MLB 2017 Offseason signings news/rumors

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Starting Eric Hosmer at 200 million was silly. He is not worth anything close to that. It just signaled that he was going to be unreasonable and it looks like most teams are content to just get one of the older versions of Hosmer for 1/3 of the price. Hosmer doesn't even make sense in San Diego considering Myers cant really play the OF.
 

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Youth and flexibility (not positional as much as roster flexibility, the ability to option someone back to AAA if needed) are increasingly important in recent years and such a large percentage of recent big contracts have ended up as almost immediate millstones, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out. Boras will definitely earn his commissions this year if he gets his guys even half of the numbers he was throwing around a month ago.
 

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Youth and flexibility (not positional as much as roster flexibility, the ability to option someone back to AAA if needed) are increasingly important in recent years and such a large percentage of recent big contracts have ended up as almost immediate millstones, it's going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out. Boras will definitely earn his commissions this year if he gets his guys even half of the numbers he was throwing around a month ago.
It's as if there are only so many $20 million + contracts to players over 30 that a team can carry at one time on a 25-man roster, especially when nearly all of them end up to be obstacles by the end of the deal (or sometimes much sooner). Even JD Martinez starts to look more like the next Richie Sexson or Jason Bay with stakes this high.
 

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Yoder Alonso to Indians

I'll try to wait for the next move (or for the other shoe to drop), but for now, letting Carlos Santana walk and replacing him with one from the pack of 1B seemingly coming off a career year is not a good look for the Indians. They need to be working to extend their window of contention and market themselves to a perpetually pessimistic fan base, so this isn't the time to go cheap. They can still come out ahead if they use the $44M difference between the Santana/Alonso contracts to upgrade in right field (such as bringing Jay Bruce back).

In that scenario Lonnie Chisenhall could be traded to free up some more money or kept to back up all three outfield spots + first base. Ideally their 4th outfielder would be a right-handed bat, but it's hard to complain about Chiz as a 4th outfielder and Brandon Guyer still gives them a righty off the bench. Both Chisenhall and Michael Brantley are entering their last year before free agency, so it also makes some sense to get another outfielder under contract this off-season.

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They were just saying on Intentional Talk that ‘Ellsbury has said he’d waive no trade clause to go to Giants’. I sincerely hope NY is picking up the tab.
What’s your guess on how much of the 68 million SF would be expected to pick up for the next 3 years? 20 mil?
 

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How much of the 68 million should SF reasonably be expected to pick up for the next 3 years? 20 mil?
I would say yes, 3/21 seems about right in a vacuum, but maybe Cashman can get them to take more if he includes prospects.
 

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Knowing Cashman, he'll send Ellsbury to the Giants, who will pick up 15M/yr AND include a couple of prospects back to New York. I'm only half joking. Cashman is a magician.
 

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Nice work if you can get it! How does a reliever live up to that in the rarified air of Colorado?
I don't think he will. He showed cracks last year and he's 32, but that seems like the "proven closer" market rate. I actually thought he'd get 4 years.
 

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Rockies may be buying up bullpen arms to trade them at the deadline. They can eat some dollars for better prospects, in effect buying prospects. Surprised more teams don't do this. Of course if things go well and they are in the post season hunt they keep them and its money well spent
 

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Rockies may be buying up bullpen arms to trade them at the deadline. They can eat some dollars for better prospects, in effect buying prospects. Surprised more teams don't do this. Of course if things go well and they are in the post season hunt they keep them and its money well spent
You mean, repeating as a playoff team from last year?
 

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You mean, repeating as a playoff team from last year?
Yeah, Inimagine the Rockies are hoping they’re a 2017 playoff team addressing an area of weakness with an eye toward a deeper playoff run next season. Their bullpen ERA was 20th in baseball last year (although, to be fair, it was a cover your eyes 30th in ‘15 & ‘16). And lest you think it’s just because they play in the stratosphere, in their 2007 World Series run they managed to sport the 10th best bullpen ERA.

This season, despite the solid turns by Greg Holland, Jake McGee, and Chris Rusin, the middle and back of their bullpen needed work — Oberg was bad all year and Ottavino’s ERA after the ASB was 5.74. (It’s why they traded for Neshek.)
 

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As we all know repeating as a WC team is not that easy. BP arms are a great trading chip for when things go wrong
Who is really in the NL playoff hunt, though? Chicago is clearly the best team in the Central, the Nationals are alone in the East. The Dodgers and Diamondbacks will be duking it out in the West. So that leaves the Rockies trying to fend off the Pirates and Cardinals, I guess?

The Rockies should be planning on being a playoff team this year, not hedging their bets.
 

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Who is really in the NL playoff hunt, though? Chicago is clearly the best team in the Central, the Nationals are alone in the East. The Dodgers and Diamondbacks will be duking it out in the West. So that leaves the Rockies trying to fend off the Pirates and Cardinals, I guess?

The Rockies should be planning on being a playoff team this year, not hedging their bets.
I think the Giants and Brewers should also be on the WC contender side of the ledger. The Brewers were in first place at the All Star break last year, and neither they or the Giants are in full-on tanking youth movement mode like the Reds and most of the NL East. I don't know that the Rockies are a lock for the post-season just yet.
 

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It would be far from unprecedented for the Phillies to accelerate their timetable and be in the WC hunt this year, especially if they can grab an average-ish 3B somehow.
 

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I think the Giants and Brewers should also be on the WC contender side of the ledger. The Brewers were in first place at the All Star break last year, and neither they or the Giants are in full-on tanking youth movement mode like the Reds and most of the NL East. I don't know that the Rockies are a lock for the post-season just yet.
Well, I didn't argue they are a lock. I argued that they shouldn't be making moves with the driving force being to set themselves up to sell at the deadline. They should be making moves that help them get back to the playoffs.
 

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It would be far from unprecedented for the Phillies to accelerate their timetable and be in the WC hunt this year, especially if they can grab an average-ish 3B somehow.
Maikel Franco is too young for them to be giving up on. There's no reason why he can't take a big step forward.
 

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This is interesting, presumably Donaldson is not being traded so maybe he will play 2B?

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Source: The Toronto Blue Jays have traded for Yangervis Solarte from San Diego.
One of the chief objectives (according to the Blue Jay FO) of the off season was to acquire an adequate middle IF to augment their current incumbents - Tulowitzki and Travis - who are not particularly good and hurt all the time.

It remains to be seen if Solarte is "adequate". As a backup he's probably OK .. as a starter .. maybe less so.
 

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I'm actually glad he isn't a Yankee. It felt like if they made that deal, they would've had to give up someone I wouldn't want to see go, particularly not for Cole. I'm just not that high on him.
 

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At least he isn’t a Yankee
Well, yeah ... but he is going to the WS champions ... so there's a trade-off.

Smart move by the Astors. Cole not only doesn't have to be the ace, but he has Verlander and Keuchel to watch first-hand and pick up a few things from. Cole, McHugh and Morton is as strong a 3-4-5 as there is

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I understand it hasn't happen (yet), but if Houston offers a better deal than Frazier and Adams, good on 'em. I won't be sad if Cashman stands pat.
 

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I understand it hasn't happen (yet), but if Houston offers a better deal than Frazier and Adams, good on 'em. I won't be sad if Cashman stands pat.
Cashman is playing this correctly. And really, let's look at this. Is Gerrit Cole better than Jordan Montgomery (which is who he would be replacing)? Who is Gerrit Cole better than in Houston's starting five? He will probably be bumping Brad Peacock, but frankly I would rather have Peacock.
 

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Cashman is playing this correctly. And really, let's look at this. Is Gerrit Cole better than Jordan Montgomery (which is who he would be replacing)? Who is Gerrit Cole better than in Houston's starting five? He will probably be bumping Brad Peacock, but frankly I would rather have Peacock.
I think teams are not as down on Cole as you are, hence the asking price reports. Though, his numbers don't offer as much hope as his stuff does.
 

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I think teams are not as down on Cole as you are, hence the asking price reports. Though, his numbers don't offer as much hope as his stuff does.
I am not necessarily down on Cole. I just don't know that he is an improvement over the guys already on both the Yankees and Astros staffs, then you factor in the prospect package.
 

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Cole had never had a FIP under 3.33 until last year (4.08), which was driven by an HR rate that was more that double his career high and likely a fluke. He'd fit in nicely anywhere,
 

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Cole had never had a FIP under 3.33 until last year (4.08), which was driven by an HR rate that was more that double his career high and likely a fluke. He'd fit in nicely anywhere,
But as a #3 or a #4 on top staffs with two years of control left, he's very similar to Sonny Gray. Both fit in any rotation, as you say, but how many top prospects is two years of control worth?

Also I'm not sure the HRs are necessarily a fluke, his FB seems to be pretty straight and HRs were up in general last year and maybe he is a bad fit for the launch angle revolution. Also PIT is one of the tougher HR parks and NY is one of the easier ones (plus the NL to AL move usually adds around a quarter of a run per game), so the three top prospects that it was rumored he'd cost (Frazier, Adams, Andujar in NY's case although honestly I doubt Cashman actually offered that much) is a lot.

Sonny Gray is very comparable to Cole as I said above, very similar career numbers and both with two years of control left (Gray actually 2 1/2 then), and he cost three top prospects but two were badly injured at the time, the above package is definitely a stronger one IMO. I think NY is/was better off holding out for Fulmer or Archer mid-summer once they've shown again that they're worthy of that kind of package (Fulmer had arm surgery late last year and Archer was inexplicably awful in September including leaving at least one game with the dreaded 'forearm strain').

(Sorry, I have read approximately two billion words on Cole in the last month or so since the Cole-to-NY rumors started)
 

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Is anyone actually uncomfortable with Montgomery holding down a rotation slot next season? Cole may have a better pedigree and maybe more pure stuff, but I sort of see Montgomery as our own Eduardo Rodriguez. Solid, with a chance to improve, and we have already seen him perform in Yankee Stadium and the ALE. I'm fine with that. By all means make a move at the deadline if needed.
 

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If NY gets a top SP, I think they will still try to get Montgomery 20-25 starts. Cashman would like to rotate six guys through the five rotation spots and keep them all fresh (plus there are always injuries) and he doesn't seem to quite trust German or Adams in this role yet (although maybe he does since he hasn't actually gotten a sixth guy yet).
 

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If NY gets a top SP, they will still try to get Montgomery 20-25 starts, Cashman would like to rotate six guys through the five rotation spots and keep them all fresh (plus there are always injuries) and he doesn't seem to quite trust German or Adams in this role yet (although maybe he does since he hasn't actually gotten a sixth guy yet).
I'm game as long as that top starter is definitely better than Montgomery. That isn't the case with the Cole's and Corbin's of the world.
 

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"Pitcher Yu Darvish remains a free agent, but he has reportedly narrowed his options down to the Texas Rangers, New York Yankees, Chicago Cubs, Houston Astros and Minnesota Twins, according to Jeff Wilson of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/mlb/texas-rangers/article193970484.html

I think this even overstates the case, as the Rangers beat reporters have insisted all offseason that TEX will not go after any big money FAs this winter and the dinner that Darvish and Daniels had last month was just a friendly one, not business.

I have thought all offseason that Darvish would end up in MIN, assuming they are willing to pay big for him, but we'll see. NY would almost certainly have to trade Gardner to fit Darvish's salary in and safely stay under $197M.