Matt Waldman Guest Chat 2/27/2014 8:00 EST

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mattwaldmanrsp said:
 
This is coming from a guy who has never been an NFL scout or employee, but has talked with several over the years. It's advice based on their knowledge as well as my experience as  a manager of large teams/branches-offices with several roles I had to account for. In other words - life experience/common sense (to a degree).
 

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  • Commit to this as an aspiration and be persistent. 
     
     
  • I believe Russ Lande still does some scout school work and he has pupils who have earned gigs with college teams and the CFL. Look into that. 
     
     
  • Network, be professional, and be willing to do grunt work that may not be scouting but an entry into the realm.
     
     
  • Know that scouting is a tough business with a lot of turnover, low entry level pay, and long hours.
     
     
  • Learn to communicate in a professional way and not allow frustrations to get the best of you.
     
     
  • Work harder than everyone else - if you can't do it, then you know it might not be for you.
     
     
  • Find coaches clinics conducted by college coaches and pay to attend. Study. Network with these guys. Ask questions. Ask how to get started. If they give you contact info, don' think they were just being nice - actually contact them with salient questions that you have about the game and show that you really want to learn and have a passion. These guys love football. If they see you love it like them, they're more apt to give you a shot if they have one. Not everyone means it when they say to call them, but if they give you a number or email and they seem irritated that you used it and had a salient question for them to answer within a limited amount of time then it's on them for giving you their info when they didn't mean it.
     
     
 
 
 
 
Thanks.
 
 
mattwaldmanrsp said:
 
I do, but if I show them I undermine my relationship with the people who have shared them and risk their careers. There's a certain gray area where I think it makes sense to protect the anonymity of people I write about and when to reveal info fully. I will tell you that the reports I saw were no more than 5-8 sentences on the player's ability on the field.
 
 
 
Of course, I don't want you to reveal anything confidential. I was just wondering if you had any non-confidential examples. It's not a big deal though. 
 
So there is 5-8 lines of on the field info, anything else? 
 
It's shocking to me that a decision maker would use sparknotes. I must have glorified what they do. 
 
 
mattwaldmanrsp said:
 
I don't do mock drafts. I'm not in the Mel Kiper/McShay/beat writer mode. I focus on talent and dissecting technique of players up close.
 
 
 
Yes, I remembered that after I asked.
 
 
mattwaldmanrsp said:
 
Oh boy . . . to me, it's a play.
 
 
 
Thanks, the check is in the mail.
 
 
One more question Matt, where would you rank Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh Freeman, and Tyrod Taylor among starting QBs? I understand you'd be guessing on Taylor.
 

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EL Jeffe said:
Hey Matt, do you have any thoughts on Allen Robinson? He didn't run well, but he did jump very well which indicates that some explosiveness is there. Having so much success in Bill O'Brien's offense, it seems like he could be a good Patriot fit. How do you see his game translating to the NFL level?
 
Hey El Jeffe,
 
I think Robinson is a similar receiver to Dobson in some respects. The funny thing about Robinson is that as big and strong-looking as he is, if you watch him closely he's more of a make-you-miss runner after the catch than a guy whose natural strength shines through as a ball carrier (at least at this stage of his career). He has some difficulty bending in and out of breaks at this point and he'll need to develop the kind of precision with breaks do become a more complete perimeter route runner. He's pretty good for the college game in this regard, but will have to up his game for the NFL level. Robinson has moments where he flashes that strength and skill to adjust to the ball in tight coverage and gain early separation, but he has work to do that isn't minor. 
 
He has to learn to us his hands not only against press coverage, but also to frame routes earlier in the stem so he doesn't have to work as hard to make an adjustment. He makes his life more difficult as a receiver - which often appears impressive when watching him attempt to catch a target with an athletic adjustment, but he's often attempting to bail himself out of his own jams that he helped created. He's also late at attacking the ball. He'll make the catch with his hands, but he has opportunities to extend his arms towards the ball and he's often making his extension over his head or even behind his frame where he wont earn a second chance to catch the ball if he juggles it. 
 
Additionally, making the effort to catch the ball at an earlier window makes the pass easier to control from the get-go. I don't see him developing into the monster player that some hope based on Penn State highlights. However, I thin he can do good work as a secondary option if a team he joins has a primary guy who forces defenses to bracket.  
 

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phragle said:
 
 
Thanks.
 
 
 
 
Of course, I don't want you to reveal anything confidential. I was just wondering if you had any non-confidential examples. It's not a big deal though. 
 
So there is 5-8 lines of on the field info, anything else? 
 
It's shocking to me that a decision maker would use sparknotes. I must have glorified what they do. 
 
 
 
 
Yes, I remembered that after I asked.
 
 
 
 
Thanks, the check is in the mail.
 
 
One more question Matt, where would you rank Ryan Fitzpatrick, Josh Freeman, and Tyrod Taylor among starting QBs? I understand you'd be guessing on Taylor. Fitzpatrick is a quality backup. If I were a GM/personnel man for an NFL team, I'd be satisfied with Fitzpatrick as my backup who can keep my team competitive for the short-term. He understands defenses, plays with an aggressive mindset, and doesn't shrink against competition. Of the three players you mentioned, he's the most limited as an athlete. However, athleticism is a tool in a player's tool chest. 
 
If you've every tried to fix anything around your house, it doesn't matter how nice your tools are - if you don't know how to use them, you're stuck. 
 
Freeman has the most upside. If I had a sense of what went on with him in Tampa that he went from playing like a potential long-term starter to a bench warmer and thought it could be fixed, I'd take him in a heartbeat. I think the Tampa Bay situation was a mess during the Morris years and Schiano's culture change was too much for the organization to handle. 
 
I knew a player who played for the Buccaneers for a short time during Freeman's second season. This player told me that after the Bucs' beat the Saints, they partied and the environment from that point on seemed like one big party.  This included the behavior of the coach. The player I spoke wound up with a different team and was relieved he was no longer there. 
 
I think Schiano might have had the right idea of running the show with more structure but his 180-degree change was too much for players from the previous culture and without an ownership  truly committed to the transition through the losses, player turnover, and criticism in the media, Schiano was playing a losing game. 
 
I'm not naturally a proponent of a militaristic approach to pro football in terms of my management style in other realms, but if you're going to be that kind of guy and the ownership knows this about you - the owners better have a clue what they are getting into and see it through. 
 
Back to Freeman, who wasn't linked to a lot of this partying, but he's caught in a culture change-offense change and probably not the strong enough veteran presence to lead this kind of transition. He had his chance and failed. It doesn't mean if he lands with another team that he can't be a good fit for the situation. Think about your work career or other people you know who lacked the skills to perform their best in one environment but were stars in another. 
 
Sometimes players have lessons they need to learn and mature as most human beings in their late teens and early twenties do - it's like we forget this about young NFL players. Other times this high pressure environment kills their confidence and it's time to find another career if they can't hang on for more paydays as backups. 
 
Freeman's physical talent and flashes of franchise skill are good enough that I'd aim for upside here if I had a young team with a really strong coaching staff and some solid veteran leadership. But if I'm seeking a backup to keep my team afloat when my starter gets nicked, I'm not taking the chance. 
 
Taylor is a player I have not seen enough from since he left Virginia Tech. Some of his preseason moments have been impressive and he might have arrived in the NFL just before the league has begun to open its mind to the idea that size isn't nearly as important as they claim at the QB position - especially if the player is an athlete who can operate a spread offense. Taylor would be most successful in an offense like Washington's two years ago or the 49ers - not because he can't throw - he has a good arm, but he's a creative player and I'd want to maximize his gifts. 
 
Upside: Freeman-Taylor-Fitzgerald
Safety: Fitzgerald-Freeman-Taylor
 
 

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Hey, Matt. Your answers have been above and beyond what was expected. Thank you for putting in so much effort to answer our questions. 
 
I'd like your take on my real gm draft offensive skill position players:
 
QB - Nick Foles
 
RB - Eddie Lacy
RB - Lamichael James
 
FB - Henry Hynoski
 
TE - Ladarius Green
 
WR - Torrey Smith
WR - Tavon Austin
WR - Da'rick Rogers
WR - Marvin Jones
 
How awesome of an offense is that?
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
Hey, Matt. Your answers have been above and beyond what was expected. Thank you for putting in so much effort to answer our questions. 
 
I'd like your take on my real gm draft offensive skill position players:
 
QB - Nick Foles
 
RB - Eddie Lacy
RB - Lamichael James
 
FB - Henry Hynoski
 
TE - Ladarius Green
 
WR - Torrey Smith
WR - Tavon Austin
WR - Da'rick Rogers
WR - Marvin Jones
 
How awesome of an offense is that?
 
You seriously just asked Matt Fucking Waldman about your fantasy team?
 
Are you fucking kidding me?
 

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Reverend said:
 
You seriously just asked Matt Fucking Waldman about your fantasy team?
 
Are you fucking kidding me?
It's not a fantasy team. It's a team building exercise much like the one they started last year. Don't be a dick.
 

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Eck'sSneakyCheese said:
It's not a fantasy team. It's a team building exercise much like the one they started last year. Don't be a dick.
 
So it's a fake fantasy team?
 

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Matt,  big fan, long time reader, first time question askerer.  Thanks for taking the time. Who is your favorite player and do you think Mickey Loomis would trade Jimmy Graham and Marques Colston and 3 first rounders if Bill Bellycheck offered Tavon Wilson, Ryan Mallet and the keys to his boat?
 

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A huge thanks once again to SMU_Sox and Matt for this incredibly informative and fun thread. 
 
Welcomed back anytime -- perhaps after the draft to discuss the aftermath?