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Not sure I follow. What if he had gotten hurt this past week or the week before? The game is meaningless just like every other game the Patriots have played this season.
There would have at least been entertainment value to playing a competitive game the last few weeks. Pats failed to do that, and as a result the Pats would be better off losing this one. It's time to turn to the offseason.
 

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That is one take. The other is that the Patriots have a rookie QB who looks very good but hasn't accomplished anything yet. This is the last game of the season. How long do you protect him and what are you actually saving him for?

Unless I am missing something, he can get hurt in game one of next season about as easily as this game and there is also the risk that he flatlines or regresses production-wise. I know that outcome is unthinkable for most here but its still possible. Getting more data on Maye is probably best for all involved.
This is exactly right and it's the reason he's started the 16 previous games this season. Oh, that's not what happened? So why now? If playing him at the start of the season was too big of a risk for him, then starting him now is a much much bigger risk. An injury in W1 would have had him back next camp at worst. An injury now maybe had him out all of next season. Personally, I'm fine with whatever they decide, but a little bit of consistency would be nice too.
 

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This is exactly right and it's the reason he's started the 16 previous games this season. Oh, that's not what happened? So why now? If playing him at the start of the season was too big of a risk for him, then starting him now is a much much bigger risk. An injury in W1 would have had him back next camp at worst. An injury now maybe had him out all of next season. Personally, I'm fine with whatever they decide, but a little bit of consistency would be nice too.
I don't believe they were protecting him to start the season. They didn't think he was ready but Brissett was terrible and Maye earned the shot to start as the season wore on.

Again people are acting like Maye has arrived. He hasn't though unless you believe that the current level of production is good. We still need to see what he is capable of both good and bad. If people want to wait until next year fine but if they are only using him when optimal that's more of a specialist than a starter.
 

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I know we like to believe in the “moar reps!” mantra, but I don’t see how 30 or 60 snaps this weekend does much of anything for Maye’s development. Real improvement is going to start the day after the season ends with whatever workout, training and game film study he has planned for the next 6 months.

I really hope they sit him. No meaningful good can come from him playing. But there’s a ton of risk.
 

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I don't believe they were protecting him to start the season. They didn't think he was ready but Brissett was terrible and Maye earned the shot to start as the season wore on.

Again people are acting like Maye has arrived. He hasn't though unless you believe that the current level of production is good. We still need to see what he is capable of both good and bad. If people want to wait until next year fine but if they are only using him when optimal that's more of a specialist than a starter.
Sitting him in a totally meaningless Week 17 game is not the same as "using him only when optimal". Nor are those snaps that he gets going to tell us much, either good or bad.

No matter how Maye performs Sunday (if he plays at all), we will learn very little, if anything, that we did not know today. The keys to his development will be the coming offseason and any leap he takes between his rookie and sophomore seasons. But we will not know how he progresses with either until September at the earliest.
 

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Sitting him in a totally meaningless Week 17 game is not the same as "using him only when optimal". Nor are those snaps that he gets going to tell us much, either good or bad.

No matter how Maye performs Sunday (if he plays at all), we will learn very little, if anything, that we did not know today. The keys to his development will be the coming offseason and any leap he takes between his rookie and sophomore seasons. But we will not know how he progresses with either until September at the earliest.
So I am assuming you and others will be upset if he gets any preseason snaps next year too. He could get hurt and you will likely learn very little in those games as well.

We can agree to disagree about the bolded. You state it as fact when its not - in the football content I consume most pundits say that live reps are the best way to evaluate talent.

I guess I am alone in that I am not buying that Maye is guaranteed to work out - its pretty clear some folks think he is a no doubter. That seems to be our main point of contention - I hope he is but he hasn't proven it yet. You let those guys get run whenever possible imo.
 

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So I am assuming you and others will be upset if he gets any preseason snaps next year too. He could get hurt and you will likely learn very little in those games as well.

We can agree to disagree about the bolded. You state it as fact when its not - in the football content I consume most pundits say that live reps are the best way to evaluate talent.

I guess I am alone in that I am not buying that Maye is guaranteed to work out - its pretty clear some folks think he is a no doubter. That seems to be our main point of contention - I hope he is but he hasn't proven it yet. You let those guys get run whenever possible imo.
I think you are straw manning this argument. No one has him in Canton yet. We just don’t think we’ll learn anything if he plays, and won’t gain much from playing this one extra game against a team of backups.
 

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I think you are straw manning this argument. No one has him in Canton yet. We just don’t think we’ll learn anything if he plays, and won’t gain much from playing this one extra game against a team of backups.
I don't think I am doing anything other than addressing the question about whether Maye should play. Your post (and the others) essentially state that you've seen enough to know what you have in him. I don't agree with that view - I think he is very likely to be their QB1 of the future but we have seen plenty of players get off to promising starts and then fade on the follow (see Stroud, CJ for the most recent example).

I want to see Maye play more - I don't care about watching Joe Milton bomb the ball 99 yards. I want to see more of him reading that free play and also whether he continues to make the same mistakes. I understand that the Bills will have subs in but at present, that just levels the playing field for the Patriots who are mostly back-ups at best. Athletes need to play - not be treated like Fabrege eggs. Injuries can happen at anytime, especially in the NFL. Give him a half and then sit him.
 

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Unless I am missing something, he can get hurt in game one of next season about as easily as this game
Disagree - the offensive line that he'll be playing behind this Sunday very likely will be worse than the OL next September, so the potential for injury is actually higher this weekend.
 

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I think you are straw manning this argument. No one has him in Canton yet. We just don’t think we’ll learn anything if he plays, and won’t gain much from playing this one extra game against a team of backups.
I don't think it's about learning anything, it's that live reps against NFL players who are trying hard is a rare and valuable thing.

My guess is if he is truly banged up they might sit him, but otherwise he plays, because...
1. Guys want to play, and Maye seems like the kind of guy who is gonna push to go out there.
2. They care about the culture in the building and tanking is generally terrible for culture.
3. Maye is trying to develop as a leader, and him sitting out while his teammates play is a brutal look for a leader.
 

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I don't think I am doing anything other than addressing the question about whether Maye should play. Your post (and the others) essentially state that you've seen enough to know what you have in him. I don't agree with that view - I think he is very likely to be their QB1 of the future but we have seen plenty of players get off to promising starts and then fade on the follow (see Stroud, CJ for the most recent example).

I want to see Maye play more - I don't care about watching Joe Milton bomb the ball 99 yards. I want to see more of him reading that free play and also whether he continues to make the same mistakes. I understand that the Bills will have subs in but at present, that just levels the playing field for the Patriots who are mostly back-ups at best. Athletes need to play - not be treated like Fabrege eggs. Injuries can happen at anytime, especially in the NFL. Give him a half and then sit him.
That’s not what anyone is saying though. The argument is more that these particular circumstances won’t help us know any more about Maye’s future, in this one single game. If they had 3 games left it would be a different story. He may bust, he may go to Canton, but I think we’ll know a hell of a lot more after (hopefully) 17 games next year, with a (hopefully) better supporting cast. Whereas Sunday won’t tell us anything
 

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This is exactly my point. Now we have Drake Maye making the Pats too competitive when there is zero evidence that is happening. What is their record with him starting?

They can give him snaps and not endanger their draft status. He hasn't accomplished anything in the NFL yet - he is not a winner yet and doesn't elevate his team enough to overcome their deficits. And he may never get there even if we all want that outcome.
 

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Gut feeling, based on over-reading the statements made by Mayo and AVP is Maye starts, but the second half is Brissett/Milton.
 

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Gut feeling, based on over-reading the statements made by Mayo and AVP is Maye starts, but the second half is Brissett/Milton.
Even if there's reason to play Maye, there's no reason to play Jacoby. They should make him QB3 for this one
 

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Even if there's reason to play Maye, there's no reason to play Jacoby. They should make him QB3 for this one
Well, I'm hedging because maybe they'll kinda do the right thing and not play Maye all game, but then also not do the 100% right thing as part of that and only give Milton a quarter.

Yeah they should just let Milton cook.
So what happens if they give Maye the second half off and Milton leads us to a comeback win????
 

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Maye officially questionable and Milton in the interview room today.
What a tough position for Milton to be in if he starts. He’s a guy who may never get another chance to start an NFL game but if he plays well and wins, his own fans will be annoyed.
 

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What a tough position for Milton to be in if he starts. He’s a guy who may never get another chance to start an NFL game but if he plays well and wins, his own fans will be annoyed.
I‘m sure if he wins while playing well enough to materially impact his career, he won’t be long for New England regardless.
 

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I‘m sure if he wins while playing well enough to materially impact his career, he won’t be long for New England regardless.
The thing I've read most about Milton is "If you need 75 yards, he'll throw it 75 yards. If you need 5 yards, he'll throw it 75 yards."

I don't think Sunday's game is going to launch a successful career for him.
 

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The thing I've read most about Milton is "If you need 75 yards, he'll throw it 75 yards. If you need 5 yards, he'll throw it 75 yards."

I don't think Sunday's game is going to launch a successful career for him.
Yeah I’m not saying it’s anything to think about, only that it’s not worth him worrying about annoying his own fans.
 

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Yeah I’m not saying it’s anything to think about, only that it’s not worth him worrying about annoying his own fans.
Yeah, he won’t be thinking about fans while in the game. Just that it’s a bit of a weird dynamic. Truthfully, he probably sees this as a chance to get an early lead on the backup role.
 

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Didn't know where else to put this, but it's fantastic. One of the better things put out by NFL Films. Interesting to put perspective as we watch Maye develop. Didn't realize that Josh Allen had made so many changes.

View: https://youtu.be/pLAXged85yA?si=fpXqLUsQOvnM9gHf


Mac Jones must have just missed the cut.
This was great overall, thank you for sharing. The Rivers segment was amusing and as noted the House part discussing how Brees was as efficient as Maddux was fascinating. This is worth the time and ads.
 

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View: https://twitter.com/ByChrisMason/status/1879660627771490482

Drake Maye was not at the PC because he got engaged to his girlfriend Ann Michael Hudson.
It's amazing how often talk show people and media people and fans pop off about what these players "should" or "should not" be doing, without having any idea what's actually going on. I know for some of them it's their job but they never seem to offer any qualifiers like, "Now we don't know what Drake was actually doing, but..." Not even that. Just straight ripping him for not being there.
 

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It's amazing how often talk show people and media people and fans pop off about what these players "should" or "should not" be doing, without having any idea what's actually going on. I know for some of them it's their job but they never seem to offer any qualifiers like, "Now we don't know what Drake was actually doing, but..." Not even that. Just straight ripping him for not being there.
Manufactured anger has been the lifeblood of sports talk radio for decades.
So long as the masses buy it they will continue to sell it. I can't remember the last time I listened to Felger for more than 5mins. There was a point in time many years ago where he actually brought some interesting analysis to talk radio but he like everyone before him realized the average mouth breather doesn't care about those fancy advanced stats when it is a lot easier to bash the Coach/Manager/owner/star player.
 

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Manufactured anger has been the lifeblood of sports talk radio for decades.
So long as the masses buy it they will continue to sell it. I can't remember the last time I listened to Felger for more than 5mins. There was a point in time many years ago where he actually brought some interesting analysis to talk radio but he like everyone before him realized the average mouth breather doesn't care about those fancy advanced stats when it is a lot easier to bash the Coach/Manager/owner/star player.
You're totally right.
 

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Mac Jones took flak for attending Mayo's intro press conference. It's all crap.
 
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I don't know why people even listen to sports talk radio like Felger anymore. I fill plenty of time during commutes and workouts listening to any number of way more quality sports talk via podcasts - Patriots Unfiltered, Catch-22, Six Rings, Next Pats podcast, Tom Curran. Even the one with Hurley and Kyed. There's so much quality, in-depth content that turning the radio dial (grandpa) to Mike Felger and all the commercials on terrestrial radio (enjoy your marmalade toast and prune juice, granddad!) seems INSANE to me.

EDIT for relevance to this thread: Yay, Maye!!! I like to see the new players stay with their long-time partners. Speaks to character and maturity? Maybe?
 

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Hasn't Felger trashed on players for missing games due to kids being born and stuff like that? I'm sure Maye proposing to his girlfriend will fall into that bucket for him.