Not really close, unless you put a lot of words in his mouth. Clemens actually blamed his wife...like, said the PEDs were hers. Peyton is choosing to deny his own PED use and saying his wife's medical history is private - period - not acknowledging any other claims made by the shady doc. Everyone else is left to wonder if the claims are true, and if so, what that means about his wife.
I think Ari might have been secured after Peyton's initial denial. It doesn't mean he couldn't release another statement, but they might think it's better not to stir the pot or give any more legitimacy to the claims.
The quotes dhappy has pointed out all have well known verbal cues that indicate that Peyton is probably lying.
I haven't seen the Manning interview/statement either so that line was possibly said with more context, but on it's own it is ambigious if "It" is not defined.
That's not his point, though. He's saying Manning's statements were crafted to be ambiguous and prevent any culpability.
This?
That doesn't really cover what it was said in response to, if anything.
Look at it from the other direction. What exactly did Manning deny in his statement(s).
He didn't bring his wife into it. Sly did. What is he supposed to say other than what he did?
Maybe the ultrasound showed a severely undersized forehead on the baby and they were just doing what any loving parents would do?
I took what he said to mean he thinks Peyton is guilty and therefore did bring his wife into the situation by involving her in the first place.
Manning didn't bring the missus into it in the denial, but he did if he had it delivered to their house in her name. That is obviously far from proven, but a real possibility. Not to mention monumentally stupid.
Looks like some shitty restaurant on rt 18 in Abington.Here's a picture of Guyer's office. Seems like where I would go for service if I was a multi-million dollar athlete, especially the out of staters:
Edit - Got it l1, I read that hastily. Thanks for the catch.
Who can he trust more than her?
When you're committing a crime that the powers that be secretly want you to get away with, it doesn't take much smarts to do it.
The epitome of what you're looking for in an anti-aging doctor.Who can he trust more than her?
Regardless, have you seen a picture of Dr. Guyer? His patients speak very highly of him.
OK. The difference is Sly brought up Peyton's wife and Roger brought up his wife himself. The similarity is, if guilty, they both brought their wives into a PED using scheme. So I'll disagree with "not really close". The ideas that Debbie Clemens used steroids while Roger didn't, and that Ashley Manning was getting hGH from an anti-aging clinic instead of her physician equally lacking in believability.
Okay. What, exactly, never happened? Manning is being purposefully or, more likely, subconsciously vague. Again, this is how liars talk. Wife: "Jane says she saw you checking into a motel with a woman when you told me you were bowling with your buddies." Husband: "Jane's crazy. It never happened."
And therein lies the problem--a number of cues might be associated with lying, but they are not uniquely associated with telling a lie. The predictive power of the cues is a lot weaker than post hoc analysis in this sort of case.
Okay, but you had asked about the response (which was the main topic of the thread at the moment), not the scheme, and that is what I was replying to. If we are talking about the scheme, and we assume that Peyton is guilty of taking PEDs, then yes, it is very much like Clemens in that it involved his wife as a surrogate recipient.
Not quite. I didn't say all of Manning's statements were necessarily crafted to be ambiguous, just that they include liar's "tells." Manning has made more than a few statements about this. Some seem spontaneous, others seem crafted. All seem a bit dodgy.
Excellent point and another reason Manning's "my wife's medical business is her business" line (not an exact quote) is extremely suspicious.
In my mind, you most certainly moved goalposts between your early posts. Here is your original statement...
From the start, I've made a distinction between unequivocal denial and that unequivocal denial being true or a lie. I'm not sure if you believe in this difference. If not, then that explains why we couldn't really get on the same page.
Don't think so. Not on purpose, anyway.
I believe in and understand the difference. I'm not arguing that Manning's statements are untrue. I'm saying he's using the kind of language that people who have been caught doing something wrong use when they don't want to admit it. They (1) make general, not specific, denials, using imprecise language that implies innocence, but does not directly assert innocence, (2) point to tangential incorrect details of an accusation and (3) attack the messenger in an overly-aggressive way.
Okay, we're talking past each other then. To me, the below quote is an unequivocal denial. Whether it falls into your "liar language" category (on the last page, you explained the first sentence did), I care not.
I wonder if there would be some hesitation due to the results of the Bonds and Clemens prosecutions.
I'm guessing it would be a factor if Manning's was a borderline case. But we're getting ahead of ourselves here.
They could have at least meme'd the right scene. This one they are discussing what a bad idea it was to take a vacation from themselves, hence the stache.I can't believe this wasn't already posted by a certain member of this community.
I think I agree at this point. Honestly, I subscribe to the motto "Better Living Through Chemistry". I don't really care whether Peyton used HGH or not, despite the schadenfreude and the fact that he's an unrepentant jackass. In fact, I take far more glee in watching the great Peyton Manning perform worse than Johnny Manziel, despite having a great team surrounding him (unlike Manziel). I hope he comes back and puts up another terrible performance.
Exactly my thought too. We're supposed to buy that Ashley Manning is getting packages of HGH shipped to her and notorious control freak Peyton Manning is not at all concerned about the possible impact to his legacy and his brand? He's really just like "that's none of my business"? Maybe this is basically a legitimate action and an innocent mistake, and the law doesn't require that Ashley Manning disclose her private medical information, but "HGH being delivered to future Hall of Famer's home" is a bad look.
He wasn't under surveillance before, and as @H78 said, he has no chance of re-establishing his illicit drug trade - because he both can no longer be trusted to keep things secret and now has a target on his back. I wonder how much law enforcement has on him with the drugs he sold to Al Jazeera alone. Based on what we talked about in this thread yesterday, I guess it's at least 5 years, assuming there's hGH in that stash.
You mean the other guys Sly mentioned? I don't think they're getting stuff through Guyer's clinic. They get it through Sly who isn't affiliated with them anymore. He was there at the time Manning got it from Guyer, but all those other guys were going through Sly and a whole other pipeline. At least that's how I understood it.
