Max Fried signs with MFY
- Thread starter SuperDieHard
- Start date
I’m rooting for the Saunders injury.
But then again, I hope it happens to all the Yankee pitchers. The one exception was Chase Wright.
But then again, I hope it happens to all the Yankee pitchers. The one exception was Chase Wright.
Those assholes pivot and the Red Sox focus on this; after years of resisting the idea, the Red Sox will have 6:45 p.m. starts for 15 games.
We all knew once Soto was off the board, the Yankees would be aggressive/switch to plan B.
Over where? Boston or New York?
8 years is a helluva long contract for a 30+ year old pitcher.
This is what you have to do to sign top-level players nowadays. At some point, if the Sox want to compete, it’s likely what they will have to do.
That's the problem, though.
For every premier free agent who signs in the current marketplace, there will be a defendable excuse for the Red Sox not to have made the deal.
The market is never coming back to where the Red Sox are comfortable paying.
You have to spend your money somewhere though.
edit They have Duran, Abreu, Casas, Teel, Mayer, Campbell, Anthony all theoretically underpaid for a bit. They can afford a f'ing overpay to get a pitcher.
I miss the 6:05 April and May starts. It’s so freaking cold at Fenway that a steaming hot cup of chowder is cold before it’s finished.
They’re painting themselves into a corner. Flaherty and Eovoldi would be ok, although certainly less inspiring for fans, and it looks like they may be headed that way. They don’t want to overpay for anything, but they have surplus in both $ and trade chips and need to realize that they’re going to have to overpay a little bit to make something happen….
Well, they paid the same dollars to David Price, for one less year. He was both instrumental in helping us win in 2018, and a giant drain on our chances the last few years.
You can pull moves like this, but not every time with every free agent. In Price's case, I'd say it was worth it. You can overpay once in a while to push your chances over the top, but you have to time it right, with the right player.
Amen that, sir. It is getting increasingly hard to be a Sox fan. Been one since 74 or so. I guess it’s probably rooted in the fact that we have been lied to the past 5 years and getting f**king robbed at the ticket and concession stands. Oh WAIT!!! We get to take in the “Fenway experience”. Which means sitting in extremely small, uncomfortable seats quite possibly behind a pole.
Let's be honest here, in an alternate universe where the Sox just signed Fried to an 8 year deal, a lot of the same posters blasting the team for not going there would be blasting the team for going there. I swear a lot of you have gone full circle to the early 2000's and hate-follow this team
I agree to a point. These are crazy times. But that is the market.
The Red Sox won't pay a 31 year old player because it is too many years.
The Red Sox won't pay a 26 year old player because it is too much money.
I was hoping they were gonna do that for Burnes and leave Fried to us. But the brain trust seems to have spent the last little while talking their chances with Fried so maybe Cashman saw a chance to smack us twice with one signing.
Sox lost out on a good pitcher. Would he have been worth an overpay (i.e., what the Yanks did)? I don't thinks so, not for the Sox anyways b/c it's not clear how close to really competing for a championship they are.
So what's that? Three years, $45 million? Maybe he's friends with somebody on the team, or was a big fan of Curt Schilling growing up, or likes the Celtics, or...
Its always an overpay for some people. Yet the overpays keep coming and getting bigger. And the Yankees can reasonably hope to contend while Sox fans talk themselves into the idea that recovery from a torn UCL and a frayed rotator cuff is a path to viability.a
Yankees ownership cares more about their fans than Sox shareholders care about Boston fans.
Yankees ownership cares more about their fans than Sox shareholders care about Boston fans.
Part of the reason that everyone looks like an overpay is because the org has insisted on signing pitchers to 1 year deals in the last few years- despite having few pitching prospects- which necessitates a need for new pitchers every year! In a marketplace that sees the prices into going up, it’s not a great strategy. Sure you aren’t locked into anyone long term- but that’s not always a positive.
That is the real question, are the Sox willing to compete. Not want to or hope to but actually start paying the crazy money it will take. I did not think adding Soto would happen, that was a hope. Sox need to add alpt to beat the Yankees. Sox need to get uber aggressive now. If they do not our window with our young studs gets a year or two shaved off at a minimum. If Sox intend on winning in the present day they are falling woefully behind the competition.
Price with the higher AAV and that contract was handed out quite awhile ago.
This is just the going rate. LAA just gave Kikuchi $20 million plus.
I get that people are frustrated, but I am SO tired of reading complaints like this over and over and over.
Dombrowski got fired because he didn't have a plan to sustain the level of success he achieved in 2018.
Or, a major piece of his plan was to count on big money pitchers staying healthy into their 30's.
Saying that your have to spend your money somewhere, well yeah, I'm sure they will.
But this would have been David Price 2.0
Which homegrown superstar would we have to trade in 4 years to balance the books?
Yeah, it was worth it, at the time anyway. I'm not trying to re-litigate Mookie, but don't we want the FO to allocate their resources in the most intelligent way possible?
When it comes to top players, what are chances of the Red Sox making a deal if they are not willing to match or go higher than other offers? I can see a current Red Sox player making a deal, but not out on the open market.
If they want to go the small market path, they own the team and can do it how they want it. But, I hope they stop with the all in, full throttle stuff. I think we can win with the small market mentality, but just go with it and stop the BS.
It was worth it…until they got a terrible return for Mookie because they didn’t want to pay Price anymore.
Or you could just ignore the front office propaganda and not assume any books need to be balanced. Maybe they sit out a big year of free agency or something but there is no reason for the Red Sox to have to trade a guy like (redacted) because of David Price’s contract.
I feel like fans (and some owners named JW) need to learn what a discount rate is. At least when premium talent is involved. Or at least watch some Popeye/JW Wimpy.
Counterpoint:
1) How much success have they had since 2018 and his firing?
2) No, we want resources allocated in the most winning way possible. There is a difference.
Then what is the plan to acquire pitching capable of helping the team contend for a division title?
The market dictates.
This hurts far more than Soto.
I have no idea what their plan is. Right now it appears that everyone is signing elsewhere.
Realistically, it means parting with at least 2 of the big 4.
Or hoping you get lucky in a reclamation project.
I don’t think the gap between Fried and Buehler/Flaherty is all that big. Go get one and this is no big deal. Burnes screams disaster.