I hope Girardi gets the Philly job. He'll do a good work there and I think the fans will like him.
Managing Carousel 2019
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Looks like Ross to the Cubs is official
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1187008844842573824
View: https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1187008844842573824
As long as it doesn't mean the Mets then hire Beltran, would be nice if he stayed in the Bronx one more season at least.
Yeah, I'm torn on that. I'd love to see Beltran continue working with the Yankees, but I know he's going to manage sooner rather than later and look forward to seeing that too. Since I don't think Boone is going anywhere for a while, I doubt it will be with the Yankees.
I hope he can do better than going to the tire fire Mets, but I'm not sure he wants to.
Good for him. my 2nd favorite member of the Cubs 25
Catchers should in theory be good managers since they act like defensive coordinators, if you will, with calling pitches, and they see the whole field. Torre was a catcher, for example.
Thought he would have been a good match in Chicago as a former Cubbie. Wasn't he considered for the job prior to Joe Maddon? Girardi is well respected and hope he does well.
My theory in April that Beltran was Yankee Manager In Waiting went south in a hurry. Boone really improved this year, and settled in. From 100 to 103 wins is no big deal but he seemed more confident. He listened to his critics.
David Ross can probably thank Boone for paving his road to the Cubs job. From ESPN to the bench.
Beltran was definitely hired partly as Yankee manager in waiting, but as you say, Boone seemed to grow by leaps and bounds starting in maybe May or so. I feel much more confident with him going forward than I did last winter, even the odd moves in the final game or two I chalk up to my not knowing all the details of people's health situations more than his incompetence.
So he's likely not going to be the Yankee manager anytime soon, but selfishly I hope the Mets pick someone else. Beltran has said he only wants the Mets job, he doesn't want to move his family again, so if the Mets pick someone else, he will stay in the Yankee front office another season:
"If Carlos Beltran is managing anywhere next year, it’s going to be with the Mets.
Beltran said Sunday he is all-in on the Mets’ job and has turned down interview requests from both the Padres and Cubs.
“I just feel like living in New York is the right fit for me,’’ Beltran said."
https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/carlos-beltran-wants-to-manage-only-the-mets/
So he's likely not going to be the Yankee manager anytime soon, but selfishly I hope the Mets pick someone else. Beltran has said he only wants the Mets job, he doesn't want to move his family again, so if the Mets pick someone else, he will stay in the Yankee front office another season:
"If Carlos Beltran is managing anywhere next year, it’s going to be with the Mets.
Beltran said Sunday he is all-in on the Mets’ job and has turned down interview requests from both the Padres and Cubs.
“I just feel like living in New York is the right fit for me,’’ Beltran said."
https://nypost.com/2019/10/13/carlos-beltran-wants-to-manage-only-the-mets/
Beltran as manager should be the easiest decision this organization has made in years. Watch them screw it up with a lowball offer or something.
Well, on the positive side, if Beltran gets hired by the Mets, he'll get some valuable experience and will still likely be living in town when and if Boone gets fired in a year or three.
He'll be an even better candidate for the Yankees then.
But still, the Brodie Bunch looks dysfunctional. I can't imagine that will be a great environment to learn on the job.
He'll be an even better candidate for the Yankees then.
But still, the Brodie Bunch looks dysfunctional. I can't imagine that will be a great environment to learn on the job.
I think Eduardo Perez is a strong candidate there also, and they could decide they don't want Girardi managing the rival Phillies and try to jump on him preemptively.
That Jomboy guy on Twitter is reporting Girardi to the Phillies is a done deal, he has some credibility and I'm guessing is right.
View: https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1187214695104733185
View: https://twitter.com/Jomboy_/status/1187214695104733185
Off-Season Managerial Hires:
Angels: Joe Maddon
Phillies: Joe Girardi
Cubs: David Ross
Padres: Jayce Tingler
On the clock:
Giants:
Mets:
Pirates:
Royals:
I like the first three hires a lot, the piece on the Tingler hire in The Athletic made it seem like he is an impressive person with a wide range of skills, but Preller can't afford to whiff on another first-time hire and SD might be better off with a veteran guy for their personnel.
Also maybe Buck Showalter can still get one of the non-three Mets openings, he might have a few good years left but after listening to him a lot down the stretch on the Yankees, not surprised only the Phillies have had rumored interest so far.
Tim Bogar also has some heat for the Mets job, unless that is actually Brodie-code for Tim Tebow (wild card, bitches!).
Angels: Joe Maddon
Phillies: Joe Girardi
Cubs: David Ross
Padres: Jayce Tingler
On the clock:
Giants:
Mets:
Pirates:
Royals:
I like the first three hires a lot, the piece on the Tingler hire in The Athletic made it seem like he is an impressive person with a wide range of skills, but Preller can't afford to whiff on another first-time hire and SD might be better off with a veteran guy for their personnel.
Also maybe Buck Showalter can still get one of the non-three Mets openings, he might have a few good years left but after listening to him a lot down the stretch on the Yankees, not surprised only the Phillies have had rumored interest so far.
Tim Bogar also has some heat for the Mets job, unless that is actually Brodie-code for Tim Tebow (wild card, bitches!).
“The Giants are moving on to the next phase of their search for a new manager, and third base coach Ron Wotus has been informed that he is no longer under consideration for the position, according to a tweet from Andrew Baggarly of The Athletic (link).
Recent updates on San Francisco’s hiring process included word of Astros bench coach Joe Espada receiving a second interview on Thursday. Aside from Wotus, who has coached with San Francisco since 1998, the team is said to have held interviews with Royals quality control coach Pedro Grifol, former Phillies manager Gabe Kapler, Athletics quality control coach Mark Kotsay, Giants bench coach Hensley Meulens, Rays bench coach Matt Quatraro, Cubs first base coach Will Venable, and Espada. It stands to reason that more candidates are due to be removed from consideration in the club’s “next phase”.”
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/latest-on-giants-manager-search-2.html
Recent updates on San Francisco’s hiring process included word of Astros bench coach Joe Espada receiving a second interview on Thursday. Aside from Wotus, who has coached with San Francisco since 1998, the team is said to have held interviews with Royals quality control coach Pedro Grifol, former Phillies manager Gabe Kapler, Athletics quality control coach Mark Kotsay, Giants bench coach Hensley Meulens, Rays bench coach Matt Quatraro, Cubs first base coach Will Venable, and Espada. It stands to reason that more candidates are due to be removed from consideration in the club’s “next phase”.”
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/10/latest-on-giants-manager-search-2.html
Seeing all the names interviewed for these openings, I feel like Sandy Alomar Jr can now be added to the list of guys who have been "Chamblissed". He was a leading candidate to be Toronto's manager after the 2010 season and I think was considered for that job again two years later. He also interviewed after the 2011 season with the Cubs and Red Sox and made the Diamondbacks shortlist after 2014. The only reason he didn't get the job in Cleveland after managing the last 6 games of the 2012 season was that Terry Francona campaigned for the opening and the team was more interested in winning now than rebuilding. With Francona now signed through 2022, it seems unlikely Alomar is still hanging around to be his heir apparent. I don't know a lot about his personal penchant for analytics, but he's been employed by a team that's considered to be strongly influenced by them, and he's been a first base coach the past six years because of his reputation as one of the best in the game at reading pitchers (pitch tipping, moves to first, etc), but apparently his promise as a managerial prospect has busted.
I wish him well, but questionable ownership, a second year GM with nothing other than sports agent on his resume and a first year manager with no coaching/managerial experience under his belt doesn't seem to be the best recipe for success.
With the three new job openings, time to bump this thread again...
Mets are supposedly down to three candidates, all internal, quality control coach Luis Rojas, bench coach Hensley Meulens and first base coach Tony DeFrancesco.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/mets-reportedly-down-to-3-managerial-candidates.html
Mets are supposedly down to three candidates, all internal, quality control coach Luis Rojas, bench coach Hensley Meulens and first base coach Tony DeFrancesco.
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/01/mets-reportedly-down-to-3-managerial-candidates.html
I think teams sometimes make up titles to get the guys they want on staff, Rojas seems like a strong candidate. Someone asked today on Twitter if his last name was Alou (he is Felipe's son) would he already have the job?
"Luis Rojas received strong consideration within the organization when he reached the final stages of the interview process a few months ago, according to an industry source. He is again being regarded as someone who could lead the team in 2020.
Rojas, 38, has spent 14 seasons with the organization, including eight as a manager at the minor league level. Last year was his first full season on a major league coaching staff, serving as the Mets’ first-ever quality-control coach.
Formally, he was a liaison between the Mets front office and field staff, bringing information to the manager that could be implemented during games. He also spent hours pouring over ways to help infielders like J.D. Davis, Jeff McNeil and Dominic Smith become familiar with transitioning to the outfield. Rojas is analytically savvy and falls in line with baseball’s modern approach of hiring younger managers.
He is the son of Felipe Alou, brother of Moises and nephew of Matty and Jesus. Felipe managed the Giants and Expos, Moises was a six-time All-Star who finished his career with the Mets, and Matty and Jesus were both longtime National League outfielders. Being a member of the prominent Alou baseball family makes Rojas’ potential transition to major league manager seem inescapable.
Whether or not the Mets believe the 38-year-old Rojas is ready for that undertaking is still up for debate. Rojas has Omar Minaya in his corner, according to a source. And if Van Wagenen picked the last manager in Beltran, then maybe Minaya, a special assistant to the GM, deserves a louder voice this time."
https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-luis-rojas-mets-manager-20200121-5v3exvqnazcufjnrrtjaowlyem-story.html
Sounds like a good hire. He reminds me a lot of the Rays new AAA manager, Brady Williams (son of Jimy Williams). It’s more of a football coach phenotype—turn to coaching in your early 20’s and spend 15 years working your way up the coaching ranks.
With none other than Dusty Baker now rumored to be taking over the Astors' job, I thought I'd bring back an oldie but a goodie, just like him:
“I think walks are overrated unless you can run… If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps. But the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time they’re clogging up the bases for somebody who can run.”
“It’s called hitting, and it ain’t called walking. Do you ever see the top 10 walking? You see top 10 batting average. A lot of those top 10 do walk. But the name of the game is to hit.”
“Sooner or later, somebody is going to get hurt, and then they are going to blow it all out of proportion… But go back and look at the overall picture. For a guy who is supposed to have run pitchers into the ground, look around and see our track record of how healthy our pitchers have stayed. Who has had healthier pitchers?”
“You are damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But you can’t take away the fact that I’ve won. For the people who aren’t down here doing our job, it’s easy to sit up there and type the stuff over the computer. They say, ‘Don’t stick with your starters as long,’ but when you bring in this guy or that guy, it’s ‘Why did you bring him in?'”
“It depends where he is in the order… If he’s in the top one or two, the most important stat is runs scored and on-base percentage. For your third, fourth and fifth hitter, it’s RBIs and runs scored. And runners in scoring position, what your average is.
“Then, you hope again your seventh hitter is a good clutch man and drives in more than he scores. Your eighth hitter, you hope he drives in some key runs and scores fewer runs than he drives in. That’s the guy where you need a higher on-base percentage because he gets the pitcher to the plate. That’s my little-basics stuff.”
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Sounds like a match made in heaven between him and that front office. What could possibly go wrong?
“I think walks are overrated unless you can run… If you get a walk and put the pitcher in a stretch, that helps. But the guy who walks and can’t run, most of the time they’re clogging up the bases for somebody who can run.”
“It’s called hitting, and it ain’t called walking. Do you ever see the top 10 walking? You see top 10 batting average. A lot of those top 10 do walk. But the name of the game is to hit.”
“Sooner or later, somebody is going to get hurt, and then they are going to blow it all out of proportion… But go back and look at the overall picture. For a guy who is supposed to have run pitchers into the ground, look around and see our track record of how healthy our pitchers have stayed. Who has had healthier pitchers?”
“You are damned if you do, damned if you don’t. But you can’t take away the fact that I’ve won. For the people who aren’t down here doing our job, it’s easy to sit up there and type the stuff over the computer. They say, ‘Don’t stick with your starters as long,’ but when you bring in this guy or that guy, it’s ‘Why did you bring him in?'”
“It depends where he is in the order… If he’s in the top one or two, the most important stat is runs scored and on-base percentage. For your third, fourth and fifth hitter, it’s RBIs and runs scored. And runners in scoring position, what your average is.
“Then, you hope again your seventh hitter is a good clutch man and drives in more than he scores. Your eighth hitter, you hope he drives in some key runs and scores fewer runs than he drives in. That’s the guy where you need a higher on-base percentage because he gets the pitcher to the plate. That’s my little-basics stuff.”
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Sounds like a match made in heaven between him and that front office. What could possibly go wrong?
Sounds like he should only manage one year but Houston may be overusing him.
I don't get this. You don't think the Astros went over how they want him to interact with the front office in the job interview? Or you think he's going to go rogue?
Trotting out stuff from 2004 to dunk on Baker would be fine if he hadn't managed since 2004.
Between the (obviously non-binary in practice) alternatives of:
A) Dusty Baker has turned over a new leaf and now robustly adopts the implications of data analysis on everything from roster construction to lineups to pitching changes to season-long health management, or
B) Dusty Baker told a front office recently cleaned of its top management whatever they wanted to hear, and has charisma and Old Baseball Guy personality and they went with what felt like the safe hand,
... I know which of the two I would place money on.
A) Dusty Baker has turned over a new leaf and now robustly adopts the implications of data analysis on everything from roster construction to lineups to pitching changes to season-long health management, or
B) Dusty Baker told a front office recently cleaned of its top management whatever they wanted to hear, and has charisma and Old Baseball Guy personality and they went with what felt like the safe hand,
... I know which of the two I would place money on.