MLS 2024: It’s Leo’s league, we’re all just playing in it

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Charlotte has signed Tim Ream. This makes sense for him because he was firmly in "veteran locker room vibes guy" territory with Fulham.
Tim Ream made 423 appearances for Fulham and Bolton - a good chunk were in the Championship but that's a good league fairly comparable to European first divisions outside the big five. That's a really impressive club career.

Is that the most appearances in European football of any USMNT field player? GKs like Friedel and Howard definitely had more but I can't think of a field player with more European longevity.
 

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Tim Ream made 423 appearances for Fulham and Bolton - a good chunk were in the Championship but that's a good league fairly comparable to European first divisions outside the big five. That's a really impressive club career.

Is that the most appearances in European football of any USMNT field player? GKs like Friedel and Howard definitely had more but I can't think of a field player with more European longevity.
Cherundolo got screwed in this comparison because he spent his whole career in 18-team, 34-game leagues instead of the Champo marathon!

Looking at one source, I see 437 total appearances across league/cups for Ream and 423 across leagues/cups/Europe for Cherundolo.


The only other field player I can think of, is a one-cap wonder, Joe Enochs, who played for Osnabrück for 12 years (a yo-yo club between the 2nd and 3rd levels of German soccer). He clocked in with 416 appearances. He's been managing in Germany for nearly ten years now and just got Jahn Regensburg promoted back to the 2.Bundesliga.



- Earnie Stewart got to 365, all in the Dutch league.
- it's crazy that McBride nearly broke 200 given that he didn't move to Fulham until he was 31, and previously only had 18 appearances for Wolfsburg in the pre-MLS era.
- Pulisic is already at 321 appearances, across the EPL, Bundesliga, Serie A, CL, EL, FA Cup, EFL Cup, DFB Pokal, Coppa Italia, Club World Cup, and UEFA Super Cup.
 

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Leagues Cup should be like Survivor Series -- you keep playing teams from the other league until only one league is left standing. No intra-league games.
 

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Losing to NYCFC on penalties in a knockout game at home?

I've seen this movie before.
 

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My day started with a broken windshield, but now it’s looking up!

Heitz was on a 1-year extension after Mansueto failed to land Jim Curtin last year, so this is not a surprise. It does raise the question if Mansueto has someone lined up or if Heitz is leaving now so he can make a clean transition to his next thing.

It’s an attractive job. Chicago is a sleeping giant of a market. Last year’s anonymous survey through the Athletic identified Mansueto as an owner who is willing to spend to win. Plus there is the affiliate club in Switzerland, Lugano, that adds unique opportunities for an MLS club.

On the upside, Heitz did brilliantly with Jhon Duran, and if the player transfers again, Chicago will get a slice of that fee. He also got $10m for Gaga, a teenaged goalkeeper.

Heitz got the academy pipeline flowing. Brady and Guti were already with the club, but Heitz made clear pathways for their advancement and has been pushing along another cohort that should hit over the next 2 seasons - Reynolds, Oregel, and Rodriquez.

But he never got the hang of building an MLS roster or swallowed his ego to partner with a strong, veteran manager to build the squad. The DP transfers have ranged from disaster to replacement-level player (tho I’m still holding out hope for Cuypers…). Until this year, Heitz had an aversion to bringing in MLS vets, which hamstrung the whole operation. And then there was the pointless public feud with Djordje and his family, who also happen to run the biggest youth league in the Chicago area. Just stupid.

Fire Twitter are giddy. After a miserable Leagues Cup, we’ve had nothing to do but stew and complain. Now at least change is coming.
 
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Chivas, Monterrey, Pumas, Pachuca, Tigres, and Cruz Azul have all been eliminated. After a brilliant inaugural edition, the 2024 Leagues Cup has absolutely no juice this year.
 

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Hey @67YAZ I saw something on Twitter that theorized Berhalter will take over. Any thoughts about that?
I have been preemptively complaining about this in the USMNT thread. Gregg has been living in Chicago for years already & he was certainly in convo with folks in the Fire org. And based on how Mansueto empowered Heitz & how he tried to woo Curtin, it’s clear that Mansueto wants to hire one key guy who will shape the club too to bottom.

I’m not smart, but it was obvious that Gregg would be seen as that kind of guy by an over-eager owner. At least Heitz came with proof from a decade at Basel that he could execute a successful model (be a selling club that also wins trophies)…but Gregg hasn’t had significant or sustained success as a manger, the club management being even less than his USMNT stint.

If it happens, it will be uninspiring. But such is life as a Fire fan.
 

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More evidence that the Heitz era is really over - they bring in a true MLS vet! They’re taking Ariel Lassiter from Montreal for a guaranteed $75k GAM and another $75k in potential add ons.

With Shaq out, Guti moves into the middle permanently and Lassiter gets run on left. That’s already an improvement just by getting Guti into his natural role and having a true winger out left.
 

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Chivas, Monterrey, Pumas, Pachuca, Tigres, and Cruz Azul have all been eliminated. After a brilliant inaugural edition, the 2024 Leagues Cup has absolutely no juice this year.
They definitely aren’t getting the big name Mexican clubs deep into the tournament except for Club América, but we had some barnburner type games in the round of 16. It’s been fun even if the wins and losses haven’t shaken out the way the suits want them to.
 

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They definitely aren’t getting the big name Mexican clubs deep into the tournament except for Club América, but we had some barnburner type games in the round of 16. It’s been fun even if the wins and losses haven’t shaken out the way the suits want them to.
You’re a valued member of SoSH because you’re capable of enjoying 10-man Cruz Azul equalizing against Mazatlán in stoppage time. Unfortunately I can’t get to your level, although most people call me a MLS sicko for even having the Apple TV package.

To me, the end result of this tournament is MLS vs. MLS games in front of dead crowds, which I could watch any other weekend.
 

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You’re a valued member of SoSH because you’re capable of enjoying 10-man Cruz Azul equalizing against Mazatlán in stoppage time. Unfortunately I can’t get to your level, although most people call me a MLS sicko for even having the Apple TV package.

To me, the end result of this tournament is MLS vs. MLS games in front of dead crowds, which I could watch any other weekend.
The crowds have gotten smaller with the short notice midweek knockout games, but regular season games have bigger crowds!

I don’t know. This last set of games was fun! Columbus – Miami was a classic, Colorado – Toluca had an absolute golazo from Toluca and a bunch of late dramatics. Watching the Sounders pound a Mexican team into getting a classic LigaMX rage-red card is always fun.

American soccer fans are deeply committed to being negative about everything to do with American soccer. Don’t get sucked in!

Only two Mexican clubs making the QF again is good for MLS-LigaMX bantz and also will push the organizers to host games in Mexico eventually.
 

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Esmir has been called into the Bosnian senior team for its Nations League matches in the September window. It’s kind of funny seeing “New England Revolution” among what appears to be only UEFA clubs.

View: https://twitter.com/nfsbih/status/1824373922554421326

Not the biggest deal potentially, but the Bosnian senior team is not quite a UEFA minnow. There are some stars on that team sheet like Džeko. Pochettino has an opening to make his case.
 
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Esmir has been called into the Bosnian senior team for its Nations League matches in the September window. It’s kind of funny seeing “New England Revolution” among what appears to be only UEFA clubs.

View: https://twitter.com/nfsbih/status/1824373922554421326

Not the biggest deal potentially, but the Bosnian senior team is not quite a UEFA minnow. There are some stars on that team sheet like Džeko. Pochettino has an opening to make his case.
Their next window is a Nations' League window, so he will be cap tied if he plays, which is what seems like it's gonna happen.

I'd be more fussed about it if he was actually productive at all for the Revs which he hasn't really been despite looking like the one non-Gil player with a little Carles Gil in his brain, which makes me understand why he's exciting for people.
 

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Their next window is a Nations' League window, so he will be cap tied if he plays, which is what seems like it's gonna happen.

I'd be more fussed about it if he was actually productive at all for the Revs which he hasn't really been despite looking like the one non-Gil player with a little Carles Gil in his brain, which makes me understand why he's exciting for people.
Esmir has played for the full USMNT in January camp, so I think any sort of appearance (Nations League or otherwise) would exhaust his one-time switch.

You’re correct that 2024 has been disappointing for Esmir (and Buck too). It’s hard to say the US hasn’t done enough to keep him; it seems like he just wants Bosnia. Still it’s at least worth a phone call from the new boss.
 

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Only in MLS, the Revs are tied for dead last in East, but also just two points below the red line for the final playoff position (with two games in hand)! Carles Gil is back and looking like an MVP in a one-game sample size, plus club-record signing Luca Lagoni contributed a goal and an assist off the bench. Is it time to give Curt Onalfo credit, after ousting Bruce Arena in bloodless coup one year ago? (No.)

Elsewhere in MLS, Columbus won League Cup, showcasing what’s possible when you fire Caleb Porter.
 

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Only in MLS, the Revs are tied for dead last in East, but also just two points below the red line for the final playoff position (with two games in hand)! Carles Gil is back and looking like an MVP in a one-game sample size, plus club-record signing Luca Lagoni contributed a goal and an assist off the bench. Is it time to give Curt Onalfo credit, after ousting Bruce Arena in bloodless coup one year ago? (No.)

Elsewhere in MLS, Columbus won League Cup, showcasing what’s possible when you fire Caleb Porter.
The Crew are so good, and they're so easy on the eyes. The inevitable Columbus-Miami playoff game is going to be an all-timer.

What ties your two comments together is the glory and genius of Joey Saputo, whose generally annoying and difficult personality led Wilfried Nancy to leave Montreal for Columbus. What a dope. Now the Crew are epic and Montreal is losing to the lowly Revs 5-0 at home.
 

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It's never not funny to watch LAFC come up short in a big match.

How long will Nancy stay? He has to be on a short list for some good jobs.
 

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The Fire walked away with a very encouraging draw at NYCFC. The thing that popped to me was Guti stepping up & burying the 93’ PK. This is his team now.
 

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Only in MLS, the Revs are tied for dead last in East, but also just two points below the red line for the final playoff position (with two games in hand)! Carles Gil is back and looking like an MVP in a one-game sample size, plus club-record signing Luca Lagoni contributed a goal and an assist off the bench. Is it time to give Curt Onalfo credit, after ousting Bruce Arena in bloodless coup one year ago? (No.)

Elsewhere in MLS, Columbus won League Cup, showcasing what’s possible when you fire Caleb Porter.
Fire Twitter is breaking down the playoff chase tonight. Didn’t realize that the Revs have 2 games in hand compared to all the other teams at the bottom of the table - 10 to 8 for Chicago, Montreal, Nashville, Atlanta, & Philly.

Chicago looks like it has the easiest remaining schedule - 5 home matches & 4 current playoff teams, 2 of those at home.

New England - 4 home & 6 away, all road matches against current playoff teams. Tough path.
 

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Good night for the Timbers. 4-2 win over LAFC.

The Timbers defense is still suspect, but damn the attack is fun to watch.

View: https://twitter.com/MLS_PR/status/1836623711413088302?t=IE6qQa9pYxIWzIdtOo1onw&s=19
After goals from Evander (two), Felipe Mora, and Jonathan Rodríguez tonight, the group of @TimbersFC teammates is the first trio in @MLS history to each score at least 14 goals for one club in a single regular season.




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Players in MLS history to have a single regular season with 17+ assists and 14+ goals-
Evander 2024
That's the list.
 

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Fire Twitter is breaking down the playoff chase tonight. Didn’t realize that the Revs have 2 games in hand compared to all the other teams at the bottom of the table - 10 to 8 for Chicago, Montreal, Nashville, Atlanta, & Philly.

Chicago looks like it has the easiest remaining schedule - 5 home matches & 4 current playoff teams, 2 of those at home.

New England - 4 home & 6 away, all road matches against current playoff teams. Tough path.
With yesterday’s 1-1 draw, the Fire are out of the playoffs. Doesn’t matter that they had the easiest remaining schedule, they still found a way. That’s 7 years running.
 

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This Columbus/Miami match with Miami trying to clinch the Shield has a really great energy to it.
 

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With yesterday’s 1-1 draw, the Fire are out of the playoffs. Doesn’t matter that they had the easiest remaining schedule, they still found a way. That’s 7 years running.
It's just really impressive work in a league with a lot of parity and an extremely forgiving playoff qualification format. It's simply not easy to do what Heitz and his predecessors have accomplished.

This Columbus/Miami match with Miami trying to clinch the Shield has a really great energy to it.
Miami's roster construction has been so impressive, especially coming out of the salary cap penalties they faced for the egregious salary budget shenanigans of the previous administration. I believe I read that Miami's points per game has been even higher when Messi was out. Messi has been predictably amazing, but I think it shows that the overall roster is strong enough that with only a little lucky random variance in a medium sample size they can be just as good without THE star player.

Pretty insane that Miami appears to be letting Chris Henderson walk to Atlanta this winter, as is rumored.
 

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And there it is - Gregg as head coach & Director of Football.

The head coach part is fine. Gregg is a massive upgrade on Frank just by virtue of having modern game plans and brining a competitive culture. The upgrade from “good vibes only” will be a shock for some players.

Where I’m hesitant is also making Gregg DoF. He’s never built a successful MLS squad and hasn’t been in the league for a long while now. Sure, being USMNT manager means knowing MLS and he’ll hire people with league experience…but Gregg is still a guy who hasn’t had huge success anywhere. This isn’t brining in Curtin to run the whole show. It’s a much bigger risk. Would feel better if Gregg had an experienced DoF to partner with and act as a counter-balance.

But that’s the modern Fire, lurching from savior to savior.

View: https://twitter.com/chicagofire/status/1843663892653978038?s=46&t=GfuLFvTYcOxcFiCZjyIYZw
 

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The dual GM/manager role is increasingly anachronistic in MLS. It's just Peter Vermes his season, and things have really dropped off in SKC in recent years. If I were a Chicago fan I'd be looking closely at who Berhalter brings into the front office to help.
 

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The Fire introduced Gregg today in a press conference with Mansueto. The big news that came out so the Fire are actively exploring e specific sites in Chicago for a soccer stadium. All three are empty lots where a developer’s big plans got stalled out by the pandemic, including the same area the Reinsdorf proposed as a new White Sox home.

(For the Chicagoans in the room, the sites are The 78, Lincoln Yards, & Michael Reese Hospital.)

Mansueto has been a mover in shaker in Chicago real estate since he sold Morningstar and the Fire have successfully collaborated with the city on a new practice facility as well as a community center. This could come together quickly if Manaueto picks a spot & goes for it.

I wonder if the Red Stars would hop in as a tenant. I know Laura Ricketts has been laying political groundwork for a Red Stars stadium in the city & the Ricketts family is just as connected as Mansueto. But Joe didn’t let this info casually slip out. He must feel confident, and it’s hard to imagine 2 similar sized stadiums going up right now. And the Stars are desperate to get out of Bridgeview and into the city so that they can get out of the basement for NWSL match attendance.
 

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I just wanted to lodge my yearly complaint about how nearly all local games must start at 7:30 p.m.

For example, tonight's Vancouver-Portland playoff matchup starts at 7:30 p.m. PDT, which not only guarantees no one outside of this time zone is going to watch it, but it is also late enough that casual west coast fans won't watch.
 

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I just wanted to lodge my yearly complaint about how nearly all local games must start at 7:30 p.m.

For example, tonight's Vancouver-Portland playoff matchup starts at 7:30 p.m. PDT, which not only guarantees no one outside of this time zone is going to watch it, but it is also late enough that casual west coast fans won't watch.
Aside from the West Coast / time zone issue, I wish generally that there were more day games on Saturday to give fans a few more options to watch games or even multiple games throughout the day. Games kickoff during my son's bedtime routine instead of during his afternoon nap! I get that the league wants some consistency around timeslots and they are trying to build up their Saturday night pre-game + whip-around show + post-game content, but one of the perks of having such a giant league with so many teams is that you can spare a game or two for the afternoon.


In more consequential news, Tenorio reports that the league is taking a hard look at changing to a fall-spring schedule. The scheme is basically similar to the Bundesliga with a 5-6 week break in the winter, probably avoiding home games in cold-weather markets in February. Since MLS is a bigger and bigger part of the global transfer market, there is advocacy within the league to align with the major European transfer windows, since doing business in the MLS mid-season in summer is awkward. The playoffs would also not compete with football.

View: https://twitter.com/paultenorio/status/1849168052325388295
 

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Portland got dog-walked at home 5-0 last night by Vancouver.

I feel like the entire country should have been able to enjoy that game if only it had started earlier!