Chicago trades Brandon Pirri to Florida for a 2014 3rd round pick and a 2015 3rd.
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On the surface, given the weak '14 class it seems like a great deal for Florida. Pirri has been great the past 2 years in Rockford, and is Ryan Spooner's age.
Doesn't have the same physical tools but he should be a solid top-9er long-term.
Doesn't have the same physical tools but he should be a solid top-9er long-term.
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Hearing the NHL has reversed part of its penalty against the Devils for cap circumvention (Kovalchuk contract)....
NHL will award Devils with the 30th pick in the Draft instead of the 1st round pick as usually determined. Also forgiving $1.5 mil of fine.
Devils were orginally fined $3 mil, had to forfeit a 3rd round pick in 2011 as well as a 1st in one of next 4 drafts...
Needless to say, NHL teams are not happy with the leagues decision to let the Devils off the hook.
All kinds of reax from NHL teams to the Devils story. Some accusing NHL of doing new ownership a favour....
More reax includes the assessment..teams that didn't break rules punished retroactively on cap recapture. Team that did, is not punished...
Hearing the NHL has reversed part of its penalty against the Devils for cap circumvention (Kovalchuk contract)....
NHL will award Devils with the 30th pick in the Draft instead of the 1st round pick as usually determined. Also forgiving $1.5 mil of fine.
Devils were orginally fined $3 mil, had to forfeit a 3rd round pick in 2011 as well as a 1st in one of next 4 drafts...
Needless to say, NHL teams are not happy with the leagues decision to let the Devils off the hook.
All kinds of reax from NHL teams to the Devils story. Some accusing NHL of doing new ownership a favour....
More reax includes the assessment..teams that didn't break rules punished retroactively on cap recapture. Team that did, is not punished...
Seriously - what the hell happened to Cam Ward?Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
Great for Khudobin though.
It still didn't.Manzivino said:
I'd rather have our lottery pick this year than both of these suck ass picks at the end of the round.
Smiling Joe Hesketh said:
He's played well for them. I was hoping the Flyers would sign him last summer and let him battle with Mason. Mason has worked out pretty well though.
mikeford said:
My first thought was wow, keeping the pick was the right move. But you're right, I'd probably trade #29 and #30 for #10.
I always thought the penalty was bullshit considering they really didn't do anything that a half-dozen other teams were doing and had already done. But that said it's also bullshit for them to turn around and cut Jersey a break later on. I wonder if Kovy bailing out on them had anything to do with it.
At the time, I thought the Mason for Bob trade was just a trade of trading crap for crap, but that trade has worked out well for both teams. Sometimes a change of scenery is what is needed, I guess.MoGator71 said:
Last night, Nathan MacKinnon set up the winning overtime goal to give the Avs a win over the Red Wings. The assist enabled MacKinnon to break Wayne Gretzky's record for the most consecutive games recording a point for an eighteen year old in the NHL. As an 18 year old, he leads all rookies in scoring by a considerable margin. Interesting that last year, he mostly sat on the bench for Team Canada during the World Junior Championships now he is leaving most of those teammates in his wake. Great to see this Nova Scotian doing so well and for the Team Canada coaches who decided not to use him, phooey on you!
The Red Wings retired #5 before that game last night. I wish I was able to watch that live (or even in person). Arguably the greatest defenseman of all time.
The stat that just astounded me about Lidstrom was that he played 20 years in the NHL, and the Red wings made the playoffs EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM. Are there any other players in any other sport that has anything close to a comparable line?
Edit: thought of one: Bill Russell went to the playoffs in all 13 season he played, and won championships 11 times. Any others?
Edit: thought of one: Bill Russell went to the playoffs in all 13 season he played, and won championships 11 times. Any others?
AMcGhie said:
Ray Bourque was close until the streak ended in in 96-97. He made the playoffs with the B's 17 straight seasons and 19 out of 20 in his career with the B's. It becomes 21 out of 22 seasons if you count the 2 playoffs with Colorado. I also think Lidstrom and Bourque are T-2 for greatest defensemen of all time, behind Orr. Their consistency of excellence is almost unparalleled.
Ray Bourque. 22 seasons, 21 playoff appearances. Made it for 17 straight years until 96/97. Ray and Nick are easily the best defenseman I've ever saw.
I watched bits and pieces of the ceremony and game last night, and the most amazing stat the Detroit guys gave was that Lidstrom, in his entire career, only had 1 roughing penalty. Including playoffs, the guy played over 1800 NHL games and 1 roughing penalty in his career as a defenseman is freaking astounding.
Edit: TFP beats me to the Bourque comp. I would bet there are a few others Wings that have similar playoff streaks. Yzerman maybe, Datsyuk is getting there, etc. They are in every year so there's a whole host of guys with lengthy playoff streaks.
I watched bits and pieces of the ceremony and game last night, and the most amazing stat the Detroit guys gave was that Lidstrom, in his entire career, only had 1 roughing penalty. Including playoffs, the guy played over 1800 NHL games and 1 roughing penalty in his career as a defenseman is freaking astounding.
Edit: TFP beats me to the Bourque comp. I would bet there are a few others Wings that have similar playoff streaks. Yzerman maybe, Datsyuk is getting there, etc. They are in every year so there's a whole host of guys with lengthy playoff streaks.
I guess we have to throw out the obligatory Orr retired at 27.
There's nobody that will ever unseat Orr as the greatest of all time, he defined the position, but Lidstrom and Bourque are at least in the conversation.
There's nobody that will ever unseat Orr as the greatest of all time, he defined the position, but Lidstrom and Bourque are at least in the conversation.
scotian1 said:
I'd like to send another gift basket to Steve Spott. It was ridiculous 14 months ago, and it's still ridiculous now. I can't believe he didn't use Drouin and MacKinnon together.
cshea said:
It's amazing how good a defenseman Lidstrom was when you consider his penalty minute totals across the board. 514 career PIMs, there's guys who would get than in 1 season if they logged the ice time Lidstrom did. He's got a stretch of 4 straight seasons with < 20 PIMs.
When you start rating the top defenceman of all time you can't leave Doug Harvey out of the equation. He was the Bobby Orr before there was Bobby Orr. Not the skater Orr was but who was or is now but Harvey was a rated as perhaps the greatest defensive defenceman of all time. He was comparable to Orr that he could control the play in all three zones of the ice. In 1998, the Hockey News rated him as the 6th greatest hockey player of all time out of their top 100 rankings.
I agree, I have Harvey as my 4th now. In fact, I think the top 4 is clear cut (Orr, Lidstrom, Bourque, Harvey) and then it go in many directions for numbers 5 on up.
Reminded me to look up the old RMPS All Time Team threads we have (here, we voted those 4 as the top 4, even though I stupidly voted for Stevens). I think this offseason I'll run these exercises again, only because we've gained a lot of new posters in the last 4.5 year and it'd be interesting to see if anything has changed.
Reminded me to look up the old RMPS All Time Team threads we have (here, we voted those 4 as the top 4, even though I stupidly voted for Stevens). I think this offseason I'll run these exercises again, only because we've gained a lot of new posters in the last 4.5 year and it'd be interesting to see if anything has changed.
Kuznetsov signed his ELC with Washington. He'll skate tomorrow morning and may debut on Monday against Pittsburgh.
Halak and a 3rd for Neuvirth.TheShynessClinic said:
I like what Murray's done with the rebuild but that's just a terrible idea.
He had impressive moments in the Olympics. It will be interesting to see what the Caps get out of him this year. They could certainly use the forward depth.ForceAtHome said:
TheRealness said:
Kuznetsov didn't make the Olympic team... He has put on some really impressive showings at the WJC though. It really sounds like Kuznetsov will suit up against Pittsburgh tomorrow, though it's unclear where he'll fit exactly. Needless to say, I'm very excited.
A little about him below via WaPo. I love the kid already. He's already a couple years ahead of Malkin and Semin when it comes to interviews, too.
The GM meetings are underway in Florida with some interesting topics being discussed. Expanding replay, extending OT and the possibility of coaches challenges are on the table. It'll be interesting to see what comes out of OT. I'm all for anything that minimizes shootouts, so extending OT would be awesome. I'm not as sold on the idea of expanding replay and or coaches challenges. We'll have to see what sort of parameters are set for the replay first.
It's Timmy time!
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Lindy Ruff says Kari Lehtonen has a concussion. ``When he starts feeling well, he'll start exercising again.''
Mike Heika @MikeHeika 5m
Lindy Ruff says Kari Lehtonen has a concussion. ``When he starts feeling well, he'll start exercising again.''
cshea said:
The only proposal I've seen that is getting serious traction is making the teams switch ends in OT. Since the 2nd period has more scoring, and they think that's because of the long change, they're hoping that that will prompt more scoring in OT.
I saw a nice point-spread proposal that I liked. Go 3-2-1-0 for (RW/OW)-(SW)-(SL)-(RL/OL). So losing in OT is still 0 points, but getting to the shootout means 1 point each with the 1 point going to the SO winner. I think that promotes going for the win, and then making the SO win worth 1/3rd of a regulation win. It also makes every game worth the same amount.
Ultimately, re-pointing regulation/overtime/shootout wins and losses doesn't mean a lot in terms of standings (I think last year, only 2-3 teams would have changed playoff seeds), but I think giving teams the incentive to win in regulation, and depreciating the value of OT would lead to more exciting OT's
The meetings are beginning to wind down. Sounds like (paraphrasing tweets from the usual suspects- Dreger, Lavoie, Friedman, etc.) there is very little traction on extending OT. They're worried about game length. It seems like they're next step is going to be using the long change in OT as well as dry scraping the ice before OT, instead of right before the SO.
The one idea that has serious traction, and may be implemented is moving the hash marks from 3 feet apart to 5 feet. That should promote more scoring due to less scrums and battles off draws. Dreger also says the idea was floated that instead of a player getting tossed from the dot for a faceoff violation, the player would have to move back 2 feet. A second offense would lead to a minor penalty. This seems dumb to me since everyone cheats on draws and it just depends on the linesman's threshold for that particular game.
The linesmen make too big a scene out of the whole thing as it is, I can't imagine how this would work.
The one idea that has serious traction, and may be implemented is moving the hash marks from 3 feet apart to 5 feet. That should promote more scoring due to less scrums and battles off draws. Dreger also says the idea was floated that instead of a player getting tossed from the dot for a faceoff violation, the player would have to move back 2 feet. A second offense would lead to a minor penalty. This seems dumb to me since everyone cheats on draws and it just depends on the linesman's threshold for that particular game.
The linesmen make too big a scene out of the whole thing as it is, I can't imagine how this would work.
When was the last time someone got called on a minor penalty for a faceoff infraction? The second guy is almost at a benefit as nobody generally has the balls to make the call.
cshea said:
I don't see that being any more of a scene than it already is on the linesman end of it. Probably a lot more squabbling from the center that was thrown out. If that center moves back 2 ft, you're almost giving the other center a free shot on goal from the dot or at least the ability to draw it back to whoever is wanting to take the shot. That seems a little out of balance.
I like the idea of moving the hash marks apart. I don't get a lot of enjoyment from the faceoff lineup slashing and shoving.
I don't get everyone's fixation on game length. I mean we're talking about OT, the most exciting part of the game. And even if they did go to say an 8-minute OT they'd lose some shootouts anyway; I'm not convinced that wouldn't be a neutral change in terms of game length. Or start dropping the puck at 7:05 again instead of 7:10 or whatever we're up to now. I truly can't imagine giving less of a shit if a game goes an extra 5 minutes.
I don't like dicking around with faceoffs, Not only that but moving guys around, pushing them back, calling penalties...that all takes time. Shorter games!
I'm still waiting for them to lose the red line for everything. Change icing to a clear from inside your own blue line. No need to whistle an icing because a guy tries a stretch pass that misses, play on.
I know Claude Giroux has gotten called 5-6 times for gloving the puck on draws. It's frustrating as hell, and I can't recall a single guy getting that penalty other than Giroux.kenneycb said:
I don't like dicking around with faceoffs, Not only that but moving guys around, pushing them back, calling penalties...that all takes time. Shorter games!
I'm still waiting for them to lose the red line for everything. Change icing to a clear from inside your own blue line. No need to whistle an icing because a guy tries a stretch pass that misses, play on.
I've seen that called a few times and don't have a problem with it. I'm more talking about the center getting thrown out and then the winger also getting thrown out and getting a minor penalty. No linesman has the balls to actually give out those two minutes.MoGator71 said:
Yeah they never call the minor, which is why the league is considering changing the penalty for being tossed to moving a foot or two back. Since the minor is never called, after an icing coaches can have the winger (then Bruins do this with Marchand/Bergeron) to deliberately get tossed to give themselves some extra time to rest. The other, more obvious issue, is that since the minor never gets called, the integrity of the 2nd draw gets compromised since the 2nd guy can basically do whatever he wants with no fear of repercussion.
MoGator71 said:
This is a huge one for me especially in
I've started to watch Premier League this year and one of my favorite things is games at 10:00 start at 10:00 sharp. That is probably a pipe dream for the NHL but would 7:05 or 7:35 really kill them? I appreciate them trying to keep it under a certain time but I don't think the game is much of the problem.
No surprise, but Dallas and Rich Peverley announced today that Peverley's season is over. He's heading to Cleveland for a heart procedure and will evaluate any return to his player career after that is complete.
Not a surprise that Peverley is shutting it down. So scary...first thing I thought of was Reggie Lewis.
Making guys move back makes sense in that case. Or even just change the rule so they can keep tossing guys until d-men are taking faceoffs. But then there's the whole speed up the game thing. I'm curious to see how moving guys back will work when it's put in place, I wonder if they'll just go ahead and implement it or test it in preseason or do another one of those summer camp things where they test different rule changes.
No, the game is rarely the problem. It's the same thing with baseball...they complain about how long it takes guys to jog in from the bullpen but they give ESPN and FOX double ad time between innings. Awful. That's one thing I like about watching a soccer match, start times and running time, no ad stoppages.
cshea said:
Making guys move back makes sense in that case. Or even just change the rule so they can keep tossing guys until d-men are taking faceoffs. But then there's the whole speed up the game thing. I'm curious to see how moving guys back will work when it's put in place, I wonder if they'll just go ahead and implement it or test it in preseason or do another one of those summer camp things where they test different rule changes.
allstonite said:
No, the game is rarely the problem. It's the same thing with baseball...they complain about how long it takes guys to jog in from the bullpen but they give ESPN and FOX double ad time between innings. Awful. That's one thing I like about watching a soccer match, start times and running time, no ad stoppages.
