smarts above all else in a safety and neither of these guys have shown it on the field. And it shows. Against FCS or below level completion.

Curtis Weaver he’s not a 3-4 OLB. Guy is not fast enough to cover. He’s being talked about as a end of the first but second round pick and I just don’t see it. Too slow and not enough burst. I think with him he has a floor as an early down rotational edge against the rush and he has great hands. But if a tweener too in that I wish he was bigger and a more traditional DE.
 

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I swung a trade with the Rams to get pick 199. Just because.


NE
23. K’Lavon Chaisson OLB LSU
NE
87. Jacob Eason QB Washington
NE
98. Adam Trautman TE Dayton
NE
100. Matt Peart OT UConn
NE
125. Terence Steele OT Texas Tech
NE
172. James Proche WR SMU
NE
199. Darrion Daniels DT Nebraska
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NE
212. Jalen Elliott S Notre Dame
NE
213. Shaquille Quarterman ILB Miami
NE
230. Tyler Bass K Georgia Southern
NE
241. Jon Runyan Jr. G Michigan
And didn’t take a QB? Do you even internet?
 

67YAZ

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I've bee playing around with Bears drafts, trying to figure out ways they could drop back from 43 or 50 to get back some of the midround picks they lack. Getting good value is tough, and hunting around for matches helped me realize how different the trade dynamics will be this year. Teams will be working with less information in the absence of many pro days and in-person visits where team doctors can get a full exam in. Will some teams try to mitigate their increased risk by dropping back and picking up more guys? Will some teams get overly aggressive in moving up for guys they know are medically clean? Hell, will some teams decide there's too many knowns this year and try to flip picks for next year?