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Maye is replacing Josh Allen--this year in the Pro Bowl, next year as AFCE champ!


 

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Seriously? This almost seems like a joke. Hey, I like Maye, too - but it hardly seems like he should be in the ProBowl. He hardly even seems like the most accomplished rookie QB in the AFC.
 

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Seriously? This almost seems like a joke. Hey, I like Maye, too - but it hardly seems like he should be in the ProBowl. He hardly even seems like the most accomplished rookie QB in the AFC.
Yeah this is hard to fathom. 3-9 record, 2276 yards, 15 passing TDs, 10 interceptions, 66.6% completion, 88.1 QB rating, 421 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs and 9 fumbles. With some context it's a really promising rookie year, but taken at face value, it's hard to see how this happened.
 

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Seriously? This almost seems like a joke. Hey, I like Maye, too - but it hardly seems like he should be in the ProBowl. He hardly even seems like the most accomplished rookie QB in the AFC.
Yeah. Not like he's Mac Jones or anything. The Pro Bowl IS a joke.
 

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Seriously? This almost seems like a joke. Hey, I like Maye, too - but it hardly seems like he should be in the ProBowl. He hardly even seems like the most accomplished rookie QB in the AFC.
But when it comes to his chances for HOF....the number of pro bowl selections is something that voters do pay attention to. People will forget that this was a joke some 20 years from now. They'll just see X number of pro bowl selections, and one more than one fewer will help!
 

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The QB's were Allen, Lamar and Burrow. Allen dropped out. Mahomes can't play in it. If we're doing it on merit that basically leaves Stroud, Herbert and Nix. Stroud I believe is dealing with a knee injury, he likely said no thanks. Herbert has been a pro bowler before and maybe declined. Nix also had some health issues at the end of the year. Seems like he was healed to some degree but who knows. I guess there's a case for Russ but as a veteran he might've said no thanks. Or the league chose a young up and coming star to showcase in a meaningless exhibition.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos-bo-nix-played-part-2024-season-three-back-fractures
 

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The QB's were Allen, Lamar and Burrow. Allen dropped out. Mahomes can't play in it. If we're doing it on merit that basically leaves Stroud, Herbert and Nix. Stroud I believe is dealing with a knee injury, he likely said no thanks. Herbert has been a pro bowler before and maybe declined. Nix also had some health issues at the end of the year. Seems like he was healed to some degree but who knows. I guess there's a case for Russ but as a veteran he might've said no thanks. Or the league chose a young up and coming star to showcase in a meaningless exhibition.

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos-bo-nix-played-part-2024-season-three-back-fractures
Guys, Russell Wilson is also going.

2025 Pro Bowl Games: Complete AFC roster revealed

Quarterback (3):

Also, Schooler isn't going and was replaced by Miles Killebrew.
 

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Maye was 8th in the AFC in QBR (ahead of Nix, Wilson, and Stroud).

1--Allen (Pro Bowler, but being replaced)
2--Jackson (Pro Bowler, but being replaced)
3--Burrow (Pro Bowler)
4--Mahomes (Super Bowl)
5--Herbert
6--Tua
7-Lawrence (injured)
8--Maye

Maye being picked isn't ridiculous--the concept itself just really doesn't work.
 

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Maye was 8th in the AFC in QBR (ahead of Nix, Wilson, and Stroud).

1--Allen (Pro Bowler, but being replaced)
2--Jackson (Pro Bowler, but being replaced)
3--Burrow (Pro Bowler)
4--Mahomes (Super Bowl)
5--Herbert
6--Tua
7-Lawrence (injured)
8--Maye

Maye being picked isn't ridiculous--the concept itself just really doesn't work.
Yeah... They should just drop the Pro Bowl as a honorific. Limit that to All-Pro. If they want to expand All-Pro to three teams, fine. Just make this a nice promotional event, which is all it is anyways, and invite the young guns to put on a show for fans. I'm sure agents can be persuaded to add "participation if invited" to contracts, as long as there's compensation attached.
 

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Yeah this is hard to fathom. 3-9 record, 2276 yards, 15 passing TDs, 10 interceptions, 66.6% completion, 88.1 QB rating, 421 rushing yards, 2 rushing TDs and 9 fumbles. With some context it's a really promising rookie year, but taken at face value, it's hard to see how this happened.
One of those wins include the last game of the series where he barely played and another was a game the team was losing when he got knocked out. Silly. But the pro bowl in general is long past its expiration date.
 
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Drake doing some media:

View: https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1885327236871471497


On Mike Vrabel: "He reached out to me, we got on the phone. He's been awesome. Obviously a guy who has done it, played in the league, won a Super Bowl [3] -- you have a respect of what he's done and seen what he's done. I think the biggest thing is he's been a head coach and he knows what it's like. So excited to get up to New England and get things going."

"Coach McDaniels, obviously what he's done [with the Patriots] and the success he's had, I'm fortunate to be able to have a guy come in who has done it at a high level and learn from him coaching one of the best ever -- the best ever in my opinion, Tom. "So I have a great chance to go back -- all those years of film he has in the little database, it's all their play-calls, all Coach McDaniels' stuff and what he did with Tom. So it's fortunate for me to go back and study it up and get ready for this next season." -- Patriots QB Drake Maye

One big thing he wants to work on this offseason: "Situational football is huge. Playing my position, you have to be in tune in every situation. It's on you. Those guys are looking at you -- the other 10 guys on the field, it's your job to get things going and get things on the right page. So I think situational football and just continuing to grow as a leader."

On Pro Bowl and the rookie season: "Blessed to be here. What an honor. Here with so many great players. I think the biggest thing is -- what a long year. You come right off the college football season, you're going right into draft prep and then you're getting ready for the draft in front of all these teams, and then you get drafted and have to go to rookie minicamp. It's a long season but a fortunate season -- playing quarterback in this league, a special league, here with all these special guys. It's an awesome experience
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I love me some Drake Maye. He'll need to weed out even a hint of "one of the" from "best ever," but other than that, I'm happy with every word of those quotes.
They asked him on another interview if he'd be #1 in this draft and did his "Aw shucks, no, I'm just rooting for these new guys."
 

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They asked him on another interview if he'd be #1 in this draft and did his "Aw shucks, no, I'm just rooting for these new guys."
Where are all the people last year saying to not draft a QB because it was “too early and the Pats aren’t ready” and should have drafted a tackle or Harrison Jr. And draft a QB next (now this) year?

I’m not calling anyone out here, but it’s funny the narrative now amongst the public is Maye was the only choice and to give them no credit for making the “obvious pick”.

If the Pats had Joe Alt or MHJ going into this and looking at Cam Ward or Sanders, it’d be a disaster.

I love Maye’s response to the question though.
 

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Where are all the people last year saying to not draft a QB because it was “too early and the Pats aren’t ready” and should have drafted a tackle or Harrison Jr. And draft a QB next (now this) year?

I’m not calling anyone out here, but it’s funny the narrative now amongst the public is Maye was the only choice and to give them no credit for making the “obvious pick”.

If the Pats had Joe Alt or MHJ going into this and looking at Cam Ward or Sanders, it’d be a disaster.

I love Maye’s response to the question though.
I'm glad they got Maye and looking forward to the future, but wasn't there more support for trading the pick than there was for standing pat and drafting Alt or MJH? In that alternate universe, there's a good chance that the Patriots have Nabers, two top-four picks in this draft, and plenty of stopgap options if they're not enamored with Sanders or Ward.

I'd rather have Maye, but it's fun to think about having Nabers, Carter, Graham (or one of the OTs, if you prefer), a ton of cap space, and the potential to move around the board if someone wants one of the two QBs.
 
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Where are all the people last year saying to not draft a QB because it was “too early and the Pats aren’t ready” and should have drafted a tackle or Harrison Jr. And draft a QB next (now this) year?

I’m not calling anyone out here, but it’s funny the narrative now amongst the public is Maye was the only choice and to give them no credit for making the “obvious pick”.

If the Pats had Joe Alt or MHJ going into this and looking at Cam Ward or Sanders, it’d be a disaster.

I love Maye’s response to the question though.
I was (and remain) part of the “take the QB don’t overthink it” group but isn’t the flip side the idea that the Pats OL and WR groups are still dumpster fires and look like they will probably remain that way barring something unexpected with a veteran acquistion?

The “don’t take Maye” argument was that taking a good QB when you have no offense around him is a waste. And there’s a good chance the Pats waste a big chunk of Maye’s career with the KJ Osborn and Kendrick Bourne types of the world while Chuks Okorafor and Nick Leverett types are signed to block in front of him.

In a world where they have Alt or MHJ but no QB they could continue to kick the can forward to 2026 or go with Darnold (etc). No need to reach for Ward/Sanders

Could easily just say Alt + Hunter + Arch Manning next year. It’s all hypothetical anyway.

But Maye throwing to Polk and having Lowe blocking for him is a waste of a franchise QB’s talent if Maye ends up being as good as he’s flashed. So to that end, the “Alt over Maye” crowd is still correct.

I know people seem to expect a Higgins and Stanley solution to the Pats offensive woes but there’s a very good chance Maye is still supported by trash next year. The supply of guys they need is very limited after all.
 

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Maye looks great, but I’m wary of any analysis that counts him as a locked in solution. We may look back and wished we had traded out last year, or taken Alt etc. Probably not, but it’s far from a zero percent sliver of the pie chart.
 

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Maye looks great, but I’m wary of any analysis that counts him as a locked in solution. We may look back and wished we had traded out last year, or taken Alt etc. Probably not, but it’s far from a zero percent sliver of the pie chart.
I think the odds of regretting the Maye pick are zero, even if he doesn't turn out to be anything special, unless one of McCarthy, Penix or Nix establish themselves as undoubtedly the better QB. Joe Alt wasn't doing anything for the future of this team without a QB in place.
 

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Drake Maye on Vrabel, getting ready for Year 2, and his biggest move of the offseason

This is by Dianna Russini, who's very plugged in.

I asked around as the coaching cycle started up, and I was told this: The New England Patriots’ opening was the one everyone wanted, for one big reason: Drake Maye
For me, I think it’s situational football. It’s being better down in the red zone, making better decisions and taking care of the football. Those are some things that I’m working on myself. Watching my sacks cut up, watching my interceptions cut up, see if there’s a way for me to improve. I think it’s tough for me to say, “Hey, I’m better at that” in the offseason, knowing that I haven’t played yet. Non-tangible things on the field, I think leadership-wise, taking the next step of being the guy and getting a chance to make more noise in the locker room. It was tough to speak up as a rookie. So just taking the next step in that. And then football-wise, quarterback-wise, you’ve always got to stay up to date on footwork and little things like that.
Dianna: Speaking of work life, it’s my job to find out information, but I have a feeling — let me ask you: Did you know Bill Belichick was getting the job at UNC before all of us? Did somebody pass that along, or did you find out when we did?

Drake: Yeah I had an idea.
 

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I'd rather have Maye, but it's fun to think about having Nabers, Carter, Graham (or one of the OTs, if you prefer), a ton of cap space, and the potential to move around the board if someone wants one of the two QBs.
I don't think that's fun at all. Finding the right QB is, by far, the hardest thing to do in the NFL. I'd much prefer being in the spot we are now: having the right QB and needing to find OLmen, WRs, etc. than the opposite. Like, MUCH prefer.

Hell, the last time the Pats were this awful we had Irving Fryar and Bruce Armstrong. And that was when QBs weren't nearly as critical as they are today.
 

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Maye looks great, but I’m wary of any analysis that counts him as a locked in solution. We may look back and wished we had traded out last year, or taken Alt etc. Probably not, but it’s far from a zero percent sliver of the pie chart.
I mean, Mahomes could have a catastrophic injury on Sunday and never play again. That's a sliver of the pie chart too.

Maye's good. He may end up being really, really good. QB is literally the last position we need to worry about right now.
 

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I mean, Mahomes could have a catastrophic injury on Sunday and never play again. That's a sliver of the pie chart too.

Maye's good. He may end up being really, really good. QB is literally the last position we need to worry about right now.
I am fully onboard the Maye express. I think he can be a top tier, say top 5 QB in the league. (Even at his highest point, I never felt that way about Mac.) The team should build as if that’s the reality going forward, as they are. Just not taking it for granted that we already know this as a certainty. There’s a world where a great tackle last year plus a QB that falls into your lap later last year or this year ends up being better long term than Maye + whomever they take this year. It’s just not likely or foreseeable. These twists of fate happen all the time in the NFL.
 

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I am fully onboard the Maye express. I think he can be a top tier, say top 5 QB in the league. (Even at his highest point, I never felt that way about Mac.) The team should build as if that’s the reality going forward, as they are. Just not taking it for granted that we already know this as a certainty. There’s a world where a great tackle last year plus a QB that falls into your lap later last year or this year ends up being better long term than Maye + whomever they take this year. It’s just not likely or foreseeable. These twists of fate happen all the time in the NFL.
Well sure, but nothing is a certainty, right? Andrew Luck only played 6 seasons, and we all would have thought it'd be 2-3X that.

I guess I don't see the point in wondering if some other path would have yielded a better net combo of players. We have Maye, he's good, and we're building around him.
 

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Well sure, but nothing is a certainty, right? Andrew Luck only played 6 seasons, and we all would have thought it'd be 2-3X that.

I guess I don't see the point in wondering if some other path would have yielded a better net combo of players. We have Maye, he's good, and we're building around him.
Fair, although I don’t see it as that different than speculating about how potential new 2025 draftees might fair with the team. There is still a somewhat wide variance as to what Maye can/will become. The window for the variance has likely narrowed (“decent to great” rather than “bust to great”) but how he develops will still radically affect how the team performs. It’s easier not to think about now that he’s here and we love him but it’s still a real part of the equation.
 

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Pats could have drafted Alt or Harrison, and likely end up with 4 wins and the #4 pick. Then they're either trying to trade up for a QB prospect in a bad draft, or hoping to find a diamond in the rough later, or combing the free agent landscape for retreads. The idea that this past season was "wasted" in any way is laughable; Maye was always going to be a developmental QB his first season anyway.
 

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Fair, although I don’t see it as that different than speculating about how potential new 2025 draftees might fair with the team. There is still a somewhat wide variance as to what Maye can/will become. The window for the variance has likely narrowed (“decent to great” rather than “bust to great”) but how he develops will still radically affect how the team performs. It’s easier not to think about now that he’s here and we love him but it’s still a real part of the equation.
The difference is that we're going to actually select one of the 2025 draftees and they're going to actually be on the team.

Your thought exercise takes place in a parallel universe where Maye isn't our QB and some other, unknown player(s) are.

Obviously there's always a chance Maye turns out to be lousy. But, again, he's here and we're proceeding with the assumption that he'll at least been good for a while. Why wouldn't we do that after the rookie season he just had?
 

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The thing is, even in Alternate World with (for example) Joe Alt and Bo Nix, sure, it's conceivable they'd be better... but I highly doubt they'd ever become a title contender. The goal isn't to be a 10 win wild card team every year.
 

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The difference is that we're going to actually select one of the 2025 draftees and they're going to actually be on the team.

Your thought exercise takes place in a parallel universe where Maye isn't our QB and some other, unknown player(s) are.

Obviously there's always a chance Maye turns out to be lousy. But, again, he's here and we're proceeding with the assumption that he'll at least been good for a while. Why wouldn't we do that after the rookie season he just had?
It’s not a thought exercise that I’m taking on. Maye appears like he’ll be great, in this universe, but that’s not locked in. I’ll end the diversion.
 

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It’s not a thought exercise that I’m taking on. Maye appears like he’ll be great, in this universe, but that’s not locked in. I’ll end the diversion.
OK so what do we do now if he’s not definitely going to be great? Not improve the team around him? Honestly I’m really lost.
 

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OK so what do we do now if he’s not definitely going to be great? Not improve the team around him? Honestly I’m really lost.
Im lost a bit too but it appears that its just a really dumb thought exercise.

Maye looks like he could be a star. There is no universe, this one or alternate, where it wasn’t a smart decision to stay at 3 and take Maye
 

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I don't think that's fun at all. Finding the right QB is, by far, the hardest thing to do in the NFL. I'd much prefer being in the spot we are now: having the right QB and needing to find OLmen, WRs, etc. than the opposite. Like, MUCH prefer.

Hell, the last time the Pats were this awful we had Irving Fryar and Bruce Armstrong. And that was when QBs weren't nearly as critical as they are today.
All you have to do is look about 200 miles down I-95 south to the Meadowlands to see the alternative. The Giants have a stud WR (Nabers) and a really good, albeit injured, LT (Thomas) but no clue on a QB. Even knowing what we know now, would you trade Maye for Nabers and the Giants #1 this year? I wouldn't.
 

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I mean, Mahomes could have a catastrophic injury on Sunday and never play again. That's a sliver of the pie chart too.

Maye's good. He may end up being really, really good. QB is literally the last position we need to worry about right now.
BINGO. We suddenly have a 22-year old "pro bowl" (LOL) quarterback who did a ton of awesome things this past season, and he gives us the most valuable commodity in sports - a cheap, young, stud QB. (or I have to be honest and say "potential" stud...not sure he's quite there yet)

Those are really hard to come by, and they got one. They can build around that.