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Reached by ESPN on Monday evening, Porter acknowledged texting with the woman. He initially said he had not sent any pictures of himself. When told the exchanges show he had sent selfies and other pictures, he said that "the more explicit ones are not of me. Those are like, kinda like joke-stock images."
Come on man! That’s like the worst lie you can say.
 

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To me, this isn't a "sincere apology and rehabilitation" offense. He should be gone
 

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Here’s Alderson’s statement. That they have not terminated him immediately is totally unacceptable.

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The guy sent 60 (SIXTY!) unanswered texts to this poor woman, including the pictures. That's legitimately psychotic, unhinged behavior. If he's not fired tomorrow... well, he's going to be fired, so it's not worth the thought experiment.
 

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The guy sent 60 (SIXTY!) unanswered texts to this poor woman, including the pictures. That's legitimately psychotic, unhinged behavior. If he's not fired tomorrow... well, he's going to be fired, so it's not worth the thought experiment.
I could also see it being the behavior of an alcoholic. I'm not excusing the behavior - he owns his actions either way. But in my mind, the introduction of alcohol does help explain how 60 unanswered texts even happens. Otherwise, it just doesn't compute for me.
 

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It's all grotesque and he's going to be fired.

The 62 unanswered text thing is so bizarre I almost don't believe it. Is there a chance she deleted her responses or something? Doesn't matter either way, but just so so strange.
 

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Between Boston and Chicago, Theo, Jed, and Jason McLeod worked with this guy for between 6-8 years. Zack Scott and Amiel Sawdaye worked with him even longer. This kind of psycho pervert behavior, 60+ texts and dick pics, doesn't seem like the sort of thing you do your first time. Did none of them really have any clue, no hint at all, over all those years, that he was a creep? This is really the first time anybody knew anything about it? I don't know.
 

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Mets! Let's not forget last winter they had to fire their manager Beltran before he managed a single game, going for the GM double.
 

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Between Boston and Chicago, Theo, Jed, and Jason McLeod worked with this guy for between 6-8 years. Zack Scott and Amiel Sawdaye worked with him even longer. This kind of psycho pervert behavior, 60+ texts and dick pics, doesn't seem like the sort of thing you do your first time. Did none of them really have any clue, no hint at all, over all those years, that he was a creep? This is really the first time anybody knew anything about it? I don't know.
Yeah, this is creeping me out.

Most strikingly, Porter reportedly stood up for Addison Russell and argued to acquire Aroldis Chapman, two of the less-seemly recent Cubs storylines. One wonders how the culture surrounding the Boston FO pre-2012 would hold up to modern reporting.
 

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Here’s Alderson’s statement. That they have not terminated him immediately is totally unacceptable.

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Yeah, he is gone but the Mets are being the Mets. They are going to wait until they are forced. Sandy Alderson should be going with him. Unless he new owner is a meathead, he should be pissed that this would go to day 2.
 

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I could also see it being the behavior of an alcoholic. I'm not excusing the behavior - he owns his actions either way. But in my mind, the introduction of alcohol does help explain how 60 unanswered texts even happens. Otherwise, it just doesn't compute for me.
It's all grotesque and he's going to be fired.

The 62 unanswered text thing is so bizarre I almost don't believe it. Is there a chance she deleted her responses or something? Doesn't matter either way, but just so so strange.
Amazed people find this behavior "bizarre." I have many female friends who have multiple men who have probably texted them 60 times+ without a response over the last year*.

I guess if you aren't familiar with internet dating at all you might find it bizarre.

It's wrong, and it's unacceptable but it's not exactly uncommon.
 
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I have many female friends who have multiple men who have probably texted them 60 times+ without a response over the last month.

It's wrong, and it's unacceptable but it's not exactly uncommon.
I guess I'm not up with the times.

You have multiple female friends who each have had multiple men text them 60+ times with no response in the last month? Now THAT is bizarre.
 

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I guess I'm not up with the times.

You have multiple female friends who each have had multiple men text them 60+ times with no response in the last month? Now THAT is bizarre.
It was a typo. I meant year, but maybe I do live in bizarro world.


edit: It's mostly just strange men they've never talked to saying hi a couple times every week. Some of had the same guys trying for years. Guys are fucking crazy.
 

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Mets! Let's not forget last winter they had to fire their manager Beltran before he managed a single game, going for the GM double.
I mean, what about the Cubs apparently never picking up on this and/or doing anything about it? Really gross all around.
 

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I mean, what about the Cubs apparently never picking up on this and/or doing anything about it? Really gross all around.
There is a Cubs employee quoted in the article who admits that he acted as a go between in what appears to be an obvious attempt to persuade/intimidate her into not suing the Cubs. While the connection up the ladder is not explicit, I have no doubt that the Cubs knew all about it.

Meanwhile, in what universe does Sandy Alderson not immediately suspend Porter pending his official termination? The guy admits that he did it. He's got to go.
 

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We have terminated Jared Porter this morning . In my initial press conference I spoke about the importance of integrity and I meant it.There should be zero tolerance for this type of behavior.
 
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Good. See ya. Amazing and sobering how little self-control these idiots have. Sending 1 harassing text is too much. Not being able to stop yourself from sending 60+ and culminating with the picture is truly psychotic.
 

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Firing the guy 9 hours after the story broke is certainly prompt....in that time they had to speak to him, speak to their lawyers, speak across SAC/Alderson. All overnight.

Appropriate response, and agree that "what does this say about the Cubs front office culture" is something it is hard not to wonder about.
 

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What kind of simulation are we living in where Steve Cohen will now be forever known as the man who brought a sense of ethics to the Mets?

(BTW, good for Cohen.)
 

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Between Boston and Chicago, Theo, Jed, and Jason McLeod worked with this guy for between 6-8 years. Zack Scott and Amiel Sawdaye worked with him even longer. This kind of psycho pervert behavior, 60+ texts and dick pics, doesn't seem like the sort of thing you do your first time. Did none of them really have any clue, no hint at all, over all those years, that he was a creep? This is really the first time anybody knew anything about it? I don't know.

I mean, I once worked 10 feet from a guy who was got caught with a shit ton of child porn on their computer. They were arrested, charged, convicted and went to prison. Later in my career, I worked with people who had a teammate (just before I joined the team) who tried to join ISIS (he was a h47 maintainer). In the case of the former, we all sort of thought the guy was an asshole. But no one expected he'd be arrested at work. In the case of the former, folks said he was always off but no one suspected the guy of joining ISIS. It's also worth noting that I spoke to folks who knew him 2-3 years after the fact, so it's entirely possible that their memories of him are largely informed by the fact that he ended up getting arrested in Syria.

Sometimes the person you work next to, is into some really dark shit and you had no way of knowing.

Porter should be out of baseball forever.
 

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If the story as currently reported is true, then the Cubs organization comes out looking horrible. MLB needs to investigate and drop the hammer to send a message across baseball.
 

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If the story as currently reported is true, then the Cubs organization comes out looking horrible. MLB needs to investigate and drop the hammer to send a message across baseball.
It will be interesting to see what Theo says about this from his ivory perch.
 

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If the story as currently reported is true, then the Cubs organization comes out looking horrible. MLB needs to investigate and drop the hammer to send a message across baseball.
Which is complicated by the reality MLB just hired the guy who oversaw all of this in Chicago. Now, as billy ashley noted, the fact it went on while Porter was in Chi does not mean others necessarily knew or should have known. It does mean someone needs to ask and explore that a bit, I think. I guess the question is whether MLB's lawyers talk to Cubs people or asks the Cubs to look around themselves and share the report, more or less.
 
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Which is complicated by the reality MLB just hired the guy who oversaw all of this in Chicago. Now, as billy ashley noted, the fact it went on while Porter was in Chi does not mean others necessarily knew or should have known. It does mean someone needs to ask and explore that a bit, I think. I guess the question is whether MLB's lawyers talk to Cubs people or asks the Cubs to look around themselves and share the report, more or less.
We already know from the article that other people (the "unnamed Cubs employee") in the organization knew about it. It may be impossible to prove that knowledge went up the chain, but I don't believe for a second that this one employee, who was quoted as saying "I didn't want to ruin anything" didn't share this information with others.
 

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Which is complicated by the reality MLB just hired the guy who oversaw all of this in Chicago. Now, as billy ashley noted, the fact it went on while Porter was in Chi does not mean others necessarily knew or should have known. It does mean someone needs to ask and explore that a bit, I think. I guess the question is whether MLB's lawyers talk to Cubs people or asks the Cubs to look around themselves and share the report, more or less.
It is confirmed that at least one Cubs employee was informed and acted as a go-between. The Cubs organization does not get to use the 'Oh, we didn't know' excuse a s get-out-of-jail-free card - at minimum, it speaks to a major organizational failing that an employee could receive such news and feel empowered not only to act on it solo (and actually encourage the woman to 'use this to her advantage', whatever that means) but not feel the need to report it upwards to their superiors. Huge red flags here.
 

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Amazed people find this behavior "bizarre." I have many female friends who have multiple men who have probably texted them 60 times+ without a response over the last year*.

I guess if you aren't familiar with internet dating at all you might find it bizarre.

It's wrong, and it's unacceptable but it's not exactly uncommon.
Agree with this 100%. It’s hardly bizarre. The only thing that’s missing here is the guy then getting super angry that she isn’t responding to the string of unsolicited texts
 

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In the history of mankind, has the 60th message ever finally done it? I'm glad people think that's weird because it super is. I mean, I can totally wrap my mind around the idea that it's common, but it's fucking weird.

Also, that picture should be in "people who look guilty"
 

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In the history of mankind, has the 60th message ever finally done it? I'm glad people think that's weird because it super is. I mean, I can totally wrap my mind around the idea that it's common, but it's fucking weird.

Also, that picture should be in "people who look guilty"
We men have been told through movies and TV shows our whole lives that women dig persistence. If you want a woman enough, all you have to do is keep declaring your love for her over and over, and never take no for an answer, and eventually she will give in and give you a chance and fall in love with you.

And it even used to be true. My mother and father have been married for fifty years, and she still lovingly tells stories about how she turned my father down multiple times for a date, but he kept asking and eventually she said yes.

It's a sick part of our culture.
 

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Agree with this 100%. It’s hardly bizarre. The only thing that’s missing here is the guy then getting super angry that she isn’t responding to the string of unsolicited texts
Thank you for saying this. Porter isn't an outlier, he's an increasingly mainstream manifestation of typical toxic male behavior.

I work with graduate students and have several close female friends who are substantially younger than me (I'm 49). They have all experienced this type of disgusting harassment.
 

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It is confirmed that at least one Cubs employee was informed and acted as a go-between. The Cubs organization does not get to use the 'Oh, we didn't know' excuse a s get-out-of-jail-free card - at minimum, it speaks to a major organizational failing that an employee could receive such news and feel empowered not only to act on it solo (and actually encourage the woman to 'use this to her advantage', whatever that means) but not feel the need to report it upwards to their superiors. Huge red flags here.
To be clear, I am not at all of the view that the Cubs can use that excuse. I am just noting that a reporter saying one person represented they knew this at the time is different than fully investigating who knew what and when (and confirming all representations in different directions---both of what was known and not). We certainly do not want to let them off, which is why I initially noted this is problematic for Theo. And, we also don't want to immediately impute knowledge to everyone in the Cubs organization, either, until that imputation is supported by investigation.

More or less, we're in the very early days here. And I think very reasonable to say that this is looking like a significant problem for Cubs in most likely scenarios.
 

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Certainly feels like there was knowledge of this in the Cubs organization. If it comes out that knowledge went to or near the top, and was ignored, then a lot of other reputations and careers are going to take a big hit, and will absolutely deserve to. But I will say that the general notion that colleagues and supervisors should or do know about bad private behavior of a co-worker/subordinates is very often not the case. We frequently just don't really know the people we work with all that well. And unless you're somehow accessing their private text messages, phones calls, internet activity, etc., you don't really know what your co-workers are doing in their private time. Porter should absolutely never work in baseball again.
 

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The Cubs did know. Passan says there was discussion among all parties during Porter's Cubs days during which the woman felt as though the Cubs were less than helpful.

I mean, it's in the story
 

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We men have been told through movies and TV shows our whole lives that women dig persistence. If you want a woman enough, all you have to do is keep declaring your love for her over and over, and never take no for an answer, and eventually she will give in and give you a chance and fall in love with you.

And it even used to be true. My mother and father have been married for fifty years, and she still lovingly tells stories about how she turned my father down multiple times for a date, but he kept asking and eventually she said yes.
I assume his pants were zipped when he asked.
 

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How could the Diamondbacks hire Porter? Didn't they do s background check? Forget the Cubs. Why did this not come up during the Diamondbacks search?
 

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I'm assuming that other ex-Cubs employee who was the go-between is going to be named pretty quickly (and rightfully so).
 

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Certainly feels like there was knowledge of this in the Cubs organization. If it comes out that knowledge went to or near the top, and was ignored, then a lot of other reputations and careers are going to take a big hit, and will absolutely deserve to. But I will say that the general notion that colleagues and supervisors should or do know about bad private behavior of a co-worker/subordinates is very often not the case. We frequently just don't really know the people we work with all that well. And unless you're somehow accessing their private text messages, phones calls, internet activity, etc., you don't really know what your co-workers are doing in their private time. Porter should absolutely never work in baseball again.
Without getting too specific about the fratty and nearly-all-male front office atmosphere that the glowing profiles of Theo Epstein always mentioned, I will say broadly that if we give leaders of organizations a lot of credit for creating a "culture" of winning or whatever (for example), we should assign them some blame for creating a culture where someone feels they can behave this way and not face consequences.
 

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The Cubs did know. Passan says there was discussion among all parties during Porter's Cubs days during which the woman felt as though the Cubs were less than helpful.

I mean, it's in the story

She considered alerting the Cubs but said she was concerned about possible repercussions. That summer, she said, she had developed a serious sleeping problem and was wracked with anxiety about whether she had made the wrong decision in coming to the U.S. Eventually, the woman said, she told her bosses, who referred her to a lawyer and connected her with a Cubs employee from her home country.

The woman and the employee met during the 2016 postseason in Chicago. The woman did not want to identify the employee publicly because she feared retribution. The employee, she said, told her Porter wanted to apologize in person. She said she did not want to see him. The employee, she said, encouraged her to use the situation to her advantage. She said he pressed her numerous times on whether she planned to file a lawsuit against Porter.

In an interview on Monday, the employee confirmed he knows Porter and the woman and that he had discussed the situation with both. When asked by ESPN if he told the woman to use the situation to her advantage, the employee said: "I was just listening to both. I didn't want to ruin anything. I didn't want to be on one side."
On the one hand, I do think it strains credulity to think that this random Cubs employee was identified by the woman's employer as a go-between without some kind of communication with the Cubs.

On the other hand, the article does not say anywhere that the Cubs were actually told about this. I suspect the article would've been very clear about this if they could demonstrate knowledge on the part of Cubs higher-ups.
 

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Thank you for saying this. Porter isn't an outlier, he's an increasingly mainstream manifestation of typical toxic male behavior.

I work with graduate students and have several close female friends who are substantially younger than me (I'm 49). They have all experienced this type of disgusting harassment.
I just read an article last week about a the way people can do this through Airdrop, or some other feature when you can send someone an unsolicited photo and the dick pics are happening to girls in high school and younger
As a father of a 12yo daughter, this is scary as hell for me and I feel very disturbed this could happen to her and others

edit/ This was the article I read
https://www.cbc.ca/parents/learning/view/new-way-teens-get-nudes-didnt-ask-for-online-safety-expert