it doesn't make sense that Sly was "testing" the reporter because he brought him to his house and offered him a syringe full of drugs taken from his refrigerator that was also full of drugs, I mean why would he incriminate himself like that if he thought Liam was really a reporter? Makes zero sense, I hope there are multiple agencies looking into this guy now.
Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall
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I think this is a good list, but I believe there's at least one omission: 8) is there enough here to interest the government in launching a probe?
The NFL will bury this, because apart from DFG, BountyGate, and to a lesser extent, the cap stuff with the Cowboys and Skins, that's what it does. "Consistency" (#4) is a complete joke - the league didn't take any meaningful action against the Broncos for cap stuff, or against multiple other teams/players for ball inflation stuff.
But independent oversight is something the NFL desperately wants to avoid, even to the extent of having Goodell make up new charges against Brady to provide additional substance to his court case and appeal. If the feds step in, the most nervous party won't be Peyton, Keller or Mike Neal - it'll be Czar Roger.
Personally, that would suit me just fine - and if Peyton (and/or Keller, and/or the sainted Pack) end up as collateral damage, so much the better.
How has your experience in the bodybuilding community convinced you of the dangers of responsible PED use?
I am 99% convinced that Sly is covering his ass now. If he were really testing Liam's purpose, why would he mention James Harrison? How many Brits would know who he is? Like 5? He also mentions on tape that he just got a text from Clay Matthews. If the Feds want to investigate, and they probably will given the high profile of some of the names, they could easily ask AJ for the time/date of the footage and cross reference that with cell phone records. The NFL can ignore all they want but if the Feds get involved like with MLB, they won't be able to sweep it under the rug.
Not trying to derail the thread, but I don't think the bolded above is true (unless you are referencing another violation).
http://yourteamcheats.com/DEN#Salarycapgate-1996
If he were testing Liam's purpose why would he show him a refrigerator full of (probably) illicit drugs?
Guess I'd blipped that part out of my memory - thanks for the reminder (of the fines and the need to research before posting!). I'd probably still argue that losing cap space in future years, as the NFC East teams did, is a more fitting punishment (rather than just docking an owner a fraction of his annual NFL profits), but your point stands - my apologies for the misrepresentation.
Yeah, and I suggested that the title be changed, because as I pointed out earlier, Manning is really a peripheral figure in the case.
The thread title seems fine to me. Surprise! Shady doctors everywhere are willing to write scripts for athletes for money. Surprise! Athletes are willing to take PEDs and pain killers for money and fame. Peyton Manning - all-time great country boy - is what everyone wants to talk about. Add more angles if you want, but his name needs to stay in it or we're not being honest with ourselves.
Agree with this but Manning has really made himself even more of a central figure with his full court media press of piss and vinegar.
Also it is crystal clear to me that Sly is using Mort to cover his own ass. This to me is not even up for debate.
Leaving morality and legality aside, sports are entirely about setting up a system of arbitrary rules and then seeing who can win under those rules. Yoga and exercise and diet and water are inside the arbitrary rules. HGH is outside them. Making the opponent's goalposts a bit narrower isn't harmful or immoral in any abstract sense, but it's still cheating and should be punished accordingly.
Even in medically controlled cases, HGH causes increased rates of diabetes and joint problems/carpal tunnel problems.
I don't know if this actually exists. Because they are controlled substances, PEDs aren't as extensively tested as commercial prescription drugs. Synthetic human growth hormone didn't even exist a generation ago (recombinant hGH was first purified in 1981). What we know about excessive GH levels in humans comes from people who suffer from a pituitary condition known as acromegaly. While there have been some small-scale studies designed to test the effects of GH on athletic performance, there aren't enough to form anything close to consensus. Acromegaly is also pretty rare, so there's not a lot of information out there on what GH actually does to adults. In that sense, people who are using synthetic hGH for performance enhancing purposes are self-experimenting.
Obviously, testosterone and its analogs has been available for a lot longer, and it's pretty much widely documented what steroid abuse does to your body.
From nearly four years ago, an obituary for Facts:
"American society has lost confidence that there's a single alternative," she said. "Anybody can express an opinion on a blog or any other outlet and there's no system of verification or double-checking, you just say whatever you want to and it gets magnified. It's just kind of a bizarre world in which one person's opinion counts as much as anybody else's."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-19/news/ct-talk-huppke-obit-facts-20120419_1_facts-philosopher-opinion
"American society has lost confidence that there's a single alternative," she said. "Anybody can express an opinion on a blog or any other outlet and there's no system of verification or double-checking, you just say whatever you want to and it gets magnified. It's just kind of a bizarre world in which one person's opinion counts as much as anybody else's."
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-04-19/news/ct-talk-huppke-obit-facts-20120419_1_facts-philosopher-opinion
"Mort" has proven himself to be a flack for RG&Co. If he's covering for Sly, it's because a Sly cover-up is consistent with the NFL's objectives.
There's no reason to cite "Mort" as an authority on this or anything else - he should be treated with the same disdain as Dr. Chao.
Most people I know get monthly blood panels analyzed. So abuse being doses that are messing with your liver or prolactin or lipids.
While synthetic HGH is from the 1980s, cadaver HGH was used for decades before that and as early as the 1950s there were studies of the effects on adults..
The Annals of Internal Medicine did a metastudy that examined 31 different studies on HGH in adults (most of them studying it as an anti-aging drug*) and attempted to assess the risks; it's one of the biggest studies on the impact of HGH use in adults, but it's still very much an open field of inquiry.
*Spoiler alert: it doesn't stop or reverse aging
I've been saying for years Al Jazeera should have run all day and all night with "AJA News" as their brand when they stood up their America division, and I feel like the extra dose of 'consider the source' handwringing going on is total vindication. Fact: for my money, they're running the best general-purpose cable news network and national news website going these days. Mike Ditka has the mental activity of a block of wood.
A quick personal note. From 5th grade to 8th grade I was prescribed and took HGH(6 shots a week at home) (my doctor worked at children's hospital in LA) the reason for me being prescribed HGH was that I was growing at an extremely slow (and I mean slow) pace. Hight wise I was one of the smallest kids in my class and I was near the bottom on the height percentile chart (which compares your height to other children of the same age). While taking it it seemed like I grew 2 shoe sizes every year (I now wear a 10.5 shoe) and my hands grew a bunch (I can now palm a basketball and fully wrap my hands around an iPhone 6+)
After taking it my height was slightly above average for my age (I am now 5'9 at 23yrs).
I can probably say that had I not taken HGH as a child (and just let my body grow on its own) I would still be below average height wise which I'm kind of glad I'm not.
After taking it my height was slightly above average for my age (I am now 5'9 at 23yrs).
I can probably say that had I not taken HGH as a child (and just let my body grow on its own) I would still be below average height wise which I'm kind of glad I'm not.
I'm surprised people haven't started self-experimenting with rapamcyin yet. Or at least, I haven't been hearing much about it.
I watched it last night. There's nothing for Manning to sue over, the documentary never says "Peyton Manning used HGH" it lets Sly tell that story and elaborates on that story. Sly could be full of shit, the amount of namedropping he does is excessive, but AJ's plant doesn't even seem to know of many of the people Sly mentions, so it comes off as more of him trying to entice a prospective customer based on the array of services he offers to high profile customers (and bragging in 2015 about having Ryan Howard as a client isn't such a remarkable boast) plus they get Teagarden on camera, which gives Sly's account validation.
I don't know that this all means Manning is guilty as Manning was Guyer's client, not Sly's, but the documentary certainly makes a case that it's worth looking into and if HGH was being prescribed and sent to his wife that is going to put Peyton in one hell of a spot. Roger should probably ask for Peyton's cell phone, at least.
I don't know that this all means Manning is guilty as Manning was Guyer's client, not Sly's, but the documentary certainly makes a case that it's worth looking into and if HGH was being prescribed and sent to his wife that is going to put Peyton in one hell of a spot. Roger should probably ask for Peyton's cell phone, at least.
Jeez where to start? I guess I'll give an example of the worst tragedy I witnessed - one of my best friends from childhood. After 15 years of steroid abuse the guy became an unrecognizable mess of a human being, to the point that when he eventually committed suicide it was generally viewed as a merciful end for both him and his family. I was also friends with Bill Romanowski before and after he became famous. Obviously not as horrific an ending as the first case, but the all-consuming anger and deteriorating mental condition of what was truly a good guy - was exactly the same and still leaves me shaking my head when I think about what was wasted. But I guess you could say that these weren't examples of responsible PED use. Kind of a trick question, and maybe my sarcasm meter is busted?
In any event, let's get back to bashing the media. It's more fun and we all seem to agree at how much they suck.
Not a trick question, just pointing out the difference between use and abuse. Sorry for your loss. Sincerely.
Darren Rovell @darrenrovell 25m25 minutes ago
New comments from Al-Jazeera investigative reporter Deborah Davies on Manning source Charlie Sly recanting story pic.twitter.com/A9is7i3VJ5
Alright, that's good enough for me. Good on AJ for putting that out there.
The likelihood of Manning announcing retirement after this season has got to have just gone up.
It should also give everyone more confidence in other claims made in the doc...when AJ makes a definitive statement, they've shown an ability to back it up.
I've got "On the advice of doctors, who fear permanent damage from continued attempts to play, Peyton Manning today tearfully announced his retirement from the NFL. Manning said it was a difficult choice, and only concerns about his family should he be injured led him to walk away from the game"
Really? I have to go out for a while and recorded Monday Night Countdown for scanning later. Can always erase it.
I happen to think Manning is guilty as sin. Now I'm very curious to see how far down the rabbit hole of lies he's willing to go.
To explain shipments of HGH in her name do we get a press conference with Manning and wife tearfully coming out with her having HIV from a charity appearance with Charlie Sheen gone wrong?
To explain shipments of HGH in her name do we get a press conference with Manning and wife tearfully coming out with her having HIV from a charity appearance with Charlie Sheen gone wrong?
Eh, ya never know. But ESPN.com and their Football section don't have anything. The NFL subreddit has nothing.
Bleacher Report has nothing.
Granted it is not a popular thread over there but there is this thread on the latest "news" on the AJ article.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/3ykqe5/aljazeera_investigative_reporter_deborah_davies/
Yahoo Sports has an article about Tom Brady supporting Peyton:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tom-brady-on-al-jazeera-report---i-fully-support--peyton-manning-131901456.html
Sporting News has it as their top story:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/tom-brady-on-al-jazeera-report---i-fully-support--peyton-manning-131901456.html
Sporting News has it as their top story:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl
There are two posts up about it on the NFL subreddit front page. One is the Brady support and the other is the Manning saying he is going to sue. Is there a master thread? No but saying the NFL subreddit has nothing is a bit misleading
Not entirely true. It's no longer given prominent space, but if you scroll down far enough, you get a link to Brady's comments and a video of Manning's denial.