Mayo: Season 1

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Justthetippett said:
Wolf is overall scouting director right? Reiss thinks he's essentially the GM.

https://985thesportshub.com/2024/02/01/mike-reiss-eliott-wolf-handling-gm-duties-without-the-title/
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Sounds more like what Reiss thinks might or should happen
this is my view of it and I don’t know if the team would agree with it or not.
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Many in the media seem to think Wolf will be in charge but they all thought Caley would be OC as well. Lots of speculation and group think around the team right now. Trey Brown's name has been mentioned as well.

But as far as we know, it is still:
1) Groh - Director of Player Personnel
2) Wolf - Director of Scouting

How that works out and how much say Mayo has will be interesting. Big off-season, both for draft and FA. Rumors are they may wait until after the draft to hire/name a formal GM but this free agency period is pretty big as well. The Krafts must have confidence in that group.
 
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Tough beat for the local guys who had zero inkling of AVP even being under consideration, they were heavily pushing the idea that Caley was the leader in the clubhouse.
 
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BigJimEd said:
Sounds more like what Reiss thinks might or should happen

Many in the media seem to think Wolf will be in charge but they all thought Caley would be OC as well. Lots of speculation and group think around the team right now. Trey Brown's name has been mentioned as well.

But as far as we know, it is still:
1) Groh - Director of Player Personnel
2) Wolf - Director of Scouting

How that works out and how much say Mayo has will be interesting. Big off-season, both for draft and FA. Rumors are they may wait until after the draft to hire/name a formal GM but this free agency period is pretty big as well. The Krafts must have confidence in that group.
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Yeah Reiss seemed to take Wolf being in the coordinator interviews as a sign, while Groh was scouting senior Bowl. Not sure if it actually is though, might just be a division of labor based on past experience, Groh was extensively in college scouting his whole career basically, while Wolf was generally on the pro side, and has more relationships around the league from his own work and his father's.
 
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Steve Belichick and Vinny Sunseri are interviewing for positions on Jedd Fisch's staff at the University of Washington per Field Yates.
 
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Troy Brown is rumored maybe NOT to be back. (I hope this is true.) To that end, he is the only coach at the senior bowl NOT wearing his team's logo. He's going with the senior bowl logo.
 
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jsinger121 said:
Steve Belichick and Vinny Sunseri are interviewing for positions on Jedd Fisch's staff at the University of Washington per Field Yates.
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Odd choice for SB if he's serious about that job. After a year here as Asst HC or whatever he could probably go coordinate elsewhere in the pros if he wants (he's probably missed this cycle). I get that he knows Fisch but he knows Mayo as well (obviously). Unless he's just going to bide his time until Bill gets another job, I don't really see why this would be better than staying put in NE.
 
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Justthetippett said:
Odd choice for SB if he's serious about that job. After a year here as Asst HC or whatever he could probably go coordinate elsewhere in the pros if he wants (he's probably missed this cycle). I get that he knows Fisch but he knows Mayo as well (obviously). Unless he's just going to bide his time until Bill gets another job, I don't really see why this would be better than staying put in NE.
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I think it makes sense, clean break, no implication that his dad's system propped him up, no question about what he/Mayo/Covington are doing or not, this will be entirely him, from the ground up.
 
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Cellar-Door said:
I think it makes sense, clean break, no implication that his dad's system propped him up, no question about what he/Mayo/Covington are doing or not, this will be entirely him, from the ground up.
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I'd understand it more if he was going to join an established staff where he kind of knew the defense would do well. This is Washington's first year in the Big 10, Fisch's first year there...I think there's a good chance the team and defense in particular struggles. Then he's even more associated with Bill's success and he's on his own for the failure. Here no matter what Mayo will take the brunt of the blame if things go badly.
 
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Justthetippett said:
I'd understand it more if he was going to join an established staff where he kind of knew the defense would do well. This is Washington's first year in the Big 10, Fisch's first year there...I think there's a good chance the team and defense in particular struggles. Then he's even more associated with Bill's success and he's on his own for the failure. Here no matter what Mayo will take the brunt of the blame if things go badly.
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Unless he’s really good.

Though I totally get the considerations you raise.
 
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Unless he’s really good.

Though I totally get the considerations you raise.
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This is what I thought as well. Both parts of it.
Other coaches know when a paricular aspect of an opponent is well coached. Even in a blowout win, the winning coach can think, "if they had more better players, that defense would have throttled us."
 
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Justthetippett said:
I'd understand it more if he was going to join an established staff where he kind of knew the defense would do well. This is Washington's first year in the Big 10, Fisch's first year there...I think there's a good chance the team and defense in particular struggles. Then he's even more associated with Bill's success and he's on his own for the failure. Here no matter what Mayo will take the brunt of the blame if things go badly.
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Sure, but Mayo will also take the credit if things go well defensively in New England. I think this is a good move for Steve, it's ambitious.
 
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BigJimEd said:
Has SB as Asst HC been tossed around anywhere but here?
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Mike Reiss mentioned it here before Covington was even named coordinator.

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6. Belichick sons: Steve Belichick and Brian Belichick, Bill's sons, have been told they've earned the opportunity to remain with the Patriots if they choose to do so. Mayo and Steve have a close friendship, so the projected fit on staff would be as an assistant head coach/senior adviser type. Brian, who came up through scouting and most recently served as safeties coach from 2020 to 2023, was still showing up at Gillette Stadium late this past week.
 
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I'm very curious how they replace Steve. From some of the stuff McCourty has said, he was the driving force in the details of the defense (Mayo more a big picture guy) and he was very much the guy of the two who worked on the back end. Mayo has also noted that Steve was the guy leaned on for how to marry the secondary to what they wanted to do up front. feel like they need to add 2-3 more guys on that side, especially if Brian B. leaves as well.
 
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I'm very curious how they replace Steve. From some of the stuff McCourty has said, he was the driving force in the details of the defense (Mayo more a big picture guy) and he was very much the guy of the two who worked on the back end. Mayo has also noted that Steve was the guy leaned on for how to marry the secondary to what they wanted to do up front. feel like they need to add 2-3 more guys on that side, especially if Brian B. leaves as well.
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It's an unfortunate loss, I think. It would have been great to keep almost the whole defensive staff together for this year. Once that stabilized, having SB move on could have been managed more easily

I wonder if some of the guys they brought in for DC interviews with connections to Covington might accept or be eligible for lateral moves to position coaches on his staff.
 
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Appears to be behind a paywall somewhere, but plenty on twitter citing the local Packers' beat writer that Packers’ defensive line coach/run game coordinator Jerry Montgomery won't return under the new DC (presumably because he was passed over) and has interviewed with the Patriots among other teams.
 
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Cellar-Door said:
Appears to be behind a paywall somewhere, but plenty on twitter citing the local Packers' beat writer that Packers’ defensive line coach/run game coordinator Jerry Montgomery won't return under the new DC (presumably because he was passed over) and has interviewed with the Patriots among other teams.
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View: https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky/status/1754613478034452825
Jerry Montgomery has been hired by the Patriots, per a source. The D-line coach/run game coordinator had been with the Packers since 2015. That was his entry into the NFL after coaching in college.
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He is now the new DL coach

View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1754620441782542679
 
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Justthetippett said:
Interesting on Hightower. I haven't read that he's interested in coaching. And we still have one Belichick. Phew!
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If I'm remembering correctly, Evan Lazar said (on Patriots Unfiltered) that he'd interviewed Hightower about the Mayo hiring, and that Hightower was open to the idea of coaching.
 
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Love the Wilkins and Hightower hires. You get Hightower in the building but he’s a rookie coach so you backstop him with Wilkins and an outside voice who has a history with Judon.
Hightower can learn a lot from him and the overall staff gets stronger.
This has felt like a pretty solid bit of team building so far.
 
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Wonder if Troy Brown is going to return as well. I do like how this is going to be a bigger staff than previous years.
 
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Man I had absolutely no idea Tiquan Underwood got into coaching. Of all of the end of roster guys who played on the Pats over the last 20+ years, he would have been very low on my guesses on who the Pats would hire. This one was truly out of left field, at least for me personally.
 
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Looks like the Patriots will have to replace TE coach Will Lawing as he is set to become the OC at Boston College per Pete Thamel.
 
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Man I had absolutely no idea Tiquan Underwood got into coaching. Of all of the end of roster guys who played on the Pats over the last 20+ years, he would have been very low on my guesses on who the Pats would hire. This one was truly out of left field, at least for me personally.
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Hopefully Tiquan Underwood can coach up the Underwhelming Tyquan Thornton.
 
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The Patriots plan to hire Taylor Embree as their new running backs coach, per sources. Embree was most recently the RBs coach with the Jets.

https://x.com/jjones9/status/1757521284517228918?s=20
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Played WR at UCLA,
1 year in KC as a defensive assistant, 3 years under Shanahan in SF as an offensive quality control coach, 1 year as a college TE coach under Gary Barnett in Colorado, before Salah (who he was on the SF staff with) hired him as RB coach in NY where he was the last 3 years.

Edit- his father is the MIA TE coach
 
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Interesting comment from Cowher, as part of a "whats it like to follow a legend" discussion (Cowher is at the bottom of this story):

“Early in my career, I was probably too short with the media,” Cowher said. “I understood it more as I got older. You know what, you guys are a great resource that I can use to send a message to my team. The more you do something, the more comfortable you become, and the better you become.”
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Jonathan Jones: Divide in Patriots locker room was brewing (bostonglobe.com)
 
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No thoughts on the press conference?
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I’m listening to the “6 rings and football things” podcast now and They are RAVING about the press conference and a post conference “behind closed doors with content not to be discussed publicly cocktail hour with the entire new coaching staff”. They are very impressed with the entire staff, Jerod is a “human being” They said of AVP “it is easy to see why people say he is a unifier and a great guy for this moment with the Offense. They loved the Special Teams coach, Jeremy Springer, saying that he was extremely energetic and engaged- was an “electric factory”. And they were impressed with DeMarcus Covington but he was a little curt with one answer about being previously being involved in play calling, but otherwise was solid. Their biggest takeaway was the approachability and relative humility of every coach.
 
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I’m listening to the “6 rings and football things” podcast now and They are RAVING about the press conference and a post conference “behind closed doors with content not to be discussed publicly cocktail hour with the entire new coaching staff”. They are very impressed with the entire staff, Jerod is a “human being” They said of AVP “it is easy to see why people say he is a unifier and a great guy for this moment with the Offense. They loved the Special Teams coach, Jeremy Springer, saying that he was extremely energetic and engaged- was an “electric factory”. And they were impressed with DeMarcus Covington but he was a little curt with one answer about being previously being involved in play calling, but otherwise was solid. Their biggest takeaway was the approachability and relative humility of every coach.
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Glad the media likes them I guess.
 
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I watched the Mayo and Van Pelt press conferences. Mayo is pretty slick, he is open but not too open. He was asked about Robyn Glaser's role and side-stepped the issue. His message was he was not going to talk about football at this press conference just the coordinators and coaches. He said he had of lot of input from Elliot Wolf. He was asked about the coaching staff going to the combine and just said the Pats will be well-represented. I like that he was friendly, and verbose but stayed on point. He didn't let the media bully him. He was asked about the size of the staff and said working with the staff would be an ongoing process that he as a first-year head coach will have to learn. I took that to mean that he is going to be a hard-ass evaluating his coaches going forward.

Van Pelt came across as a pretty cool guy. He said he has worked in a lot of systems, and the system needs to be tailored to the players. He did not talk much x's and o's. He is looking forward to calling plays full-time.
 
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Dewey's 'stache said:
I’m listening to the “6 rings and football things” podcast now and They are RAVING about the press conference and a post conference “behind closed doors with content not to be discussed publicly cocktail hour with the entire new coaching staff”. They are very impressed with the entire staff, Jerod is a “human being” They said of AVP “it is easy to see why people say he is a unifier and a great guy for this moment with the Offense. They loved the Special Teams coach, Jeremy Springer, saying that he was extremely energetic and engaged- was an “electric factory”. And they were impressed with DeMarcus Covington but he was a little curt with one answer about being previously being involved in play calling, but otherwise was solid. Their biggest takeaway was the approachability and relative humility of every coach.
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The staff is by and large younger and I'm sure more personable and approachable than the old guard. I think it's a breath of fresh air. That said, the media will loves these guys in they win and/or give them good stories to get clicks. They are jackals and, mostly, morons. It's good Mayo is giving them a little but also holding his ground.
 
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I thought Nick Cattles made an interesting point about the staff on Bedard’s podcast. Cattles was saying that overall, the staff was a mix of experience and younger developmental coaches. Four examples: Springer doesn’t have a lot of experience as a head ST coach, but his assistant Tom Quinn does. Hightower doesn’t have any experience as an LB coach, but Wilkins and Mayo (obviously) do. Peters as OL coach, supported by Kugler. And Hughes and Underwood at WR can get an assist from Bicknell and (presumably) McAdoo.

Mayo says he put a premium on teaching skills and ability to relate to players. I like that. It also helps that, on offense anyway, there seems to be familiarity and/or experience with some version of the WC offense. So in theory it should be easier to teach since the coaches are familiar with whatever offensive scheme gets installed. Mayo said he doesn’t want to have to get coaches on the same page and then have them go try and do that with the players. This seemed like a learning from the last two years, where the offensive staff was mismatched and unfamiliar with each other and thus no one ever seemed to be on the same page as a staff. This lack of cohesion clearly transferred to the players as well.
 
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