Marlins "Outraged" by Red Sox Lineup for ST Game

[judyb]

I think their bus will break down so the game has to be canceled and the Marlins have to refund all the tickets.

 

[Rasputin]

I say go with the starting nine as deep into the game as you can, preferably it will be a late spring game where they may get more innings,. Give the top 3 of the rotation 2-3 inning each followed by the set up guy and closer. Pedal to the metal, don't let up and then listen to the bitches complain about that. .

 
Second to last game of spring.

 

[Ed Hillel]

Start the full 9 and sub them all out after the first pitch.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

and, the Sox were fined..

 
"I'll pay now if you don't mind. Haven't got a pen, have you, your honour?"

 

[Savin Hillbilly]

My love and respect for John Henry just quadrupled.

 

[derekson]

So when do the Marlins get fined for the March 1 and March 2 games? If the Marlins want to start this crap then they should be held to the same standards.
 

 
It’s hard to see how the Marlins have much of a leg to stand on here, though, if they do contact the league office. They’ve thus far played four road games, but the first of those was in their home park (they share Roger Dean Stadium with the Cardinals). In their three actual road games, they’ve brought along four starters just once:
March 1: Christian Yelich, Casey McGehee
March 2: Jarrod Saltalamacchia, Marcell Ozuna
March 5: Rafael Furcal, Marcell Ozuna, Garrett Jones, Casey McGehee
Their one draw, Giancarlo Stanton, has played in all four home games this month, but he hasn’t made any trips.

 
From Hardball Times article.

 

[AbbyNoho]

Psh. Next year I hope they send zero regulars, and just have a check already in the mail to MLB. Considering what someone posted earlier, about the Marlins having done this three times this year themselves, screw them. They only get away with it because most of their players are so shitty virtually anyone in their camp can be considered a "possibility for the starting major league roster".

 

[joe dokes]

My love and respect for John Henry just quadrupled.

Ehh....the church doesn't smell much better with two people farting. He should have just left the Marlins' Methane lingering.  Playing the grownup is *always* the best strategy.

 

[SirPsychoSquints]

So when do the Marlins get fined for the March 1 and March 2 games? If the Marlins want to start this crap then they should be held to the same standards.
 
 
From Hardball Times article.

I don't agree with the conclusion.

On march 2, they also sent Solano, their 2013 starting second baseman per b-r, plus two guys who could be considered platoon regulars in Dobbs and Lucas.

On march 1, they also sent Brantley, who platooned at catcher last year, plus Lucas.

Some of those guys have as good an argument as Carp.

 

[Tyrone Biggums]

This MLB fine is a joke. The Sox should only agree to pay it if Loria gives back the public funding money for his stadium. The Marlins revel in the fact they ended up scamming the city of Miami for $400 million. Samson touted this as an "accomplishment" on Survivor. So they aren't actually hiding this at all. But this is also the same guy who teamed with Selig to kill baseball in Montreal. What should happen is that they're forced to sell the Marlins to someone who will move them to Montreal. Then as a reward for the city of Miami send the Rays to play in that stadium. Two Florida teams are overkill anyways. The Marlins fielded an "all star" roster for the first year the stadium opened then went back to the same old stuff. Loria should have been out of the game a long time ago. 

 

[doc]

It's going to be entertaining to see if we play the Marlins next spring, and what kind of lineup we use if we do.

Send every body and beat them 43-0

 

[MoGator71]

The fine is a joke, no matter how big or small it is. It's pathetic that the Marlins made this an issue, and it's pathetic that MLB feels the need to back them. 
 
JWH should either tell Bud to put it on his revenue sharing tab and add it into the rest of the Marlins' welfare check, or pay it in pennies.

 

[lambolt]

Someone ín charge of this board needs to propose some kind of charity benefitting idea whereby members of this fucking board are sent to play the Marlins for one of their premium spring training games. Wasn't it Maalox who used to say he could hit a 95mph fastball? Did he ever take that challenge by the way?

 

[terrisus]

I say go with the starting nine as deep into the game as you can, preferably it will be a late spring game where they may get more innings,. Give the top 3 of the rotation 2-3 inning each followed by the set up guy and closer. Pedal to the metal, don't let up and then listen to the bitches complain about that. .

Then they would be back to their "running up the score" complaint.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

Someone ín charge of this board needs to propose some kind of charity benefitting idea whereby members of this fucking board are sent to play the Marlins for one of their premium spring training games. Wasn't it Maalox who used to say he could hit a 95mph fastball? Did he ever take that challenge by the way?

 
Yes, Maalox trained for his 90mph fastball challenge and took it for Bash 2008 or 2009 I believe.  Frisbetarian set it up with an ex-minor leaguer he knew.
 
If I were going to bet on one member here acquitting himself well against the Marlins, it would be OFT.

 

[reggiecleveland]

It was 80mph

 

[Tim Naehrings Girl]

I have lived in South Florida for 15 years, and I can only think of five people I know that are Marlin's fans and that includes my husband.  My husband was born and raised here and although he played growing up, he knows nothing at all about the game of baseball, like most non Red Sox fans in South Florida.  Every once in a while when he gets embarrassed by the fact that I watch every game, he will say he is a big Marlins fan but he has never actually sat and watched a whole game on tv and doesn't know any of the players on the team.  

 

[Dustin the Wind]

I have, lived in South Florida for 15 years, and I can only think of five people I know that are Marlin's fans and that includes my husband.  My husband was born and raised here and although he played growing up, he knows nothing at all about the game of baseball, like most non Red Sox fans in South Florida.  Every once in a while when he gets embarrassed by the fact that I watch every game, he will say he is a big Marlins fan but he has never actually sat and watched a whole game on tv and doesn't know any of the players on the team.  

 
Sounds like most Rays fans, too.

 

[Rasputin]

I have lived in South Florida for 15 years, and I can only think of five people I know that are Marlin's fans and that includes my husband.  My husband was born and raised here and although he played growing up, he knows nothing at all about the game of baseball, like most non Red Sox fans in South Florida.  Every once in a while when he gets embarrassed by the fact that I watch every game, he will say he is a big Marlins fan but he has never actually sat and watched a whole game on tv and doesn't know any of the players on the team.  

 
This is like saying you married a nice normal guy who just happens to like having coeds chained up in the bomb shelter.
 
What the hell? What definition of "fan" is he using? I think the definition has to be broad enough so people can miss some games during the season because shit happens, but if you aren't making an effort to watch as many games as humanly possible, there is something wrong with you and you need to be replaced with a replicant of some sort.

 

[SumnerH]

It was 80mph

How did it end?

 

[mabrowndog]

I mean -  that response from the owner of the team is hilarious - but does anyone else wish these guys (Lucky, Henry) would just keep their mouths shut? It looks petty.

 
Agreed. Yeah, it was funny, but be the bigger man. Don't be a Steinbrenner.
 

I think their bus will break down so the game has to be canceled and the Marlins have to refund all the tickets.

 
Now I know who I'm calling for my next "How can I royally and creatively screw over these a-holes?" conundrum.

 

[MentalDisabldLst]

It was 80mph

 
Lots of highschoolers can throw 80.  I was pretty sure it was 90.  And after Maalox flailed at 20 (?) pitches and barely put one (weakly) into play, the guy told Loxie that he was lucky to be facing his four-seamer, because his two-seamer moved even more.  Basically, weeks of practice in the batting cages were nowhere near good enough preparation for pitches thrown by actual humans.
 
I wasn't there myself, but I remember the thread afterwards was a pretty good read, especially Maalox's biting self-critique.

 

[Reverend]

There is video of it out there, if I am not mistaken.

Edit:
http://youtu.be/PMITxWAuhrM

 

[Mike F]

I was there and it was 85. As MD described above it was not pretty for Maalox FLA Maalox Please. The pitchers father was behind the screen talking the entire time. Cited "curves, sliders and 4 seamers" as what his kid could throw past Maalox.
Dizzy Dean would say,"it ain't braggin' if'n yah kin do it."

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

 
Lots of highschoolers can throw 80.  I was pretty sure it was 90.  And after Maalox flailed at 20 (?) pitches and barely put one (weakly) into play, the guy told Loxie that he was lucky to be facing his four-seamer, because his two-seamer moved even more.  Basically, weeks of practice in the batting cages were nowhere near good enough preparation for pitches thrown by actual humans.
 
I wasn't there myself, but I remember the thread afterwards was a pretty good read, especially Maalox's biting self-critique.

 
I was playing shortstop for the challenge. The pitcher was around 85-88 most of the time, because we had a radar gun behind the plate. Loxie got a slow roller to short and a few foul balls, but that was about it it.

 

[Saints Rest]

This MLB fine is a joke. The Sox should only agree to pay it if Loria gives back the public funding money for his stadium. The Marlins revel in the fact they ended up scamming the city of Miami for $400 million. Samson touted this as an "accomplishment" on Survivor. So they aren't actually hiding this at all. But this is also the same guy who teamed with Selig to kill baseball in Montreal. What should happen is that they're forced to sell the Marlins to someone who will move them to Montreal. Then as a reward for the city of Miami send the Rays to play in that stadium. Two Florida teams are overkill anyways. The Marlins fielded an "all star" roster for the first year the stadium opened then went back to the same old stuff. Loria should have been out of the game a long time ago. 

I hope the fine is $1.00
(Randolph and Mortiemr Duke say hi -- because I am "not allowed to use that image extension in this community."

 

[Mike F]

I hope the fine is $1.00
(Randolph and Mortiemr Duke say hi -- because I am "not allowed to use that image extension in this community."[/quote]

As does John Thomas Scopes. But then a dollar was really a dollar.

 

[joe dokes]

"I'll beat your sorry team's ass today, and gladly pay a fine on Thursday."
 
 
--J. Wellington Wimpy

 

[Al Zarilla]

Mike Greenberg on Mike and Mike really laid into the Marlins about this this morning. He got it all right about Marlins ownership ripping off the fan base, getting the money for stadium and then getting rid of most of their recognizable players. Also that this is not the first time. Even Mark Schlereth chimed in with, yeah, Mark Buehrle. Greenberg said he completely sided with Henry about 3 times. 

 

[Tim Naehrings Girl]

 
This is like saying you married a nice normal guy who just happens to like having coeds chained up in the bomb shelter.v
 
What the hell? What definition of "fan" is he using? I think the definition has to be broad enough so people can miss some games during the season because shit happens, but if you aren't making an effort to watch as many games as humanly possible, there is something wrong with you and you need to be replaced with a replicant of some sort.

Exactly my argument to him.  Things get ugly when he wants me to switch over from the Red Sox game to the Marlins.  I watch every game I can and no I am not going to switch to something you think of only because you saw my game on.  I don't know what is worse, marrying someone who doesn't like baseball or marrying a Yankee fan.  We also fight about my four year old.  He wants him to be a Marlins fan because he is growing up here.  I say that people who live here aren't Marlins fans and I want him to grow up rooting for a real team.  It's bad enough that I am going to lose on the Dolphins/Patriots argument, I am not giving in on this one.

 

[Reverend]

Exactly my argument to him.  Things get ugly when he wants me to switch over from the Red Sox game to the Marlins.  I watch every game I can and no I am not going to switch to something you think of only because you saw my game on.  I don't know what is worse, marrying someone who doesn't like baseball or marrying a Yankee fan.  We also fight about my four year old.  He wants him to be a Marlins fan because he is growing up here.  I say that people who live here aren't Marlins fans and I want him to grow up rooting for a real team.  It's bad enough that I am going to lose on the Dolphins/Patriots argument, I am not giving in on this one.

 
I know a lot of people here don't like the whole "Red Sox Nation" shtick, but that's because there's so much more to our little civil religion than the shtick and denying your son the awesomeness of the comraderie one shares with Red Sox fans where one goes in favor of the dull void that comes with being the Marlin fan would be cruel.
 
Edit: Here's to hoping Henry sends the Marlins today's lineup card.

 

[Rovin Romine]

Exactly my argument to him.  Things get ugly when he wants me to switch over from the Red Sox game to the Marlins.  I watch every game I can and no I am not going to switch to something you think of only because you saw my game on.  I don't know what is worse, marrying someone who doesn't like baseball or marrying a Yankee fan.  We also fight about my four year old.  He wants him to be a Marlins fan because he is growing up here.  I say that people who live here aren't Marlins fans and I want him to grow up rooting for a real team.  It's bad enough that I am going to lose on the Dolphins/Patriots argument, I am not giving in on this one.

 
I've been here for awhile and, like you, I know only a handful of Marlins "Fans" - and most of those really have the Marlins as a second "local" team.  As it is now, most people who'd nominally be fans seem to kind of sort of watch the Marlins when they're on, or go to see a game when an interesting visiting team is in town.  They are willing to be happy for the Marlins if they go on a run, but no one really seems to bond with the team.  
 
If the Marlins had any kind of tradition to go with the WS successes, they'd have far more of a fan base than they do.  
 
But the fire sales and the stadium fiasco pretty much make everyone down here "once bitten."
 
(BTW, Miami/SoFL is a very viable market for baseball - the crowds at the WBC were larger than expected.  http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-16/sports/fl-wbc-0317-20130316_1_usa-dominican-marlins-park-dominican-republic )

 

[soxfan121]

I can't be the only person disappointed that Rovin Romine posted and it wasn't a comprehensive breakdown of the eventual fan lawsuit for malpractice and theft against Marlins ownership, complete with relevant statutes. 

 

[RIrooter09]

I've been here for awhile and, like you, I know only a handful of Marlins "Fans" - and most of those really have the Marlins as a second "local" team.  As it is now, most people who'd nominally be fans seem to kind of sort of watch the Marlins when they're on, or go to see a game when an interesting visiting team is in town.  They are willing to be happy for the Marlins if they go on a run, but no one really seems to bond with the team.  
 
If the Marlins had any kind of tradition to go with the WS successes, they'd have far more of a fan base than they do.  
 
But the fire sales and the stadium fiasco pretty much make everyone down here "once bitten."
 
(BTW, Miami/SoFL is a very viable market for baseball - the crowds at the WBC were larger than expected.  http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2013-03-16/sports/fl-wbc-0317-20130316_1_usa-dominican-marlins-park-dominican-republic )

I moved down here a year ago and have experienced the same thing. Any time I bring up baseball my coworkers will bitch about Loria a bit, and then move on to breathlessly discussing last night's Heat game.

 

[HriniakPosterChild]

I don't know what is worse, marrying someone who doesn't like baseball or marrying a Yankee fan. 

 
Let Carville and Matalin help you figure out that one.
 
My condolences, TNG.

 

[PedroKsBambino]

and, the Sox were fined..
 
http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2014/03/08/sources-major-league-baseball-fined-red-sox-for-lineup-against-marlins/

 
So, I trust SoSH is checking Marlins box scores from this spring and writing numerous complaints to MLB about games the Marlins didn't send enough regulars too, right?  Or have we grown lazy and weak?

If you are going to try to benefit from Red Sox fans through 'premium pricing' you also have to recognize the risk of pissing them off...

 

[terrisus]

 
So, I trust SoSH is checking Marlins box scores from this spring and writing numerous complaints to MLB about games the Marlins didn't send enough regulars too, right?  Or have we grown lazy and weak?
If you are going to try to benefit from Red Sox fans through 'premium pricing' you also have to recognize the risk of pissing them off...

 
To be fair, just because they might be horrible players doesn't mean they don't have a shot at being starters for the Marlins.

 

[Rovin Romine]

I can't be the only person disappointed that Rovin Romine posted and it wasn't a comprehensive breakdown of the eventual fan lawsuit for malpractice and theft against Marlins ownership, complete with relevant statutes.

Can't give away the secrets of the suit before I file it. (Still looking for a fan to represent though.)

 

[LogansDad]

I can pretend to be the Marlins fan just as good as he can.

 

[Rovin Romine]

I can pretend to be the Marlins fan just as good as he can.

 
Sweet.  Let's go for I.I.E.D.  http://floridalegalwiki.com/index.php?title=Intentional_Infliction_of_Emotional_Distress

 

[genivive]

I realize that you are both joking.  But after reading the elements, I think Marlins fans and Miami in general have a case. 

 

[Omar's Wacky Neighbor]

From what I've seen, the national shows seem to be squarely behind the Red Sox, due in no small part to it being the Marlins as the team doing the complaining.  (I'm in north NJ, and even the guy at the deli counter brought it up to me yesterday, and he was crapping on the Marlins for it).

 

[Tim Naehrings Girl]

You could make the case except they still have the Heat.  Dlew said it best on facebook after the NBA finals last year when he said "Heat fans are the biggest gang of entitled douchebags this side of the Bronx."

 

[Rovin Romine]

You could make the case except they still have the Heat.  Dlew said it best on facebook after the NBA finals last year when he said "Heat fans are the biggest gang of entitled douchebags this side of the Bronx."

 
I agree in general, but one of the filing clerks at the Miami courthouse (attorney line) is a Heat fan.  She's always in a great mood - all you have to do is point at one of the Heat banners or buttons and say is "So, how are they doing?" and you get grade A service.  You don't even have to be a fan. 
 
So, as sad as it is, the Heat have contributed to my well being.  (Actually the clerks are not that bad down here, surprisingly, given the general state of customer service, which is awful.) 
 
Also, you don't have to really follow the Heat here - Miami is so mixed, you don't really have to do the "fall back on sports" conversational thing.