Mets don't acquire Carlos Gomez
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Gomez contract, per Cots...not bad...
Carlos Gomez cf
3 years/$24M (2014-16)
signed extension with Milwaukee 3/13/13
14:$7M, 15:$8M, 16:$9M
award bonuses, including $50,000 for All-Star selection
Carlos Gomez cf
3 years/$24M (2014-16)
signed extension with Milwaukee 3/13/13
14:$7M, 15:$8M, 16:$9M
award bonuses, including $50,000 for All-Star selection
Bob Montgomery's Helmet Hat said:
To be fair, they originally got Wheeler for less than a year of Beltran, so you could argue it's overall an upgrade!
I assume it's more that Wheeler is probably 4th on the current depth chart (even pre-injury he wasn't as good as DeGrom, Syndergaard, Harvey have been), and they went after the best player they could get? You can argue that Gomez isn't enough, but he's probably underpaid for the next 1 1/3 years (only due $9M for 2016), so it's not even as bad as the typical 'trade for an overpaid slugger' deal.
I'm kind of saddened, as the thought of those three + Wheeler + Matz next year was fun to play around with, but they're probably a better team for 2015 and 2016 after this deal, and the pitching uncertainty works both ways - who knows what'll happen to their top 3 starters by the time Wheeler comes back from the injury, and the NL East seems pretty open this year with the Nationals struggling and everyone else mediocre or rebuilding, so they might as well push a few more chips in this year while all three are doing well. If they can nab a playoff spot, they're suddenly one of the most dangerous playoff teams with that rotation, so any nominal win boost could be an enormous benefit.
Flores was just took the field at the Mets game at SS. If he was traded why the hell did they leave him in the game?
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Mets are jackasses
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While that may be true, it's entirely possible he asked to play one last game. In which case it's pretty good of them to risk getting the trade killed with an injury just to let him do so.
Any time you can trade five years of a 24 year old with a K/9 above 9 for less than a year and a half of Carlos Gomez, you make that deal.
Though they may be down on his prognosis going forward, so it's more of a lottery ticket for the Brewers. We'll see.
Though they may be down on his prognosis going forward, so it's more of a lottery ticket for the Brewers. We'll see.
So when people said it was done....
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/626586963559215105
The GM says nope, and not gonna happen.
https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/626586963559215105
The GM says nope, and not gonna happen.
It seems the Mets are perhaps just more incompetent than they are jackasses, as it turns out....
Maybe the Cards swooped in with an attractive offer after Holliday went down. The Brewers wanted to re-open negotiations and the Mets told them to pound sand.
this is bizarre in too many ways to count right now. i just need to blame the wilpons for something something.
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Another strange thing about this deal is that the Mets already have three OFers under contract next year, Granderson/Cuddyer/Lagares, and there's obviously no DH in the NL. So maybe they had another deal in the works if this went through?
The only Mets-bashing that I see reasonable here is the handling of Flores (which I agree was dumb, they should've pulled him before it got out of hand).
Otherwise, I'm failing to see the Mets incompetence here? They made a deal pending medical records, the Brewers got Wheeler's and didn't like something, and the deal was off. Why is this an issue other than the NY media falling over themselves to report a deal as 'done' before the actual people involved agreed to it?
@jon, I assume part of it is Lagares really needs either rest or surgery to deal with his injuries, and who knows how long that'll actually be... Teams are basically treating his arm like Ellsbury at this point, he's clearly not anywhere near 100%, and it's dragging his offense down as well. If they're willing to accept Cuddyer as a sunk cost (I hope so), they needed a real competent outfielder anyway.
Otherwise, I'm failing to see the Mets incompetence here? They made a deal pending medical records, the Brewers got Wheeler's and didn't like something, and the deal was off. Why is this an issue other than the NY media falling over themselves to report a deal as 'done' before the actual people involved agreed to it?
@jon, I assume part of it is Lagares really needs either rest or surgery to deal with his injuries, and who knows how long that'll actually be... Teams are basically treating his arm like Ellsbury at this point, he's clearly not anywhere near 100%, and it's dragging his offense down as well. If they're willing to accept Cuddyer as a sunk cost (I hope so), they needed a real competent outfielder anyway.
He probably has Matt Kemp disease (arthritis) or Mike Napoli disease (AVN). A little odd to back out if he just has 1 year at 9M left after this season and he doesn't have any symptoms though. The Kemp and Napoli things were both more problematic because of the long term commitment concerns.
agreed. On top of that, as much as Boras denies it, Gomez WAS dealing with a hip injury earlier this season.rembrat said:
Gomez admitted it himself
Sure, but the owner getting cold feet over adding payroll when the GM comes to him to approve the deal isn't totally unreasonable, especially for Wilpon.rembrat said:
I think the Mets got out of this deal when they realized they were giving up too much (or realized they could give up much less for Cespedes). For me, the Gomez trade didn’t make sense for the Mets—they would be trading years of controllable assets (and good ones, Flores and Wheeler) for a great player in Gomez who will soon want a billion dollar contract. A better alternative: hold on to Flores and Wheeler (valuable controllable assets) and trade for Cespedes. I like Fullmer quite a bit, but he isn’t Wheeler, who can be compared to a young AJ Burnett.
So the hip thing may have been an excuse for getting out of a deal that wasn’t in the Mets long term best interest. Smart move by Sandy Alderson, who did an excellent job at the trade deadline.
So the hip thing may have been an excuse for getting out of a deal that wasn’t in the Mets long term best interest. Smart move by Sandy Alderson, who did an excellent job at the trade deadline.
But nothing changed in the interim, backing out was probably smarter than making the deal, but the actual smart move would have been to not try to make the deal to begin with because it made the Mets look bad for backing out at the last second for alleged health reasons, only to have him traded elsewhere the next day. Also I doubt they knew Cespedes was on the market when they backed out of this one, I don't think DET decided to be sellers until after that.
It's a bit like Preller, if you decide you don't want to deal guys because you think you can compete, that's one thing (although probably insane in his case), but the time to decide that isn't on deadline day after you've wasted everyone's time soliciting what seemed to be some very strong trade offers.
It's a bit like Preller, if you decide you don't want to deal guys because you think you can compete, that's one thing (although probably insane in his case), but the time to decide that isn't on deadline day after you've wasted everyone's time soliciting what seemed to be some very strong trade offers.
Will Leitch got this right, the Mets did nothing wrong.
People can bash them for "backing out" or being cheap or whatever, but the truth is that the Brewers and Sherman leaked out the deal before it was finalized, which is why Flores was on the field when people assumed he had already been traded.
But anyone watching last night's Mets-Nats game saw the story's happy ending. Flores got a standing ovation from a packed house as he came to the plate for the first time, then another one when he drove in the Mets first (and for a long while only) run in the fourth, and then yet another one when he, as Pudge once did, led off the bottom of the 12th and blasted a ball over the wall to give his team a much-needed victory.
The fans gave Flores the full Jeter treatment (WIL-MER! FLOR-RES! (clap-clap, clap-clap-clap) WIL-MER! FLOR-RES! (clap-clap, clap-clap-clap)) during his on-field post-game interview.
It was one of those nights that make you appreciate how magical this game can appear at times.
People can bash them for "backing out" or being cheap or whatever, but the truth is that the Brewers and Sherman leaked out the deal before it was finalized, which is why Flores was on the field when people assumed he had already been traded.
But anyone watching last night's Mets-Nats game saw the story's happy ending. Flores got a standing ovation from a packed house as he came to the plate for the first time, then another one when he drove in the Mets first (and for a long while only) run in the fourth, and then yet another one when he, as Pudge once did, led off the bottom of the 12th and blasted a ball over the wall to give his team a much-needed victory.
The fans gave Flores the full Jeter treatment (WIL-MER! FLOR-RES! (clap-clap, clap-clap-clap) WIL-MER! FLOR-RES! (clap-clap, clap-clap-clap)) during his on-field post-game interview.
It was one of those nights that make you appreciate how magical this game can appear at times.