MLB suspends Trevor Bauer for 2 years with no pay

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This feels really bad. We're mostly Red Sox fans here, and Roberts holds a place in hearts and minds that is truly iconic and special. A guy that up until now, I'd say should never have to pay for a meal or a drink if I had my druthers.

Bauer's clearly done something wrong -- and I say that as someone who enjoys his trolling and his antics -- baseball needs more characters. Roberts just has to say "we're going to wait until further investigation".

Here's the decision matrix:

Bauer Guilty, Starts: Well, shit, the Dodgers REALLY fucked up. Rapist starts baseball game. Cool. Good stuff, Dodgers org.
Bauer Guilty, Doesn't Start: Good for the Dodgers for taking advanced action and that they put their morals first.
Bauer Innocent, Doesn't Start: Good for the Dodgers or taking what they thought was advanced action, they put their morals first.
Bauer Innocent, Starts: While it worked out, for the most part it came across as crass and foolhardy at best.

Just don't start him. It's not hard. If he's guilty (which seems extremely likely based on the evidence), you're fucked. The rest of them you've either made the really smart decision, or you've just taken care of business, morally, and it worked out.
 

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This shouldn't be a Roberts-level decision. This stuff is way above his pay grade and it should be.

The Commissioner and Dodgers ownership need to address this and do so before Sunday.

I have no idea if they will.
 

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Meanwhile, the Dodgers are going to the White House Friday
 

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So I’m not well versed in the BDSM stuff but, if you get “choked out” don’t you generally regain consciousness pretty quickly, like within a minute of choking stopping? Just seems weird she stayed unconscious while being anally raped doesn’t it? I don’t know, that just sounds off.
 

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I haven't done tremendous research here, but I have had an eye on the story.

My question: why does this thread have so much righteous indignation towards the age old concept that people who fuck and then get dumped by famous people are likely to accuse them of wrongdoing?

And btw, I love baseball. Bauer is a talented pitcher, a wealthy asshole and he may well dig kinky shit. But that's not new in the craziness of world-beating Uber talented narcissists.

But I have to ask: what makes him guilty at this very moment?

Who cares if a man or woman plies their trade until they are confirmed to have crossed the line which constitutes criminal guilt and receives the concomitant sentencing? I would think our justice system would prefer the reverse.

Not every crime is deserving of a life's sentence.

Can't he serve 100% of his time if and once he is convicted?

For example, let's say he offers her a million bucks, and she says "no way you sexually assaulted me" and he says "no I didn't but here's 10 mill, leave me alone and best wishes" and she takes the money... Should be be benched in advance of the above occurring (this is a hypothetical, I fully understand and acknowledge that).
 
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This shouldn't be a Roberts-level decision. This stuff is way above his pay grade and it should be.

The Commissioner and Dodgers ownership need to address this and do so before Sunday.

I have no idea if they will.
100%. Dodger ownership/management will include Roberts in any conversations they feel he should be privy to, they may ask his opinion, but he's not the guy to make decisions like this.
 

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This feels really bad. We're mostly Red Sox fans here, and Roberts holds a place in hearts and minds that is truly iconic and special. A guy that up until now, I'd say should never have to pay for a meal or a drink if I had my druthers.

Bauer's clearly done something wrong -- and I say that as someone who enjoys his trolling and his antics -- baseball needs more characters. Roberts just has to say "we're going to wait until further investigation".

Here's the decision matrix:

Bauer Guilty, Starts: Well, shit, the Dodgers REALLY fucked up. Rapist starts baseball game. Cool. Good stuff, Dodgers org.
Bauer Guilty, Doesn't Start: Good for the Dodgers for taking advanced action and that they put their morals first.
Bauer Innocent, Doesn't Start: Good for the Dodgers or taking what they thought was advanced action, they put their morals first.
Bauer Innocent, Starts: While it worked out, for the most part it came across as crass and foolhardy at best.

Just don't start him. It's not hard. If he's guilty (which seems extremely likely based on the evidence), you're fucked. The rest of them you've either made the really smart decision, or you've just taken care of business, morally, and it worked out.
I don’t agree with your analysis, because I don’t think suspending a player who is innocent is no biggie. But I do agree that Bauer should sit, because the evidence so far strongly suggests he committed a crime. Maybe there won’t be conviction, but this certainly isn’t going to turn out like the Marv Albert case.

It’s easy to forget with how much the players earn, but MLB is a union shop. That means there are rules that management has to abide by, which in this case say it’s Manfred’s call. (Thanks to @McDrew for the knowledge.) So if Bauer starts Sunday, that’s not on Roberts or the Dodgers.
 

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I really wanted to let this pass, but I cannot.

I haven't done tremendous research here, but I have had an eye on the story.

My question: why does this thread have so much righteous indignation towards the age old concept that people who fuck and then get dumped by famous people are likely to accuse them of wrongdoing?
Presenting the hypothesis that the woman here is a spurned lover as an "age old concept" is incredibly lazy and disingenuous.

Neither of us can know if this is what happened here or not. For this to be your default assumption is mostly a comment on your values.

And btw, I love baseball. Bauer is a talented pitcher, a wealthy asshole and he may well dig kinky shit. But that's not new in the craziness of world-beating Uber talented narcissists.

But I have to ask: what makes him guilty at this very moment?
Nothing. Which is why this feels like another false premise.

Who cares if a man or woman plies their trade until they are confirmed to have crossed the line which constitutes criminal guilt and receives the concomitant sentencing? I would think our justice system would prefer the reverse.
If all crimes were equal, no one would disagree with this. However, as you well know, this isn't the case.

Not every crime is deserving of a life's sentence.
Which is why no one has suggested that.

Can't he serve 100% of his time if and once he is convicted?
Sure.

For example, let's say he offers her a million bucks, and she says "no way you sexually assaulted me" and he says "no I didn't but here's 10 mill, leave me alone and best wishes" and she takes the money... Should be be benched in advance of the above occurring (this is a hypothetical, I fully understand and acknowledge that).
I have no idea what this word salad means, but it sure looks like you are advancing an argument that says if a rich guy is able to buy the silence of women, who are we to judge? Which is a disturbingly cynical view of things.

As it relates to this case, I'd prefer to wait for more information to come out before I render a judgement. And since Bauer hasn't been charged with anything, I can't kill LA if they play him until he is. However, there will be a cost to that decision and they have to decide whether the cost (in terms of public disapproval) is worth it.
 

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If those texts are authentic how does one define the terms that she not only agreed to but encouraged? I don’t participate in that sexual arena but what does “Choke me out” mean in that context? Does that mean unconscious as in “out of consciousness?” Are there any limitations on what “feel the pain” allows?

It’s obv an awful look for Bauer. I just don’t know what these phrases allow in that arena. She did pursue a second night under these same rules so there is that too.
 

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I haven't done tremendous research here, but I have had an eye on the story.

My question: why does this thread have so much righteous indignation towards the age old concept that people who fuck and then get dumped by famous people are likely to accuse them of wrongdoing?

And btw, I love baseball. Bauer is a talented pitcher, a wealthy asshole and he may well dig kinky shit. But that's not new in the craziness of world-beating Uber talented narcissists.

But I have to ask: what makes him guilty at this very moment?

Who cares if a man or woman plies their trade until they are confirmed to have crossed the line which constitutes criminal guilt and receives the concomitant sentencing? I would think our justice system would prefer the reverse.

Not every crime is deserving of a life's sentence.

Can't he serve 100% of his time if and once he is convicted?

For example, let's say he offers her a million bucks, and she says "no way you sexually assaulted me" and he says "no I didn't but here's 10 mill, leave me alone and best wishes" and she takes the money... Should be be benched in advance of the above occurring (this is a hypothetical, I fully understand and acknowledge that).
Because there are pictures of her injuries . . .

If those texts are authentic how does one define the terms that she not only agreed to but encouraged? I don’t participate in that sexual arena but what does “Choke me out” mean in that context? Does that mean unconscious as in “out of consciousness?” Are there any limitations on what “feel the pain” allows?

It’s obv an awful look for Bauer. I just don’t know what these phrases allow in that arena. She did pursue a second night under these same rules so there is that too.
. . . which pictures, as I said above, show that her face "is visibly bruised and swollen, including under both of her eyes [and] a swollen jaw, bloodied lip and scratches to the side of her face" it's hard to imagine what someone could do/say to consent to this." As discussed upthread, one cannot consent if one is unconscious.
 

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That being said, the problem with the Dodgers not starting Bauer on Sunday is that this process is going to take a good deal of time. If they don't start Bauer on Sunday, does that mean they sit him until something else happens? And what would that be?

Also, the MLB's domestic violence allows for 7 days administrative leave while an investigation is being conducted, although that can be extended. http://content.mlb.com/documents/2/9/2/296982292/Major_League_Player_Joint_DV_SA_CA_Policy_English_2018.pdf

Lots of potential different outcomes but my guess is that Bauer pleads to some lesser crime; pays a fine; pays a settlement to the victim; and gets disciplined under the MLB's policy above with a suspension and a requirement to seek treatment.
 

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Couple things.

It’s obv an awful look for Bauer. I just don’t know what these phrases allow in that arena. She did pursue a second night under these same rules so there is that too.
1. This is kind of where I stand pending further information.... It hits me as a very strange series of events for me not be at least dubious about these claims...that said, I am prepared to listen/ change my position as more evidence is released.

2. Anyone proposing that Dave Roberts has a role in the personnel decision here: just no. This is a corporate (HR/legal/ownership/MLB) decision all the way.

3. And Average Reds...I don't mind you making your post (dissecting my post) some form of a personal assault, with respect to my values, my rush to judgement, my posing the question "will this be a criminal case or will it end in civil court with a monetary settlement and a gag order?"

But for me, it's not personal in any way.

I just want to offer that I am of the mindset that I would hope for a guy to be able to keep working, living, etc. albeit under the watchful, judgemental eye of the ever present social media/actual media commentators, many of whom are prepared to convict him prior to his having his day in court.
 
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Because there are pictures of her injuries . . .


. . . which pictures, as I said above, show that her face "is visibly bruised and swollen, including under both of her eyes [and] a swollen jaw, bloodied lip and scratches to the side of her face" it's hard to imagine what someone could do/say to consent to this." As discussed upthread, one cannot consent if one is unconscious.
It may be hard to imagine but she says right in her text to make her feel the pain. She said she wanted to be choked out (unconscious?). We can’t imagine bc we don’t live that type of sexual lifestyle. Some do.....my question is where is the line drawn? I don’t know the answer to this and I’m not going to pretend that I do since this isn’t my area of knowledge.
 

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It may be hard to imagine but she says right in her text to make her feel the pain. She said she wanted to be choked out (unconscious?). We can’t imagine bc we don’t live that type of sexual lifestyle. Some do.....my question is where is the line drawn? I don’t know the answer to this and I’m not going to pretend that I do since this isn’t my area of knowledge.
It seems like they’re both into BDSM (the choking, spanking, and even the unconscious sex part fall into that category. I think that’s why Bauer admits to punching her butt while being recorded).
Im not super into the BDSM culture but, as others have pointed out, the line is normally drawn when you have injuries that can’t be covered (IE facial injuries)

My amateur reading is that she was fine with everything the first time other than the anal stuff and the fingers down the throat. Before going over a second time, they talked, established a safe word and he told her he wouldn’t do those things and would be more safe…..and instead he ended up beating her up essentially.

I don’t know what comes of this but I’m pretty confident that what Bauer did wasn’t consensual and he should face a pretty harsh punishment. Who knows if that will happen
 

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Plenty of people engage in this sort of stuff without having their skull fractured.
 

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I know plenty of us are on the outside looking in when it comes to these lifestyle choices and I also know that plenty of us are asking questions in good faith but I would like to politely mention that many of these framing devices (“where do we draw the line?”) often—intentionally or unintentionally—contribute to a culture that stacks the deck against victims of sexual assualt.

I’m not saying it’s not valid to have these questions, I’m just saying it’s something to really think about.
 

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It also does say in the CNN link that he performed anal sex on her without her consent while she was unconscious and it caused injury. That's well beyond any imaginable line. If that turns out to be true, Bauer is a rapist.
 

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I know plenty of us are on the outside looking in when it comes to these lifestyle choices and I also know that plenty of us are asking questions in good faith but I would like to politely mention that many of these framing devices (“where do we draw the line?”) often—intentionally or unintentionally—contribute to a culture that stacks the deck against victims of sexual assualt.

I’m not saying it’s not valid to have these questions, I’m just saying it’s something to really think about.
I respectfully disagree with this. If a woman, in this instance, asks to be choked unconscious or nearly unconscious, or to be hit hard enough to feel the pain it is a fair question as to where a line is drawn and at what point is an injury considered an accident. Hit me hard, hit me real hard, oh but not that hard......yeah, it’s kind of difficult to say or prove what is assault and what is an accident.

I’m not defending Bauer by any means but to your point, I disagree that a woman agreeing to engage in these grey areas is similar to a sexual assault in a more traditional setting.
 

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I respectfully disagree with this. If a woman, in this instance, asks to be choked unconscious or nearly unconscious, or to be hit hard enough to feel the pain it is a fair question as to where a line is drawn and at what point is an injury considered an accident. Hit me hard, hit me real hard, oh but not that hard......yeah, it’s kind of difficult to say or prove what is assault and what is an accident.

I’m not defending Bauer by any means but to your point, I disagree that a woman agreeing to engage in these grey areas is similar to a sexual assault in a more traditional setting.
No. Consent is consent. I can consent to someone doing X but not X+1. A woman can consent to vaginal sex and not consent to anal sex; a woman (or a man) can consent to being choked to unconsciousness and still not consent to being penetrated while unconscious.

The line might be blurry, or it might not be. We don't know yet. It's a fact-intensive issue that may take time to sort out. But just because it's complicated shouldn't, in and of itself, be a factor that works against the accuser; that's inherently biased.
 

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It also does say in the CNN link that he performed anal sex on her without her consent while she was unconscious and it caused injury. That's well beyond any imaginable line. If that turns out to be true, Bauer is a rapist.
Problem is there is never going to be a way to determine if it is true or not, unless there is some smoking-gun video or something which doesn't seem to be the case. I find it vanishingly unlikely (unless more information/proof comes out) that a jury could ever find Bauer guilty of anything in this scenario because it is the definition of a "he says/she says" situation. He claims everything, including the violence, was consensual. She claims it wasn't and in fact she was passed out for the worst of it. And there is circumstantial evidence in favor of both of them - the texts for him, the photos of her injuries for her. I don't see how a jury could ever find that there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that any crime was committed.

Now, of course, that's a totally different standard from saying whether MLB should punish him - and I think they should (i don't know what their actual policies are). Particularly for questions of domestic violence/sexual assault, MLB (and any other sports leagues) should have basically a zero-tolerance standard - in other words, a suspension should be mandatory unless it's clear that the accusations are just totally bogus. It doesn't seem like that's a hard ask for players - considering they are making hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars in most cases I'd think they could and should be smart enough to not put themselves in any situation (like this one) where there is even a whiff of sexual assault or a question about consent. When confronted with this situation would it really be that hard for Bauer to be like "I get where you're coming from but you know I'm a national figure and I can't risk my job and reputation on anything that gets violent like that."

If I were drawing up the rules from scratch (and I get that in reality the union has a say here, obviously), I'd make it a three-strike policy along the lines of 50 game ban for first non-frivolous accusation, season ban for second, lifetime ban for third. And automatic lifetime ban for any criminal conviction for sexual- or domestic violence-related crimes.
 

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But just because it's complicated shouldn't, in and of itself, be a factor that works against the accuser; that's inherently biased.
Yeah, this is a better-worded, more concise way to put what I'm trying to get at.
 

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No. Consent is consent. I can consent to someone doing X but not X+1. A woman can consent to vaginal sex and not consent to anal sex; a woman (or a man) can consent to being choked to unconsciousness and still not consent to being penetrated while unconscious.

The line might be blurry, or it might not be. We don't know yet. It's a fact-intensive issue that may take time to sort out. But just because it's complicated shouldn't, in and of itself, be a factor that works against the accuser; that's inherently biased.
What if X is punch me in the face but that punch results in a fracture. Did she then consent to a punch that fractured her face or simply a punch? This is the example I’m speaking of in which the end result could be accidental and not vaginal/anal which the difference is clear as day.
 

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What if X is punch me in the face but that punch results in a fracture. Did she then consent to a punch that fractured her face or simply a punch? This is the example I’m speaking of not vaginal/anal which the difference is clear as day
I getcha. It's complicated! I don' t know. But what if the situation wasn't BDSM. What if it was two 18 year olds goofing around, and A says to B: "Hey, hit me in the face!" and B wheels back and break's A's eye socket, causing permanent vision impairment.

Is it reasonable to think that A consented to that?

What if just prior, B had told A to hit *him* in the face and A gave him a light tap? What if it was a really hard punch?

It changes things. Context and reactions are just as relevant as words, in many cases.

It's complicated.
 

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I don’t agree with your analysis, because I don’t think suspending a player who is innocent is no biggie. But I do agree that Bauer should sit, because the evidence so far strongly suggests he committed a crime. Maybe there won’t be conviction, but this certainly isn’t going to turn out like the Marv Albert case.

It’s easy to forget with how much the players earn, but MLB is a union shop. That means there are rules that management has to abide by, which in this case say it’s Manfred’s call. (Thanks to @McDrew for the knowledge.) So if Bauer starts Sunday, that’s not on Roberts or the Dodgers.
They don't have to suspend him, though. They can just say, "Hey, we're not gonna start Bauer this weekend. He's got tightness in his calf, he's come down with the Hellenic Flu." It's that easy. It's a union shop but a coach has the right to their lineup.
 

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What if X is punch me in the face but that punch results in a fracture. Did she then consent to a punch that fractured her face or simply a punch? This is the example I’m speaking of in which the end result could be accidental and not vaginal/anal which the difference is clear as day.
Well frankly, if you're a famous person worth millions, I'd submit that the onus is on the famous person to figure out exactly what the partner is consenting to and what the partner is not consenting to. As the victim mentioned, just because she consented doesn't mean that it was a "free-for-all."

Problem is there is never going to be a way to determine if it is true or not, unless there is some smoking-gun video or something which doesn't seem to be the case. I find it vanishingly unlikely (unless more information/proof comes out) that a jury could ever find Bauer guilty of anything in this scenario because it is the definition of a "he says/she says" situation. He claims everything, including the violence, was consensual. She claims it wasn't and in fact she was passed out for the worst of it. And there is circumstantial evidence in favor of both of them - the texts for him, the photos of her injuries for her. I don't see how a jury could ever find that there is evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that any crime was committed.
Neither the photos or the texts are circumstantial evidence. They are direct evidence.

At any rate, there is no way this case is going to trial, either in a criminal or civil case. It's in no one's interests to have people have to testify about all of this.
 

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Well frankly, if you're a famous person worth millions, I'd submit that the onus is on the famous person to figure out exactly what the partner is consenting to and what the partner is not consenting to. As the victim mentioned, just because she consented doesn't mean that it was a "free-for-all."
And I'd submit that this should be the case for anyone—famous, worth millions, or not.

(This isn't a counterpoint to your broader point, just an addendum)
 

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Problem is there is never going to be a way to determine if it is true or not, unless there is some smoking-gun video or something which doesn't seem to be the case.
So, this is definitely territory which I am seriously uncomfortable discussing due to my ignorance on the subject and my apprehension that I might not articulate my point correctly - especially in the event there are victims of sexual violence among us here. But, is it possible this is something a "rape kit" or other medical procedure could prove? Bauer's DNA being in places where it was not consensually allowed to be would be a legal issue corroborated by her testimony, no? Genuinely asking, although I'm not sure we can know specifics like this until further legal action proceeds and is made public.

I don't really want to believe someone can walk away legally unscathed from rape.
 

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And I'd submit that this should be the case for anyone—famous, worth millions, or not.

(This isn't a counterpoint to your broader point, just an addendum)
Another broader point that I don't think most men understand. Consent can be withdrawn at any time. Just because someone says in a text message that they want to engage in rough sex, if people aren't clear about what is and is not consented to, the other party can withdraw their consent at any time if that persons wants it.

In addition, an unconscious person can't consent.

So, this is definitely territory which I am seriously uncomfortable discussing due to my ignorance on the subject and my apprehension that I might not articulate my point correctly - especially in the event there are victims of sexual violence among us here. But, is it possible this is something a "rape kit" or other medical procedure could prove? Bauer's DNA being in places where it was not consensually allowed to be would be a legal issue corroborated by her testimony, no? Genuinely asking, although I'm not sure we can know specifics like this until further legal action proceeds and is made public.

I don't really want to believe someone can walk away legally unscathed from rape.
Just to answer your question - theoretically a rape kit could find evidence of semen or anal trauma to provide evidence that act occurred; however, IIRC, the anal sex was during the first encounter and the victim didn't go to the hospital until after the second encounter.
 

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So, this is definitely territory which I am seriously uncomfortable discussing due to my ignorance on the subject and my apprehension that I might not articulate my point correctly - especially in the event there are victims of sexual violence among us here. But, is it possible this is something a "rape kit" or other medical procedure could prove? Bauer's DNA being in places where it was not consensually allowed to be would be a legal issue corroborated by her testimony, no? Genuinely asking, although I'm not sure we can know specifics like this until further legal action proceeds and is made public.

I don't really want to believe someone can walk away legally unscathed from rape.
Yes you're spot on, but the question in THIS case is what was and was not consented to. Sadly that's the part that we won't have any ability to have a definitive answer on. It appears that Bauer's team isn't disputing any of the actual acts that she's claiming - just that she was on board with them 100%.
 

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I don't really want to believe someone can walk away legally unscathed from rape.
My daughter was raped a few years ago in college. Her assailant has walked away unscathed. Pursuing it was just way too difficult and we knew that the odds were incredibly long that he would be convicted. And even if we got a conviction, the extra trauma on my daughter might have been too much to bear anyway.

So he walks free.

I hope I never see him because if I do, *I* might not walk free after that. If you know what I mean.
 

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Yes you're spot on, but the question in THIS case is what was and was not consented to. Sadly that's the part that we won't have any ability to have a definitive answer on. It appears that Bauer's team isn't disputing any of the actual acts that she's claiming - just that she was on board with them 100%.
Relating to Bauer, he's a sick fuck to do them. Whether there consent or not.
 

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I'm unclear on how Bauer isn't suspended for quite a long time.

Domingo German was put on leave forcing him to miss 18 games at the end of the 2019 season and the postseason. He was then given an 81-game suspension in the offseason, despite no criminal charges being filed.
 

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I'm unclear on how Bauer isn't suspended for quite a long time.

Domingo German was put on leave forcing him to miss 18 games at the end of the 2019 season and the postseason. He was then given an 81-game suspension in the offseason, despite no criminal charges being filed.
Weren't there multiple witnesses who saw German hit his girlfriend?
 

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My daughter was raped a few years ago in college. Her assailant has walked away unscathed. Pursuing it was just way too difficult and we knew that the odds were incredibly long that he would be convicted. And even if we got a conviction, the extra trauma on my daughter might have been too much to bear anyway.

So he walks free.

I hope I never see him because if I do, *I* might not walk free after that. If you know what I mean.
Sorry to read this. Really disgusting how rape/sexual victims can be treated.
 

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I'm unclear on how Bauer isn't suspended for quite a long time.

Domingo German was put on leave forcing him to miss 18 games at the end of the 2019 season and the postseason. He was then given an 81-game suspension in the offseason, despite no criminal charges being filed.
Post #62. The initial suspension is seven days, but it can be extended.
 

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They don't have to suspend him, though. They can just say, "Hey, we're not gonna start Bauer this weekend. He's got tightness in his calf, he's come down with the Hellenic Flu." It's that easy. It's a union shop but a coach has the right to their lineup.
If Bauer is cooperative, then of course they can say he’s hurt/sick. I’m assuming he wants to take the ball Sunday.
 

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Per everyone, MLB has placed Bauer on leave. Here’s a link.

https://apple.news/AJkDuR6CTTk-ehl4uwkvghQ

Credit where credit is due: Manfred took decisive action.

But from the article:

Under MLB’s domestic violence, sexual assault and child abuse policy, commissioner Rob Manfred can place Bauer on paid administrative leave for seven days. The league can only extend the leave beyond seven days in agreement with the players union.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 

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Relating to Bauer, he's a sick fuck to do them. Whether there consent or not.
In no way am I defending Bauer, but this seems a bit naive and unnecessarily judgemental to anyone who actually does enjoy such acts and commits/experiences them in manners that protect and are consented to by all participants properly.
 

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In no way am I defending Bauer, but this seems a bit naive and unnecessarily judgemental to anyone who actually does enjoy such acts and commits/experiences them in manners that protect and are consented to by all participants properly.
There are lines--even in the world of "consensual activity" that should not be crossed.

I'm pretty non- judgemental, but I'm on board with thinking that people who actively participate in (as opposed to pretend, fantasy or whatever) behavior that causes serious injury, irreversible harm or involves having sex with people who are actually--not pretend--unconscious are not okay.

I didn't look at the German story where a guy wanted to hire someone to cut off his penis and say "that's fine."
 

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In no way am I defending Bauer, but this seems a bit naive and unnecessarily judgemental to anyone who actually does enjoy such acts and commits/experiences them in manners that protect and are consented to by all participants properly.
He gets off on hurting women. Even if it is consensual and may be legal, it doesn't change the fact he is a sick bastard.
 
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I watch his vlog, and a guy that starts every video mocking Ken Rosenthal as a “gossip blogger” looks especially stupid doing the kind of thing that justifies gossip blogs.

Fairly or not athletes are held to a high standard, David Price took shit from Boston press and fans for playing Fortnite, I’m all for athletes enjoying their lives with harmless hobbies, but boy if the expectation was that if it came out that Trevor Bauer punched women for sexual pleasure, which is not a harmless hobby, it would be easily justified to the public by saying the women were willing to be punched that is quite optimistic. If in Bauer’s best defense this woman asked for money to keep quiet and Bauer refused to pay her so she exaggerated the story beyond Trevor Bauer punches women for sexual pleasure, Bauer would be stupid to not pay her and learn the lesson that maybe pursuing this hobby further should wait until retirement.
 

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Bauer also has an ugly history of harassing women online. That seems to come from the same place as the physical abuse.
 

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I just want to offer that I am of the mindset that I would hope for a guy to be able to keep working, living, etc. albeit under the watchful, judgemental eye of the ever present social media/actual media commentators, many of whom are prepared to convict him prior to his having his day in court.
Suspending Bauer from playing in MLB while he is under investigation is not the same thing as convicting him. Nor does it deprive him of his day in court.
 

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He gets off on hurting women. Even if it is consensual and may be legal, it doesn't change the fact he is a sick bastard.
Thank you. I mean you want to do this shit, fine. But it's probably best not to have a public profile profession where your twisted behavior is going to make corporate sponsors squirm.