Manning Legacy: Scrotal Recall

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I think you're probably right, but then again, there was no clear evidence in D'Gate, either. I understand the restrictions about reviewing the Guyer Institute's records and/or digging deeper into Sly's activities, but the Teagarden example turned into punishment, meanwhile Manning sent a couple of goons over to Sly's parents' house prior to the recantation, and then, "Voila!"... all one big misunderstanding.

I don't think the NFL tried too hard here.
 

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The league wants PEDs to be discussed about as much as it wants an hourly colonoscopy. I will say it here for about the bazillionth time......I am 99.9% positive that every single player in the league is taking PEDs of some nature. Steroids, HGH, various amphetamines, innaproriate prescription drugs, the whole deal. The league's PED policy is a sham.

And when I say every player I mean every player. Every Eagle, every Charger, every Patriot, everyone. Punters and kickers too. The growth in player sizes over the last 25 years, the rates of disease in retired players, the violent incidents........it is all better living through chemistry.

This wasn't about protecting Manning. This was about protecting the shield. And it was bullshit stacked on top of more bullshit.
 

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The league wants PEDs to be discussed about as much as it wants an hourly colonoscopy. I will say it here for about the bazillionth time......I am 99.9% positive that every single player in the league is taking PEDs of some nature. Steroids, HGH, various amphetamines, innaproriate prescription drugs, the whole deal. The league's PED policy is a sham.

And when I say every player I mean every player. Every Eagle, every Charger, every Patriot, everyone. Punters and kickers too. The growth in player sizes over the last 25 years, the rates of disease in retired players, the violent incidents........it is all better living through chemistry.

This wasn't about protecting Manning. This was about protecting the shield. And it was bullshit stacked on top of more bullshit.
Along as we all agree the 0.01% is, in fact, Tom Brady.
 

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"This was about protecting the shield."

IMO this was about enhancing Goodell's power. This was about the players bending the knee, kissing RG's ring, and consenting to whatever the Commish wanted. The players kissed the ring, the Lord of the NFL showed mercy.

There was no real investigation. Sly recanted, and Peyton's goons ransacked the Guyer House of Drugs. .
 

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"This was about protecting the shield."

IMO this was about enhancing Goodell's power. This was about the players bending the knee, kissing RG's ring, and consenting to whatever the Commish wanted. The players kissed the ring, the Lord of the NFL showed mercy.

There was no real investigation. Sly recanted, and Peyton's goons ransacked the Guyer House of Drugs. .
No. Yambag is 100% right.
 

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No. Yambag is 100% right.
It's both, right? The league doesn't have any interest in making PEDs a bigger story, but they could have exonerated the other four guys at the same time they exonerated Manning and just had the thing go away. Instead they threatened to suspend the players unless they came to New York and bent the knee. That part was about power.
 

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No. Yambag is 100% right.
He was partly right, but incomplete.
The NFL just spent $5 million or more reaffirming Goodell's power under the CBA to rule as he sees fit. And he won, the Appeals Ct affirmed his right to be a fucking dictator.

Now he gets Manning etal PEDs to deal with. The NFL can't compel AJ to turn over the reporters notes, can't force Sly to re-recant his taped confessions, nor do they want to, there is no upside in constructing a case that can't be made. But the NFL has to talk to the NFL players named in the AJ story. Now if those guys stonewall him, he can claim non cooperation and suspend these guys, as he did to Brady. But he doesn't want to as there is no evidence, (Peyton's goons and Sly got paid off to STFU) and as Yammer notes, they want this thing to go away. But they can't let the players stonewall Goodell (bad precedent). So they show up swear they did nothing wrong. the NFL can claim they conducted an exhaustive investigation, and found no evidence of guilt, so there is no crime to punish. But more importantly RG's dictatorial power gained from the NFLPA and reaffirmed by the Brady case remains intact. Another win for Roger.
 

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It's both, right? The league doesn't have any interest in making PEDs a bigger story, but they could have exonerated the other four guys at the same time they exonerated Manning and just had the thing go away. Instead they threatened to suspend the players unless they came to New York and bent the knee. That part was about power.
I think this is correct. The NFL achieved two things in this PED "investigation". They flexed their muscles and had players bend to their will, and they wiped this PED controversy off the face of the earth. Well done, Rog.
 

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I think this is correct. The NFL achieved two things in this PED "investigation". They flexed their muscles and had players bend to their will, and they wiped this PED controversy off the face of the earth. Well done, Rog.
Right.

Its amazing how different this stuff was from the DFG stuff - no leaks, no posturing, no drawn out processes. They wanted this to just disappear (because actually investigating these guys does nobody any good), and it did. And Rog managed to reaffirm his authority in the process.

Everything is about image - and it's better for the shield that Peyton remain 'clean' than that they catch the other 4.
 

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Man I would just love to see a wikileaks exposure of the NFL management, owners and front offices... I can not imagine the carnage that would cause and frankly I'd love to see it. Give us everything from the Spygate tape destruction all the way up, full transparency, let it rip - it would be amazing. The biggest question is what the sport would look like post wikigate.
 

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I think this is correct. The NFL achieved two things in this PED "investigation". They flexed their muscles and had players bend to their will, and they wiped this PED controversy off the face of the earth. Well done, Rog.
The owners can also point to it as Goodell being fair with the players.
He listened and didn't unfairly punish them. No need for a neutral arbitrator.
 

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Via Ryan Wood of the Green Bay Press-Gazette, Matthews said he was troubled by the fact it became a league-union power struggle, one which his side lost in a rout.

“That’s why we stuck strong with the PA in regards to this,” Matthews said. “Just because it sets a dangerous precedent. I think this is something that’ll come up within the next negotiations, CBA negotiations. It’s a very dangerous precedent.”

At the same time, Matthews said they weren’t prepared to be martyrs to the cause at the cost of being suspended from their teams.

“We weren’t ready to fall on the knife for something we’ve maintained our innocence about,” Matthews said. “Obviously, the interview proved that [we were innocent]. It’s exactly that. Especially with the regular season starting, yeah, it’s good to get all that behind us and focused on the regular season starting with Jacksonville next week.”
That right there is why the Union will lose at the next round
 

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Because most remote employees aren't unionized so it's not a good comparison.
Even those that do - don't have specifically bargained for processes for PED investigations. The NFLPA bargained for specific classes of evidence - positive tests, legal convictions, or sufficient positive evidence.

The policy specifically states that the NFL has the burden of proof in this case, and that the players have no obligations until that burden of proof has been satisfied.

This is Goodell saying "I don't give a shit what the CBA says - Article 46"

Here is what is considered acceptable evidence: As used in this Policy, sufficient credible evidence includes but is not limited to: criminal convictions or plea arrangements; admissions, declarations, affidavits, authenticated witness statements, corroborated law enforcement reports or testimony in legal proceedings; authenticated banking, telephone, medical or pharmacy records; or credible information obtained from Players who provide assistance pursuant to Section 10 of the Policy.
 

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Why bother defining anything when you allow the "includes but is not limited to" language?
 

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Because most remote employees aren't unionized so it's not a good comparison.
While you are correct on this, to me this event hits on the language in the CBA, either through the PED language or article 46.

Look at this another way....Goodell calls these guys in and it is post-Deflategate flexing. if he doesn't call them in would that not be "why the hell can these guys smear the league and Goodell doesn't do anything, but he goes after Brady?"

Personally I am frustrated they the league did a sham investigation on PEDs.....again. The calling the guys in after making headlines was just procedural.
 

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While you are correct on this, to me this event hits on the language in the CBA, either through the PED language or article 46.

Look at this another way....Goodell calls these guys in and it is post-Deflategate flexing. if he doesn't call them in would that not be "why the hell can these guys smear the league and Goodell doesn't do anything, but he goes after Brady?"

Personally I am frustrated they the league did a sham investigation on PEDs.....again. The calling the guys in after making headlines was just procedural.
Yep, I feel the same way. It's precisely a procedural thing to look "tough" on PED's. It's all bullshit.