One had it 89-81. Assumed they had the 9th 10-8.I think it was a warning not a deduction. I had it 10-8 because Floyd dominated and Conor would've gone down without holding. Didn't see whether any of the judges did as well.
One had it 89-81. Assumed they had the 9th 10-8.I think it was a warning not a deduction. I had it 10-8 because Floyd dominated and Conor would've gone down without holding. Didn't see whether any of the judges did as well.
"At the time of the stoppage, Mayweather led on all three judges' scorecards (87-83, 89-82, 89-81"89-81 is a joke.
Very safe. The safest one out there by far.Seriously how safe is Bovada? I thought about breaking into sports betting tonight with a small bet on this fight but got cold feet.
In the future, use this calculator to equalize your "guaranteed" profit:I'm stupid. How do I arbitrage that or whatever. If I think the two likeliest outcomes are May decision or CM ko and I put $100 on each I win money with either outcome right?
No F-ing way. Mayweather might die.Who thinks second fight will be an MMA bout with the rubber match being some hybrid kickboxing with no grappling?
Easy millions.
This sums the fight up for me. The public got what they paid for. It was 10X more entertaining than May/Paq. McGregor held his own, but a lot of that was Mayweather biding his time. Both are rich and happy and neither are disgraced. Rematch available if Mayweather wants it (McGregor put on a credible display). MMA obviously available if McGregor wants it.Win-win for both.
This pretty much sums it up perfectly. Mayweather showed everyone why he is one of the best ever. The gear he found in the later rounds was flat out impressive, especially for a 40 year old man. We already knew it, but McGregor is a tough SOB - it was clear toward the later rounds that a person with less fight in them would have gone down. He was so clearly gassed but refused to fall.Floyd threw like 20 punches total in the first 2 rounds. Any judge that didn't at least give McGregor those rounds should have their credentials stripped. I thought Floyd might have thrown a few more punches in the 3rd, but McGregory clearly won that too. I had it 6-3 Mayweather when it ended, but I could see 5-4 Mayweather too.
Mayweather played it almost to perfection. He knew Connor had to try to knock him out early, so Floyd let him punch himself out, then he started working the body as Connor started sucking wind, and by the 8th round, Connor had nothing left. In fact, I don't think Connor threw a single punch after round 5 that could have hurt Mayweather even if it landed clean. He had nothing left, and Mayweather just finished him off.
All in all, much more entertaining than I expected, but also fairly predictable, and unsurprising in the end.
Do you think this was the proper way to beat your namesakes' record?Think of it this way. Floyd is a pitcher who usually throws a shutout with 15ks behind a 99mph fastball who tonight only used his curve and still won only he gave up a couple doubles and a run.
I've been up for over an hour with two maniac kids. Why does peer pressure work so well on me?It'll be 1 AM on a Saturday night dude. 10 years ago you were still pregaming. Feel shame.
That's not how scoring works.Mayweather landed nearly double the power punches. The scores looked fine to me.
I was surprised how quickly Connor wore out. As you said, those punches after the 4th or so wouldn't hurt a 10 year old. He just seemed to have nothing in the tank at all. I knew he would tire as it went along but I was surprised he was cooked that badly so early.Floyd threw like 20 punches total in the first 2 rounds. Any judge that didn't at least give McGregor those rounds should have their credentials stripped. I thought Floyd might have thrown a few more punches in the 3rd, but McGregory clearly won that too. I had it 6-3 Mayweather when it ended, but I could see 5-4 Mayweather too.
Mayweather played it almost to perfection. He knew Connor had to try to knock him out early, so Floyd let him punch himself out, then he started working the body as Connor started sucking wind, and by the 8th round, Connor had nothing left. In fact, I don't think Connor threw a single punch after round 5 that could have hurt Mayweather even if it landed clean. He had nothing left, and Mayweather just finished him off.
All in all, much more entertaining than I expected, but also fairly predictable, and unsurprising in the end.
Serious question - have you ever boxed? I had a similar opinion until I got in the ring... amazing how much it saps your energyI was surprised how quickly Connor wore out. As you said, those punches after the 4th or so wouldn't hurt a 10 year old. He just seemed to have nothing in the tank at all. I knew he would tire as it went along but I was surprised he was cooked that badly so early.
People have no idea until they do it. I boxed fairly regularly for 5-6 years and we'd have people come in looking like Greek Gods and marathon runners who thought it would be a cinch and they'd quit after half an hour. Holding your arms up into a defensive position for even a minute is exhausting for people who aren't trained. Doing it for 5+ rounds takes years to train; and there's a hell of a lot more exertion than simply that!Serious question - have you ever boxed? I had a similar opinion until I got in the ring... amazing how much it saps your energy
True but I thought CM as an MMA fighter would have a similar level of fitness. Not the case though.People have no idea until they do it. I boxed fairly regularly for 5-6 years and we'd have people come in looking like Greek Gods and marathon runners who thought it would be a cinch and they'd quit after half an hour. Holding your arms up into a defensive position for even a minute is exhausting for people who aren't trained. Doing it for 5+ rounds takes years to train; and there's a hell of a lot more exertion than simply that!
Sure, and some fans like the crashes in NASCAR.Don't knock the casual fan. Pretty sure a lot of people wanted to see a full-on knock out.
I have not and can't imagine how exhausting it is. I was more thinking like OCST. I just thought a top tier 29 year old MMA fighter who has been training would be able to go 7-8 rounds before looking completely gassed instead of 4-5. I figured by 8-9 he'd be dead and Mayweather would take it from there. It just happened earlier than I thought.Serious question - have you ever boxed? I had a similar opinion until I got in the ring... amazing how much it saps your energy
The issue isn't fitness, it's technical competence. A more technically sound boxer will expend less energy and it's probably more like an exponential relationship than a linear one. Put a total novice in the ring and they're gassed after one round even if they don't throw a punch, just from the adrenaline rush and increased heart rate. Conor hit the nail on the head in his post-fight interview when he kept referring to Floyd's composure. He intended it as a back-handed compliment....floyd's not fast or strong but he was really, really composed....but it's probably the most important of all those factors. "Composure", i.e. efficiency of ring movement, punching efficiency, calmness, etc meant that each of those rounds was effectively an 800m sprint for Conor while it was a 400m jog for Floyd. I bet if you hooked them both up to a VO2 or put them thru some standardized aerobic testing, Conor is in better shape than Floyd....that all goes out the window when one guy is a novice and the other is one of the greatest technical fighters ever.True but I thought CM as an MMA fighter would have a similar level of fitness. Not the case though.
Speaking of great technicians, I just really like this post a lot. It's perfect.The issue isn't fitness, it's technical competence. A more technically sound boxer will expend less energy and it's probably more like an exponential relationship than a linear one. Put a total novice in the ring and they're gassed after one round even if they don't throw a punch, just from the adrenaline rush and increased heart rate. Conor hit the nail on the head in his post-fight interview when he kept referring to Floyd's composure. He intended it as a back-handed compliment....floyd's not fast or strong but he was really, really composed....but it's probably the most important of all those factors. "Composure", i.e. efficiency of ring movement, punching efficiency, calmness, etc meant that each of those rounds was effectively an 800m sprint for Conor while it was a 400m jog for Floyd. I bet if you hooked them both up to a VO2 or put them thru some standardized aerobic testing, Conor is in better shape than Floyd....that all goes out the window when one guy is a novice and the other is one of the greatest technical fighters ever.
Paulie Malignaggi or maybe Nate at 155. Nate certainly was mixing in up at the event. Wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it was by design.Man, it was weird to watch a boxing match for the first time in years. I honestly did not know you couldn't throw a hammer fist.
Connor walks away with very little damage and $100M. I imagine he completes his trilogy with Nate next for enormous MMA money. Dana and WME are going to have to pay him much more than they are used to in order to get him in with the octagon with the Fergeson / Lee winner.
Yeah before this I thought Floyd beat some fighters and could hold his own with Conor in the cage, but not anymore. Pure kickboxing would fair, I think, but FM has almost no reason to sign on for that.No F-ing way. Mayweather might die.
Economy of effort is the first rule of athletic performance.The issue isn't fitness, it's technical competence. A more technically sound boxer will expend less energy and it's probably more like an exponential relationship than a linear one. Put a total novice in the ring and they're gassed after one round even if they don't throw a punch, just from the adrenaline rush and increased heart rate. Conor hit the nail on the head in his post-fight interview when he kept referring to Floyd's composure. He intended it as a back-handed compliment....floyd's not fast or strong but he was really, really composed....but it's probably the most important of all those factors. "Composure", i.e. efficiency of ring movement, punching efficiency, calmness, etc meant that each of those rounds was effectively an 800m sprint for Conor while it was a 400m jog for Floyd. I bet if you hooked them both up to a VO2 or put them thru some standardized aerobic testing, Conor is in better shape than Floyd....that all goes out the window when one guy is a novice and the other is one of the greatest technical fighters ever.
What's the second rule?Economy of effort is the first rule of athletic performance.
That sounds inefficient. Explains why CM tailed off after the 1st 3 rounds.Always give 110 percent.
Of course, but we can just look at the long and distinguished track record of successful pure boxers (relative to other disciplines like BJJ, Olympic Wrestling, Kick boxing or Judo) in MMA to see the huge advantage that their boxing specific cardio gives them.I think we learned a lot about the MMA last night for that very reason.
Why would pure boxers abandon a sport for a traveling circus?Of course, but we can just look at the long and distinguished track record of successful pure boxers (relative to other disciplines like BJJ, Olympic Wrestling, Kick boxing or Judo) in MMA to see the huge advantage that their boxing specific cardio gives them.
To my eyes, McGregor's stamina held up fine until round 8. He started losing it in 8 (even though some people had him winning that round), was gassed throughout 9 and we all know what happened in 10. The snap wasn't there on his punches after 4-5, but he still had the ability to step into Mayweather, to counter, and kept his angles precise. He was still a threat.I just thought a top tier 29 year old MMA fighter who has been training would be able to go 7-8 rounds before looking completely gassed instead of 4-5. I figured by 8-9 he'd be dead and Mayweather would take it from there. It just happened earlier than I thought.
I don't watch much boxing. To me, he was pretty obviously gassed by round 5-6.To my eyes, McGregor's stamina held up fine until round 8. He started losing it in 8 (even though some people had him winning that round), was gassed throughout 9 and we all know what happened in 10.
In retrospect, this seems exactly correct. A glorified sparring session is what I saw too.The fight felt "weird" because it was a glorified sparring session. The pace, intensity, everything. It felt like Floyd invited a guy into his gym and they had a good session. Before the Berto fight (for publicity), he let ESPN televise and release a sparring session he had. This had the same tone and Floyd fighting style as that. Only difference, he didn't clear 100 mill plus for that.
Floyd moved his gloves closer to cover his chin instead of having them outside his face. The uppercuts wouldn't have worked after.If you go back and watch, starting in round 4, Floyd started winning and Connor started getting gassed in the last minute of the round. It was more prevalent in the last half of the 5th, and by the last half of the 6th, Connor was toast. After the beginning of the 5th round, he didn't throw a punch (never mind land one) that could have hurt Floyd if it landed flush and Connor wasn't wearing gloves (never mind 8 ounce gloves). That's what started to bother me about the rabbit punches or hammer fists (or whatever people are calling them now). It wasn't that they were illegal, it was that they were kind of pathetic. Almost like watching a high school girl fight. I don't think Connor could have damaged a below average professional boxer from the 6th round onward. Floyd was masterful, just like Floyd always is, as much as it hurts me to type that.
I will say this though, early on, Connor caught Floyd with an uppercut when he was coming in on him, and then pretty much never came back to that punch, even before he got gassed, and with the way Floyd was coming forward and bending over and putting his head into Connor's stomach, the upper cut was there. For a couple rounds, Connor had enough power, and he had the opening to knock Floyd out, but he just wasn't skilled enough or experienced enough to know it.
True. Stamina was always one of the biggest doubts for McGregor. But I believe he did show improvement over his stamina in recent MMA bouts. The fact is that until recently, he hasn't really had to very deep into fights over his career. I give him credit for going over 9 rounds with Floyd Mayweather in his first ever boxing match.Still, for a dude that's always talking about how hard he trains and how dedicated he is, CM seems to repeatedly have below average stamina.
Yeah that punch was landing again. I want to see it again and see if it's something he can bring back to MMA. Actually I'll probably watch the whole fight again.Floyd moved his gloves closer to cover his chin instead of having them outside his face. The uppercuts wouldn't have worked after.
Idk. 5 rounds is a lot longer than 3, and I'd say the average fighter never even gets a 5 round fight in the first place. The only times I remember him looking gassed are the Diaz fights, and Diaz is of course super hard on his opponent's cardio. The first one he was on antibiotics and in the second one I recall him looking good in the 4th and he was tired in the 5th but it was still a coin flip of a round. It's probably he most glaring weakness but it isn't below average.Also, Connor got gassed, true, but Floyd also gassed him. He was pumping hard straight rights into his diaphragm in the early rounds. Your boy here said at the time that they were gonna snatch McGregor's soul and they did.
Still, for a dude that's always talking about how hard he trains and how dedicated he is, CM seems to repeatedly have below average stamina.
Seemed low, then I saw thisEstimated 3 million pirated views, in addition to whatever the PPV numbers are.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterkahn/2017/08/28/potential-3-million-pirated-streams-not-included-in-the-mayweather-vs-mcgregor-results/#72bd2b106b3b