Fultz is a nice ball handler. Last night, he dribbled across half court and headed to the left side of the hoop for a layup. Everything looked good. And then his shot never got above the rim. It’s just weird.
Traded for Rozier, Danny transfers the voodoo hex he put on Fultz during the draft process to Terry on his way out. Rozier signs a big contract in Philly and immediately loses the ability to dribble a basketball, while Brad cubically transforms Fultz into the next Celtic legend. #TTP.I'm still hoping he ends up being released, signs with the Celtics at the minimum and figures it all out.
Perfectly said.Plus, wherever you go, there you are.
Probably. His contract has value for trade purposes anyway.Does he have negative trade value at this point?
Not until Space Jam 2 wraps.Does he have negative trade value at this point?
I definitely do not expect Fultz' reps to allow Fultz' to play a minute in the G-League. He's going to be shutdown again just like last year except this time by his own people. You cannot continue to expose him when he's like this and there is a good chance that we never see him play another NBA minute. It would be negligent to have him continue playing right now in the G-League.The 76ers are quietly moving on from Fultz and this week off is a good thing for the team. McConnell will take over as backup point guard. Shamet has stepped in as a shooter off the bench. Backcourt defense remains a big problem, of course.
Philly got through a rough part of the schedule that included five back-to-backs.
And Fultz will go down to the D-League after his exam next Monday. Best place for him so he can play a lot and try to find his old college game.
No they won't. We've heard of nothing Fultz has done wrong that would allow PHI to void the contract and I doubt there is anything.If his reps don't let him play you have to wonder if the team will seek to void his contract, though, don't you? They likely don't want that contract on the books and it's hard to see how you move on unless he either plays or has some documented medical issue for which there can be a treatment plan.
Please tell me this all leads to an NBPA arguing for a strict materialist interpretation of "physically unable" with the Sixers citing Thomas Nagel in their response brief.If his reps don't let him play you have to wonder if the team will seek to void his contract, though, don't you? They likely don't want that contract on the books and it's hard to see how you move on unless he either plays or has some documented medical issue for which there can be a treatment plan.
Royce White may be the best comp at this point, though his anxiety problems were diagnosed and agreed. I make that comp not to suggest the specific challenges he faced are the same as Fultz's (we just don't know what Fultz's might be or not be) but that from the perspective of the team, a player who is physically able to play is not for a set of reasons actually able/willing to do so and that leaves the team having to make a choice about the use of the roster spot.
I agree the above is fair PRIOR to the most recent absence. I read the team's response to it as being different in tone than anything previous. The coach said he was "surprised" and didn't know of any injury. The GM suggested he was unaware of anything wrong with the player and had no info on a timeline. It was pretty clear the team was both surprised by and not aligned with this recent development.No they won't. We've heard of nothing Fultz has done wrong that would allow PHI to void the contract and I doubt there is anything.
And sitting a player pending a medical exam is de rigueur.
Kawhi Leonard says, "Bonjour."I agree the above is fair PRIOR to the most recent absence. Did you miss the team's response to it? The coach said he was "surprised" and didn't know of any injury. The GM suggested he was unaware of anything wrong with the player and had no info on a timeline. It was pretty clear the team was both surprised by and not aligned with this recent development.
The player is obligated to show up and play. If he cannot, he is obligated to engage with and follow the team's medical staff. He is not doing that---for now, with the team's acquisence. But I do not anticipate that is a forever condition. Failing to do either is what brings the issue up to a question of what happens next, imo.
You may be right. I just think the team needs some time away from Fultz, too. They have a lot of stuff to iron out with Butler, team defense, etc. Fultz is a huge distraction and he’s not helping.I definitely do not expect Fultz' reps to allow Fultz' to play a minute in the G-League. He's going to be shutdown again just like last year except this time by his own people. You cannot continue to expose him when he's like this and there is a good chance that we never see him play another NBA minute. It would be negligent to have him continue playing right now in the G-League.
No they won't. We've heard of nothing Fultz has done wrong that would allow PHI to void the contract and I doubt there is anything..
We have actually heard rumors that he injured his shoulder riding dirtbikes, which is a prohibited activity under collective bargaining without the team’s permission.Kawhi Leonard says, "Bonjour."
They aren't voiding the contract. I know we as internet message-boarders love talking about the possibility of voiding contracts but unless the person has a felony conviction or something along that lines, the time, cost, expense, and negative PR (just to name a few) means that voiding contracts rarely happens.
Other than voiding a contract for injuries suffered while playing other sports, I can't think of a NBA contract that was voided.
First and foremost, assuming you are correct about the contract that would come into play only if Sixers knew it occurred after July 7, 2017.We have actually heard rumors that he injured his shoulder riding dirtbikes, which is a prohibited activity under collective bargaining without the team’s permission.
Uh, I disagree. If there’s litigation into a multimillion dollar voided contract, they’ll find out.First and foremost, assuming you are correct about the contract that would come into play only if Sixers knew it occurred after July 7, 2017.
Even if such an accident happened, If the Sixers don't know the date of the accident now, they will probably never know.
So, what you are saying is that teams have done precisely what I said (try to void a contract) when other players have not been able to play effectively? Gee, what a surprise.Kawhi Leonard says, "Bonjour."
They aren't voiding the contract. I know we as internet message-boarders love talking about the possibility of voiding contracts but unless the person has a felony conviction or something along that lines, the time, cost, expense, and negative PR (just to name a few) means that voiding contracts rarely happens.
Other than voiding a contract for injuries suffered while playing other sports, I can't think of a NBA contract that was voided.
Remember, GSW couldn't even void Spreewell's contract when he chocked Carlesimo.
fake edit: Cs tried to void Baker's contract for not going to alcohol rehab; I believe they reached a settlement. Tarpley's contract might have been voided but I can't remember if that was the team or the league as Tarpley had failed the league's antidrug policies.
OK. I misinterpreted you a little bit. I thought you meant that PHI would seek to void his contract because they were actually trying to void his contract, not just as a negotiating tool.So, what you are saying is that teams have done precisely what I said (try to void a contract) when other players have not been able to play effectively? Gee, what a surprise.
I certainly do not think they would succeed given the labor environment---nor did i say otherwise. The point is that this is a negotiation and that one of the moves in it is the team seeking to take action (which might be a fine, and then escalate to voiding the contract) and the player will take other actions (threaten litigation for how the team handled the initial injury---which has already been rumored---threaten to sue as to contract, file a grievance through CBA, etc).
The Spurs wanted Kawhi as a player, which is not true of any of the other guys you mention. That is why they took a less aggressive approach.
PHI and PHX should do a Fultz/Josh Jackson swap.Dunc'd on podcast was theorizing on some potential Fultz trades.
ORL for Terrence Ross + Jonathon Simmons
PHI for Trevor Ariza
SAC for ??? More of a SAC would facilitate the deal to some third team because of how much cap space they have
BRK for D'angelo Russell
He also had positive trade valueThe Spurs wanted Kawhi as a player, which is not true of any of the other guys you mention. That is why they took a less aggressive approach.
Sixers fans have been really great supporting him through this. That’s about to change.It’s been at least a few hours, time to throw another log onto this fire.
Now Markelle wants a fresh start with a new team and also has an undiagnosed, mysterious wrist injury that also affects his shot.
https://www.libertyballers.com/2018/11/21/18107286/markelle-fultz-would-prefer-a-fresh-start-with-a-new-team
Jay Williams got bought out for $3M. Fultz has the prorated portion of his $12M this year plus $16M next year. I’d say saving $20M is worth tossing the idea around, but it ain’t my money.Jay Williams contract was bought out, although it probably could have been voided due to him riding a motorcycle. They decided not to for PR reasons.
Fultz doesn't make enough to even consider voiding.
Not to be a dink although I play one on the internet quite often but for accuracy sake the numbers are prorated portion of this years $8,339,880 ($6,305,763) and next years full $9,745,200 for a total remaining due of $16,050,963.Jay Williams got bought out for $3M. Fultz has the prorated portion of his $12M this year plus $16M next year. I’d say saving $20M is worth tossing the idea around, but it ain’t my money.
Nope you’re right, I was looking at the option years.Not to be a dink although I play one on the internet quite often but for accuracy sake the numbers are prorated portion of this years $8,339,880 ($6,305,763) and next years full $9,745,200 for a total remaining due of $16,050,963.
Maybe, but the cap back then was barely 40 mil.Jay Williams got bought out for $3M. Fultz has the prorated portion of his $12M this year plus $16M next year. I’d say saving $20M is worth tossing the idea around, but it ain’t my money.
The most disconcerting part about this saga is that if this is mental which I think is the likeliest possibility, Fultz doesn't seem honest to simply recognize what is happening and instead tries ever increasingly far-fetched excuses while shifting the blame to people who try to help him.
I am beginning to suspect that there's multiple mental things going wrong with Fultz and not just his state of mind when he has to take a jumper.
I still wish him luck, but at this point he's headed for a 30 for 30 documentary about the no 1 draft pick whose shooting turned into a pumpkin.
Did you guys even read the article linked a few posts above?Yea, the stigma around mental health is still a huge factor in cases like this. It is a shame, but understandable. We have come a long way, but still are not close to dealing with mental health like we do physical health.
The new wrist "injury" is a cover, but Fultz's team is admitting he has the yips.As he tries to work through and compensate for the injury, it has at times resulted in a case of the ‘yips,’ especially when shooting free throws.
Will anyone even sign him?I also wouldn't be surprised if Fultz was agreeable to a buy out. It would give him the option to sign where he wants while putting money in the bank.
JWill was owed about 7.7M on his contract. http://www.espn.com/nba/news/story?id=1737488Jay Williams got bought out for $3M. Fultz has the prorated portion of his $12M this year plus $16M next year. I’d say saving $20M is worth tossing the idea around, but it ain’t my money.
For the league minimum, I'm sure. Anthony Bennett got quite a few chances and isn't half the prospect Fultz is. A team like Phoenix would have nothing to lose by playing him.Will anyone even sign him?
Are we sure he wants to play elsewhere? I know he's said he'd like a new start but he hasn't played a lot of basketball since March 2017.I also wouldn't be surprised if Fultz was agreeable to a buy out. It would give him the option to sign where he wants while putting money in the bank.
It would be the 76ers trying to void a contract, not Fultz.Fultz ain’t voiding anything. This could easily be the last big money he ever sees.
Well, I feel stupid. Read that post wrong. Agree that there is value to being a FA sooner but wondering what Fultz’s price is. $4M is a lot for a guy with his risk profile.It would be the 76ers trying to void a contract, not Fultz.
A buyout would be much different. Fultz agreeing to a $12 mil buyout would save Philly 4 mil and let Fultz become a FA a lot earlier.
The NBA minimum for a player with 2 years of experience this year is a little more than 1.5 mil. He would sign on with another team for the rest of the year at the prorated amount which is roughly $1.2 mil. It would be more like $1.3 mil he'd be giving up.Well, I feel stupid. Read that post wrong. Agree that there is value to being a FA sooner but wondering what Fultz’s price is. $4M is a lot for a guy with his risk profile.