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Honestly, the Flyers' job trolling their fans is some next level shit. First Hextall, then Fletcher, now these clowns?

Hockey remains, far and away, the most good old boys network when it comes to coaching and management. Thanks Gary!
 

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The bar is near the ground, but better choice than Eddie O.

Knows the team better.
 

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Yes, they are not comparable situations at all. Cam spent 3 years as VP of the Bruins before being promoted to President.
My understanding, and if anyone has more direct knowledge please add on, is that Neely was also highly involved with his Neely Foundation, so he came in with managerial experience in a fairly substantial organization.

Bruins management is far from perfect, but the Flyers are a pretty good example of just how much worse it can get.
 

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It might get me flamed around these parts, but I don't really mind Keith Jones on TV.

He's usually fine and sometimes even says stuff that is not obvious. But it seems like such an amateur move to hire him into this job -- like literally asking the most casual fans who they think has the best insight into the future of the Flyers. They'd obviously take the color commentator from the TV broadcast, so there you have it.

I do find it odd also because Jones seems like he'd be smart enough to know that he's better off staying in his lane as an on air TV guy. He's far better at it than former players who were, you know, actually really good hockey players. But wow, talking in front of a camera vs. doing all the granular stuff required to run an NHL team? How do the Flyers not have people in ownership who can see the distinction between these two jobs?

I hope Brick does not start getting fidgety in his seat!
 

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My understanding, and if anyone has more direct knowledge please add on, is that Neely was also highly involved with his Neely Foundation, so he came in with managerial experience in a fairly substantial organization.

Bruins management is far from perfect, but the Flyers are a pretty good example of just how much worse it can get.
That's correct, he founded the Neely Foundation and Neely House and was active in running the organization, especially after he retired from hockey. At the time he joined the Bruins he had some managment experienced through those organizations and then spent a few years learning the ropes inside an NHL ogranization before being promoted to team President.

If I was a Flyers fan, I'd be pissed. The organization has the stink of being an old boys club and they essentially doubling down on it with this hire. It's an organization in desperate need of a breath of fresh air from an outsider but they continually trip over themselves to hire people from within the Flyers family. The GM? Danny Briere. It's the equivalent of Jacobs hiring Andy Brickley or Bob Beers in 2007 after firing Mike O'Connell. Jones seems like a decent guy but has spent the past 20 years as a TV analyst. That gives him connections inside the sport but I don't see how he is qualified to run an entire organization.

Fletcher was an non-Flyer hire so I guess that scared them off but that's what they need.
 

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Briere at least ran the Maine Mariners for several years and was the AGM for a year or two with Philly before being hired. No idea if he’s good but he’s paid some dues and former players are always going to have an easier path to the top spot.
 

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Briere at least ran the Maine Mariners for several years and was the AGM for a year or two with Philly before being hired. No idea if he’s good but he’s paid some dues and former players are always going to have an easier path to the top spot.
Yeah, I've got no issue with Briere. He's put in work and is generally highly thought of. That said, if I was a Flyers fan, I'd probably be rolling my eyes that they yet again went with a family hire.
 

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Briere was a sensible hire.

@wiffleballhero -I agree about Jones on TV...I think he's a solid analyst. But I don't see how that prepares him for that position.

And Fletcher was a non-Flyer but he was certainly a hockey nepo baby...
 

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Yeah, I've got no issue with Briere. He's put in work and is generally highly thought of. That said, if I was a Flyers fan, I'd probably be rolling my eyes that they yet again went with a family hire.
I'm a Flyer fan and I think they are trying whatever they can to stay above water in a city that is largely ignoring them. Tortorella has openly said they need to get rid of guys and Jones/Briere have been around the team all year. I don't think Torts will have to push too hard to get these guys on board with his plan if they already see what he does.

On a side note: I know Keith Jones personally and professionally so I'm obviously cheering for him. He loves the franchise. He's really fun to talk to about the sport.

Briere intrigues me because he was the first big name FA who really didn't "look like a Flyer" and he ended up being a fan favorite because of his playoff performances. Sure, he played for them but he's not part of the old guard.

Fletcher's asset management was laughable. The Voracek-Atkinson trade will probably end up being his best move if Atkinson comes back healthy.
 

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Tillman Fertitta, please pick up the courtesy phone…

That’s Tilman Fertitta, owner of the Houston Rockets and Toyota Center, please pick up the courtesy phone…
 

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"That National Hockey League is terribly disappointed by the results of the public referendum and just wait until your father gets home, Arizona! Boy, I wouldn't want to be you tonight!"
 

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How dare those taxpayers vote against increasing their taxes to support a billionaire who may have the 2nd worst run organization in all of sports.

HOW DARE THEY I SAY.
 

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How dare those taxpayers vote against increasing their taxes to support a billionaire who may have the 2nd worst run organization in all of sports.

HOW DARE THEY I SAY.
From what I understand, the proposal was basically completely privately funded. Voters just didn't want it. The area is currently a landfill that is poisoning the local water and would have been cleaned up as part of this project. That might be the funniest part of all of this, locals preferring a toxic landfill to a free stadium for the Coyotes.

Meruelo is a huge piece of shit, regardless.
 

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Has a hockey player ever pulled an Eli?

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Does Bryan Berard qualify? Probably not, but pretty damn close. From wikipedia:

"Berard was drafted first overall by the Ottawa Senators in the 1995 NHL Entry Draft. As the first overall pick – and with the Senators blue line among the weaker in the league, Berard anticipated going straight to the National Hockey League. However, after his first training camp with the team, he was returned to junior hockey. Concerned about his development with the club, Berard requested a trade."
 

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There’s no shortage of relocation options out there, but Bettman has been hellbent on keeping a team in Arizona.

Quebec City: has an NHL ready arena, but some owners are wary of the issues with exchange rate and that a move would likely require another realignment.

Houston: Probably the favorite as its the biggest US market without a team, but the Toyota Center will only allow an NHL team that’s owned by the Rockets, so a sale would be necessary. Fertitta has expressed interest in buying a team in the past. Reviving the Aeros name would be fun.

Salt Lake City: This has been gathering steam the last few months after Jazz owner Ryan Smith met with Bettman and publicly tweeted that he was working on getting a team to SLC. But there are issues with Vivint’s hockey configuration post renovation that have been issues in exhibition games (lighting, sight lines) and it would be one of the smallest in the NHL.

Milwaukee:I’ve seen this popping up a bit, as the Bucks arena is new and can do hockey. But there would need to be some kind of accommodation with the AHL’s Admirals and the concern that they’re too close to Chicago.

Kansas City: Good sports town, NHL ready arena and potential for a rivalry with the Blues. But there doesn’t seem to be a lot of local ownership interest for an NHL team and the failure of the Scouts in the 70’s might give some owners pause.

Atlanta: There’s also been talk of giving Atlanta a third bite at the apple, but the Thrashers experience should not give anyone confidence.
 

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There’s no shortage of relocation options out there, but Bettman has been hellbent on keeping a team in Arizona.

Quebec City: has an NHL ready arena, but some owners are wary of the issues with exchange rate and that a move would likely require another realignment.

Houston: Probably the favorite as its the biggest US market without a team, but the Toyota Center will only allow an NHL team that’s owned by the Rockets, so a sale would be necessary. Fertitta has expressed interest in buying a team in the past. Reviving the Aeros name would be fun.

Salt Lake City: This has been gathering steam the last few months after Jazz owner Ryan Smith met with Bettman and publicly tweeted that he was working on getting a team to SLC. But there are issues with Vivint’s hockey configuration post renovation that have been issues in exhibition games (lighting, sight lines) and it would be one of the smallest in the NHL.

Milwaukee:I’ve seen this popping up a bit, as the Bucks arena is new and can do hockey. But there would need to be some kind of accommodation with the AHL’s Admirals and the concern that they’re too close to Chicago.

Kansas City: Good sports town, NHL ready arena and potential for a rivalry with the Blues. But there doesn’t seem to be a lot of local ownership interest for an NHL team and the failure of the Scouts in the 70’s might give some owners pause.

Atlanta: There’s also been talk of giving Atlanta a third bite at the apple, but the Thrashers experience should not give anyone confidence.
I think that you also have to add another team in Toronto as well. There always seems to be someone pushing the agenda for another team in Toronto whenever expansion and relocation pops up. It wouldn't shock me if Portland, San Diego and Hamilton, ONT are other locales to add to the list too.
 

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Don’t they have to say that, though? They already planned to be there anyway, and admitting they need to finalize a relocation in the next couple of weeks (TNSE announced their purchase/fee paid on May 31, 2011, for reference) would absolutely drive the market for the relocation fee down.
 

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I think that you also have to add another team in Toronto as well. There always seems to be someone pushing the agenda for another team in Toronto whenever expansion and relocation pops up. It wouldn't shock me if Portland, San Diego and Hamilton, ONT are other locales to add to the list too.
Toronto certainly could support a second team, but wouldn't the Leafs raise holy hell? They already share the same city with their AHL affiliate and can't imagine they want to cede any of the GTA to another franchise.

That Milwaukee has never managed to get its act together for a franchise is wild to me. I don't think proximity to Chicago should be a stumbling block--they may have to be indemnified in some way, but I think that could be worked out. There are larger markets without a team that could make sense (like Houston, San Diego). larger markets that would be stupid (Atlanta, Baltimore), and cities like Quebec City and Hamilton that have a bigger hockey culture that could make up population differences, but Milwaukee sure seems like it should be an A-list option.
 

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Toronto certainly could support a second team, but wouldn't the Leafs raise holy hell? They already share the same city with their AHL affiliate and can't imagine they want to cede any of the GTA to another franchise.

That Milwaukee has never managed to get its act together for a franchise is wild to me. I don't think proximity to Chicago should be a stumbling block--they may have to be indemnified in some way, but I think that could be worked out. There are larger markets without a team that could make sense (like Houston, San Diego). larger markets that would be stupid (Atlanta, Baltimore), and cities like Quebec City and Hamilton that have a bigger hockey culture that could make up population differences, but Milwaukee sure seems like it should be an A-list option.
Yeah, I never understood why Milwaukee has never been a choice either. The Wisconsin hockey team is beloved in that state, I think that the Admirals do pretty well too. Aside from not being in the sun belt, I'm not sure exactly what I'm missing here.
 

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I think that you also have to add another team in Toronto as well. There always seems to be someone pushing the agenda for another team in Toronto whenever expansion and relocation pops up. It wouldn't shock me if Portland, San Diego and Hamilton, ONT are other locales to add to the list too.
Hamilton does have a stadium ready to go, but both the Leafs and the Sabres have the right to block a move for territorial reasons. Another team in Toronto would be difficult for the same reasons and even if the Leafs granted permission while waiting for a new stadium, trying to schedule an additional 40+ dates around the Raptors and Leafs schedule would be tricky. Portland is interesting but might be considered to close to Vancouver and Seattle.

San Diego has an AHL team, but the arena is old and small and attendance is fairly middling.
 

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Yeah. Hamilton seems like a pipe dream because there’s no way that Buffalo would ever agree to letting them in their backyard.

I think the Leafs would be fine, but it seems that the Sabres are always sorta on the line when it comes to weak franchises.
 

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While I'm not from Arizona and don't follow local news around the area deal, are the years and years of sports ineptitude there part of the issue?

Baseball: Other than the D-backs in 2001 (god bless you....well, no, not you BH Kim), its been a big nothing burger in pro sports.
Football: Cardinals have done zip.
Basketball: Suns have recent division titles, but zero championships
And then these Coyote characters, WCF was as far as they have ever managed. Have to go back to the Winnipeg WHL Jets to find a title in the 70's.

Good grief.
 

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i think it’s more about the slap-dash nature behind almost everything involving the Coyotes since before they left Winnipeg. Even going to Phoenix was a Plan B move after their move to Minneapolis fell through. Since then, every move has been second best or worse. The best stretch on-ice coincided with being co-owned by every other team and Bettman threatening to send them back to Winnipeg if the City of Glendale didn’t fork over an eight-digit figure overnight. If I believed in such things, I’d wonder if they were cursed by some old woman in Portage la Prairie to spite them for leaving Winnipeg.
 

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Dubas out in Toronto. His contract was up so probably a "mutual decision" or something.

View: https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1659588872483885057?s=20

Edit: Nope, looks like this was a decision from ownership. Probably ill-advised, Dubas is a good GM. He said it was either return to Toronto or take time off but we'll see what the future holds for him. Seems like he'd be right in FSG's wheelhouse, maybe they give him the bag to be President of Hockey Ops or some similar title?

View: https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1659591071381291009?s=20
 
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Shanny’s presser is live on NHL Network Radio on SiriusXM. He says he got spooked by Dubas’ remarks after the Florida loss, and had to start thinking about alternatives.
 

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My read is after talking with his family, Dubas decided he'd only come back at a certain price. Leafs decided Dubas' heart wasn't really into it anymore, so he's gone.
 

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I wonder how that’ll affect the Matthews talks. And Keefe’s status moving forward.
I'm not sure what Keefe's contract status is but I'd imagine his fate will be left to the next GM.

Matthews and Nylander are entering their walk years so this obviously has a huge impact on their futures.
 

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I'm confused by his leaving the Leafs... was he fired or not? How does one need permission to speak with someone that was fired?
 

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It wouldn’t surprise me if Shanahan told him, “We won’t be renewing your contract, so you may as well clean out today.”

The positive seems to be that the Pens received permission. It would’ve been a real dick move if they held him back until the start of the new league year.
 

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I'm confused by his leaving the Leafs... was he fired or not? How does one need permission to speak with someone that was fired?
He was fired. The contracts for coaches and front office personel are guaranteed. When a GM gets "fired" it's really a "relieved of duties" type thing. They don't rip up the rest of the contract, the contract remains in place and the GM gets paid what is owed for the remainder of the deal. Therefor the team still owns that person as an employee, and thus they need to grant permission for other teams to talk to their fired employee. It's generally a non-issue since if the fired employee gets hired by a new team, the original team is then off the hook for paying the fired person. In this particular case, Dubas is a pending free agent but his contract doesn't expire until 6/30. If anyone wants to talk to him prior to 6/30, the Leafs have to give permission. Sincethe bulk of the NHL offseason is over by 6/30, the Leafs could be dicks and freeze him out. Kinda like when the Bruins hired Chiarelli and the Senators wouldn't let him start until after 7/1.

Anyways, Dubas put out a statement:

View: https://twitter.com/kyledubas/status/1661013565086793732?s=20


Nothing crazy, takes the high road, but certainly refutes the Shannahan narrative that the Leafs were blindsided by a counter offer Dubas sent to Shannahan last Thursday. It also doesn't state that he'll be taking time off so I would think he'll listen to what FSG has to say. He's kind of NHL's Theo, execpt with experience.

Piecing things together it seems like there was a power struggle between Dubas and Shannahan/MLSE. Dubas wanted more autonomy presumably because Shannahan/the board had previously blocked some moves Dubas wanted to make in the past.
 

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Dubas wanted more autonomy presumably because Shannahan/the board had previously blocked some moves Dubas wanted to make in the past.
I will have to dig for it, but I swear I saw a reputable Twitter account claim that the Big 4 have been assured that they’re sticking around, so it may well be that it wasn’t Dubas that fell so in love with this core that they may have choked out their cap flexibility, but Shannahan/MLSE.

Fake edit: it was Chris Johnston.

View: https://twitter.com/sdpnsports/status/1661043926801821698?s=20
 

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Some coaching news today:

Washington hired Spencer Carbery as their head coach. Carbery was an assistant to Sheldon Keefe in Toronto. He did interview for the Bruins job last year.

Nashville fired John Hynes and hired Andrew Brunnette as head coach. Seems like this was a bit of a clumsy maneuver for Barry Trotz first big move as Nashville GM, kinda freezing Hynes out of the hiring cylce...

That said, there's some chatter Hynes could land with NYR. The rumor over the weekend was that Laviolette was the front runner for the Rangers gig but Drury and Hynes have a history as teamates at BU.