I read a couple of reports that he was told Wednesday.LVG didn't seem like a man who knew he was definitively out of a job after the match.
Pretty classless way to handle this situation. Let the man enjoy his cup for a day at least. And don't let him find out about a sacking through the media.
This seems like the worst possible moment to hire Mourinho. They'll ship out all the promising academy products and spend £300 million on Mendes clients only to have their asses kicked by Guardiola's City for two years followed by the inevitable 3rd year Mourinho implosion.
I'm sure United fans won't care about any of that as long as they get the exciting attacking style of football that Jose is known for.
I'm more a fan of Mourinho than I am of United but I have to think this latest spell off has been a wake up call. He doesn't want to leave England. His family is embedded in the country now. His relationship with Sir Alex has been well documented. The players that buy in to Jose will run through walls for the man. If Zlatan isn't in a United shirt by the start of camp it would be a miracle in my eyes. People say he's always shipped out youth and gone for the short term, but take a look at the owners and boards he's worked for. Roman, Madrid aren't waiting for you to develop youth. You win now, multiple pieces of silverware or you're shown the door. Maybe it'll be more of the same. Jose seems the type who want's to settle down at his age. Or maybe it's me hoping he does. United seems the perfect fit though if that's what he's looking to do. I could see him at Old Trafford for a long time if he brings his antics in the press down a notch. He'll bring back a far more interesting brand of football for the fans at the least. And if it's 3 and out I have to think they will at the least be contenders. Where this leaves Giggs is beyond me. I'm of the opinion he need's to go out and actually run a club before being handed the reigns at United any how.
The "park the bus" thing is very much a typecast. Sure it helps in Europe at times. And he's been known to do it to secure a result. But those same teams have been lethal on counter attacks. Real under Jose could counter like few teams I have ever seen. He expects defensive responsibility, and to his credit really knows how to organize a defense. But if he has the players capable he will play attacking football.I think Jose gets typecast as the park the bus guy because he has used that successfully in a few higher profile games and because he doesn't follow the "possession" orthodoxy. I think he's got some great tools in place to make United a scary counter attacking side.
Chelsea the first time. He built a good enough team that they could win on autopilot. They nearly won the Champions League with Avram Grant as manager (last seen in England getting West Ham relegated).But has he ever left a club better off than when he came in? I don't think so. Either way it will be entertaining.
I like the cut of your jib. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?This seems like the worst possible moment to hire Mourinho. They'll ship out all the promising academy products and spend £300 million on Mendes clients only to have their asses kicked by Guardiola's City for two years followed by the inevitable 3rd year Mourinho implosion.
I'm sure United fans won't care about any of that as long as they get the exciting attacking style of football that Jose is known for.
At the end of the day, money and wages are still king. How did a club like City manage to bring in the likes of Yaya? By offering him a shitload of money.I like the cut of your jib. Can I subscribe to your newsletter?
Regardless of how you feel about Mourinhos potential for success at United, which I think is low for team composition reasons, I'm amazed by that teams ability to still attract top names. Logic says that a team that has been out of CL for years with massive debt shouldn't be able to bring in stars. Which was more or less starting to happen. But now they get to save themselves at least temporarily with Jose.
With Mourinho you take the good and the bad together. He'll give United a real shot at reclaiming the league, and perhaps even going deep into the CL knockouts, in the next 2-3 years. That alone makes him a worthwhile gamble given the last three years and the need for United to reassert itself as one of the world's biggest clubs. But expecting Jose to have heard a "wake up call" and wanting to "settle down" is a pipe dream. The man thrives on conflict and controversy, quite possibly has some variation of narcissistic personality disorder, and simply cannot handle failure without lashing out and blaming others.I'm more a fan of Mourinho than I am of United but I have to think this latest spell off has been a wake up call. He doesn't want to leave England. His family is embedded in the country now. His relationship with Sir Alex has been well documented. The players that buy in to Jose will run through walls for the man. If Zlatan isn't in a United shirt by the start of camp it would be a miracle in my eyes. People say he's always shipped out youth and gone for the short term, but take a look at the owners and boards he's worked for. Roman, Madrid aren't waiting for you to develop youth. You win now, multiple pieces of silverware or you're shown the door. Maybe it'll be more of the same. Jose seems the type who want's to settle down at his age. Or maybe it's me hoping he does. United seems the perfect fit though if that's what he's looking to do. I could see him at Old Trafford for a long time if he brings his antics in the press down a notch. He'll bring back a far more interesting brand of football for the fans at the least. And if it's 3 and out I have to think they will at the least be contenders. Where this leaves Giggs is beyond me. I'm of the opinion he need's to go out and actually run a club before being handed the reigns at United any how.
Oh I know, and I know the debt isn't overly meaningful because of the income. There was just such justice watching clubs like Liverpool and United get squeezed out by the very FFP rules they worked so hard to implement. Only both of them have more or less gotten a stay of execution through big name managerial hires. If Liverpool hadn't gotten Klopp is there any doubt that there'd be 0 discussion of a player like Gotze going there? I struggle to say the same about Zlatan and United because they really have been the home of misfit toys the last few seasons and have at least paid their way to get someone every year, even if it ended up not working out. You look at where this United team was under Moyes and things could have gotten really, really ugly. If De Gea had been sold they still might have gotten there under LVG. Only now they somehow managed to get Mourinho to rock up there and he'll use his Mendes connection to route a bunch of better players through OT who would otherwise never go there, offering them hope when they otherwise would have had very little. You can always get a player like Yaya with money but it tends to be hard to get a bunch of players that way, as the last few seasons at OT have shown.At the end of the day, money and wages are still king. How did a club like City manage to bring in the likes of Yaya? By offering him a shitload of money.
United's debt problems are not that meaningful. Despite their struggles on the pitch in the last few years, they have become a money printing machine. I think they'll still lose out recruiting players when going directly head-to-head with the few clubs that can match them on wages (City, Barca, Real, PSG). But the wages they can offer everybody will still be a huge draw. By many accounts, they're about to sign Ibra (which I have some serious doubts about but thats another matter), largely because they're the only club that both wants him and can afford to pay him. Di Maria was basically the same story, as was Falcao.
Don't forget, that team was a Champions League semifinalist and finished 2nd in the league under Ranieri the year before Jose got there. Not to take away from the job he did winning the league, but they were on the verge of a big breakthrough with or without him.Chelsea the first time. He built a good enough team that they could win on autopilot. They nearly won the Champions League with Avram Grant as manager (last seen in England getting West Ham relegated).
He took over a good side, but Mourinho turned over nearly the entire squad about as quickly as he could. He replaced at least half of the key players on the 03-04 team immediately: Bridge, Gronkjear, Hasselbaink, Mutu, Geremi, Melchiot, and Cudicini all started at least half the league games in 03-04 and were in the top 11 in league starts, and all were either immediately sold or demoted by Mourinho. By 06/07, Lampard, Terry, and Makelele (in his last season) were the only remaining starters from the pre-Mourinho era (Bridge, Geremi, and Joe Cole were still hanging around as squad players). The team that nearly won the CL in 2008 and won the PL in 2010 was mostly comprised of players Mourinho brought in.Don't forget, that team was a Champions League semifinalist and finished 2nd in the league under Ranieri the year before Jose got there. Not to take away from the job he did winning the league, but they were on the verge of a big breakthrough with or without him.
In Spring semester 1993, I wrote a term paper about Rupert Murdoch for a class about journalism's role in society. After laying out all the ways he'd laid waste to journalism, first in Australia, then on Fleet Street, and then with the New York Post, I concluded on an upbeat note. I wrote about how I hoped he would see that journalism played an important role in public life, that it was more than a way to make money off sensationalism, and that Murdoch could see the benefits he could provide society. I got an A on the paper, but the professor wrote "I DOUBT IT" in red ink at the bottom of the page, and three years later he was proved right when Murdoch started Fox News Channel.I'm more a fan of Mourinho than I am of United but I have to think this latest spell off has been a wake up call. He doesn't want to leave England. His family is embedded in the country now. His relationship with Sir Alex has been well documented. The players that buy in to Jose will run through walls for the man. If Zlatan isn't in a United shirt by the start of camp it would be a miracle in my eyes. People say he's always shipped out youth and gone for the short term, but take a look at the owners and boards he's worked for. Roman, Madrid aren't waiting for you to develop youth. You win now, multiple pieces of silverware or you're shown the door. Maybe it'll be more of the same. Jose seems the type who want's to settle down at his age. Or maybe it's me hoping he does. United seems the perfect fit though if that's what he's looking to do. I could see him at Old Trafford for a long time if he brings his antics in the press down a notch. He'll bring back a far more interesting brand of football for the fans at the least. And if it's 3 and out I have to think they will at the least be contenders. Where this leaves Giggs is beyond me. I'm of the opinion he need's to go out and actually run a club before being handed the reigns at United any how.
In Spring semester 1993, I wrote a term paper about Rupert Murdoch for a class about journalism's role in society. After laying out all the ways he'd laid waste to journalism, first in Australia, then on Fleet Street, and then with the New York Post, I concluded on an upbeat note. I wrote about how I hoped he would see that journalism played an important role in public life, that it was more than a way to make money off sensationalism, and that Murdoch could see the benefits he could provide society. I got an A on the paper, but the professor wrote "I DOUBT IT" in red ink at the bottom of the page, and three years later he was proved right when Murdoch started Fox News Channel.
All of this is to say that I know wishcasting from personal experience. And you've got a lot of it going on in this post.
Of course he would...but I'd rein in the expectations on both. I personally don't see Lingaard as anything special. Rashford has looked great but let's see what happens when teams know what to look out for.Thanks for the replies folks.
One more question, if Rashford and Lindgaard go onto great things, as most "experts" I've read seem to expect, will Van Gaal get the credit he deserves for giving them a chance? Maybe in a few years, his reign won't be looked at so badly, if the players he brought in/blooded turn out to be "Stars", right?
In Spring semester 1993, I wrote a term paper about Rupert Murdoch for a class about journalism's role in society. After laying out all the ways he'd laid waste to journalism, first in Australia, then on Fleet Street, and then with the New York Post, I concluded on an upbeat note. I wrote about how I hoped he would see that journalism played an important role in public life, that it was more than a way to make money off sensationalism, and that Murdoch could see the benefits he could provide society. I got an A on the paper, but the professor wrote "I DOUBT IT" in red ink at the bottom of the page, and three years later he was proved right when Murdoch started Fox News Channel.
All of this is to say that I know wishcasting from personal experience. And you've got a lot of it going on in this post.
A little presumptive maybe, seeing as he hasn't signed yet, but it's being reported that one of the stumbling blocks for Jose is...image rights. That's right...Chelsea hold the intellectual property rights on his name and have done since 2005. Doesn't this just say everything about football in the current age?
Here's a link to the Jose Mourinho products that Chelsea own the rights to. Now then, I need to get rid of the horrible taste I have from coming into this forum...where did I leave my Jose Mourinho non-medicated mouth wash?
https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/4/EU004365755
If I don't see a Chelsea or ManU crest while Jose tries to sell me on a shaving gel, why would I want to buy it?Doesn't this just say everything about football in the current age?
A little presumptive maybe, seeing as he hasn't signed yet, but it's being reported that one of the stumbling blocks for Jose is...image rights. That's right...Chelsea hold the intellectual property rights on his name and have done since 2005. Doesn't this just say everything about football in the current age?
Here's a link to the Jose Mourinho products that Chelsea own the rights to. Now then, I need to get rid of the horrible taste I have from coming into this forum...where did I leave my Jose Mourinho non-medicated mouth wash?
https://www.ipo.gov.uk/tmcase/Results/4/EU004365755
Zlatan Ibrahimovic has agreed to provisional terms with Manchester United and will complete his move to Old Trafford after Euro 2016, sources close to the deal have told ESPN FC.