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This is the saddest thing I have read on SoSH in a long time. I feel genuinely bad for you, you’ve missed out on quite a lot the last 15 years.
Yeah I mean don't feel too bad for me. I've still enjoyed all of the highs and lows of the past 15 years, but just at an arms distance instead of hooked directly to an IV drip. It's also coincided with having kids and such, so I've got plenty of fulfillment.
 

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It was a great episode I thought. Moss and Strahan were both great - and it reminded me of how remarkable Moss’ 23 TDs were after his previous two seasons and all the stories of him being washed up and losing a step (which he acknowledges had a big impact on him). I also had never heard the hotel story about he and TB12 before.

I was at the game as well, and I have two vivid memories from fan interactions. Pre-game, we were talking with a family in our hotel parking lot who were Giants fans. They were super friendly and nice and had a “you’re going to win but this is awesome” attitude. As I talked to the Dad, he askedhow I thought it would play out, and I wanted to eat my words a moment after they came out. “We’re going to put up 30, and I just don’t see how Eli can keep pace in a 2nd game in a month against a Belichick D.”

The second interaction was right as the game ended. My feeling was also “numb”, and I don’t think any of us spoke for a good hour. As we left, a liquored up Giants fan got right in my face and just screamed — I did nothing. He did the same to my sister, who shoved him hard and screamed “get the fuck away from me!”

I get some of the sentiment in here — and seeing the Harrison and Asante drops coupled with the non-sack/holds is just the ultimate “what-if”, but after the last 15 years I really could care less. It doesn’t faze me at all — we’re way too spoiled.
 

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Yeah I mean don't feel too bad for me. I've still enjoyed all of the highs and lows of the past 15 years, but just at an arms distance instead of hooked directly to an IV drip. It's also coincided with having kids and such, so I've got plenty of fulfillment.
Yeah, I don’t mean it to be snarky. I genuinely live and die with all the Boston sports teams still at age 46 with kids, living 3000 miles away, and I fucking love it. I just am really good at nor caring about the bad stuff anymore. Honestly, it was more 2004 than anything — that was the giant weight off my back as a Boston fan.
 

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It was a great episode I thought. Moss and Strahan were both great - and it reminded me of how remarkable Moss’ 23 TDs were after his previous two seasons and all the stories of him being washed up and losing a step (which he acknowledges had a big impact on him). I also had never heard the hotel story about he and TB12 before.

I was at the game as well, and I have two vivid memories from fan interactions. Pre-game, we were talking with a family in our hotel parking lot who were Giants fans. They were super friendly and nice and had a “you’re going to win but this is awesome” attitude. As I talked to the Dad, he askedhow I thought it would play out, and I wanted to eat my words a moment after they came out. “We’re going to put up 30, and I just don’t see how Eli can keep pace in a 2nd game in a month against a Belichick D.”

The second interaction was right as the game ended. My feeling was also “numb”, and I don’t think any of us spoke for a good hour. As we left, a liquored up Giants fan got right in my face and just screamed — I did nothing. He did the same to my sister, who shoved him hard and screamed “get the fuck away from me!”

I get some of the sentiment in here — and seeing the Harrison and Asante drops coupled with the non-sack/holds is just the ultimate “what-if”, but after the last 15 years I really could care less. It doesn’t faze me at all — we’re way too spoiled.
Titanic, unsolicited assholery from Giants fans in the immediate aftermath of the game - I experienced some as well despite not even being at the game - seems to be a common theme.
 

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Some memories from that time. I was on a fellowship in Manhattan and got to stay in a very nice condo complete with a doorman, a Giants fan. On my last day (the day before the SB) as let me off the elevator for the final time he told me it should be a good game. "Haha should it?" I replied. And, immediately regretted it.

Back in Boston for the game, I was lving in a Beacon Hill apt right above two Med students who were doing their residency at MGH. Both were from New York. They had like 15 people over for the game and if you know Beacon Hill apartments you know there's nothing between you and your neighbors. It felt like they were in my apt. as they cheered on their Giants. When the Pats scored to go ahead late I remember thinking there was too much time left and yet it didn't matter. I stomped around in celebration letting out all the frustration I'd had bottled up over the previous 3+ hours. This was something I never do. I always wait until the end.

The next day, I ran into one of them on the stairs and told her congratulations, she said for what? I said on the win. She said yeah it was very thrilling and the first time she'd ever seen a full NFL game. Sigh.
 

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Titanic, unsolicited assholery from Giants fans in the immediate aftermath of the game - I experienced some as well despite not even being at the game - seems to be a common theme.
Truthfully, I’ve always theorized that it was in part of them waiting 3+ years to get back at Boston sports fans after having their souls taken by the 2004 Red Sox. Like, this wasn’t Pats/Jets with the Parcells/BB history, it was Pats/Giants, 2 teams who never had any meaningful games prior to 2007 and hardly ever played each other outside of preseason.
 

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I went to the game with some buddies, the two of us coming from Boston had to fly to Vegas, we couldn't get a flight to Phoenix. So we flew to Vegas rented a car and drove. The drive there was the best, four hours through the desert with sports radio blaring, there was no way we were going to lose and it was going to be glorious. The day after the game we drove back through the desert, I don't think either of us said more than five words the whole way, and the radio was off. We had one night in Vegas before catching a flight home, which was supposed to be a celebratory night. Went to the tables for a while, but even that was torture as there were Giants fans everywhere. I even got into an argument with a woman at a blackjack table who was glad Tom Brady lost because Eli was "more moral" and "would never have a child out of wedlock." Fucking hell. That fucking game ruined a free night in Vegas for me with my best friend at a time when I had two kids under the age of 5. That's how bad that fucking game was.

Winning against the Seahawks in 2014 helped a ton, that was a giant relief. The two more after that have been gravy, I don't really think about 2007 that much anymore. But I don't know that I want to re-live it. Kudos to Brady for being willing to do it.
 

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Just to twist the knife a bit more, Eli fumbled on that last drive and somehow managed to recover it as he was wrapped up and being taken to the ground from behind. Nobody in the broadcast noticed, but it was a fumble.

I’m way over it personally, though. 2014 took the weight off my shoulders, then we won two more, including The Comeback. Win some, lose some. I’ve rewatched the entire last drive probably 5-10 times, just to try me best as a football fan. About the craziest drive you will ever see.
 

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Last night's episode was awesome, illuminating, and brutal, following up on last week's episode which had a similar vibe.

They should title this episode, "The Lean Years"

But I enjoyed it quite a bit.
 

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I found this episode a tougher watch than the last one and maybe it was the repeated reminders of how much talent those teams had and yet never won. Brutal is an apt term. That said, this series is fantastic and will be amongst my top ten for what was a pretty decent year in docuseries alone.
 

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I found this episode a tougher watch than the last one and maybe it was the repeated reminders of how much talent those teams had and yet never won. Brutal is an apt term. That said, this series is fantastic and will be amongst my top ten for what was a pretty decent year in docuseries alone.
That Welker missed catch will haunt me forever. It was such a shame and so sad for a bevy of reasons. It was RIGHT THERE. But he was twisted and couldn't hold on. They gave that play the attention and understanding it deserved. I feel so badly for Welker.
 

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That Welker missed catch will haunt me forever. It was such a shame and so sad for a bevy of reasons. It was RIGHT THERE. But he was twisted and couldn't hold on. They gave that play the attention and understanding it deserved. I feel so badly for Welker.
And he caught a thousand other passes, and frankly would have probably received the SB MVP for SB42. But David Tyree, who literally never caught another pass, is memorialized. And rightly or wrongly, Edelman has eclipsed him in the average fan’s memory.

It’s a series of tough breaks for Wes, reputationally, and it isn’t deserved.
 

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Yeah this episode is a bit of a requiem for how great Welker's career was. Agree with you all that its even tougher to watch when you consider how close he was to winning a few rings.
 

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And he caught a thousand other passes, and frankly would have probably received the SB MVP for SB42. But David Tyree, who literally never caught another pass, is memorialized. And rightly or wrongly, Edelman has eclipsed him in the average fan’s memory.

It’s a series of tough breaks for Wes, reputationally, and it isn’t deserved.
I was about to post something similar. I agree completely with this. He was a huge part of the offense for many years, but because of that one drop and since Giselle made her remark about it, he doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves. I haven't watched any of The Man In The Arena, so can't comment on it, but I would have hoped that Tom would have used the opportunity to say that he in no way agreed with his wife. I've often wondered who Tom would pick as his blankie for a one off game. Welker or Edelman?
 

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The montage of the fucking fumble luck in that game was a gut punch.

I also thought Bill O'Brien was great. Talking about his relationship with Brady, how he gave Tom a lot of say in the offense and scheme, and of course the sideline blowup in Washington. I think of BOB as the stooge at the end in Houston, but he was great in this.
 

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I was about to post something similar. I agree completely with this. He was a huge part of the offense for many years, but because of that one drop and since Giselle made her remark about it, he doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves. I haven't watched any of The Man In The Arena, so can't comment on it, but I would have hoped that Tom would have used the opportunity to say that he in no way agreed with his wife. I've often wondered who Tom would pick as his blankie for a one off game. Welker or Edelman?
Edelman and I bet it's not close.
 

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The montage of the fucking fumble luck in that game was a gut punch.

I also thought Bill O'Brien was great. Talking about his relationship with Brady, how he gave Tom a lot of say in the offense and scheme, and of course the sideline blowup in Washington. I think of BOB as the stooge at the end in Houston, but he was great in this.
BOB was a pretty solid coach who made the playoffs all the time, if not advancing in the playoffs. But he got a lot of wins.

However, BOB as a personnel manager and GM was a travesty who drafted poorly, made historically awful trades, and offended almost the entire team. He wanted to be Belichick. But nobody is Belichick.
 

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I was about to post something similar. I agree completely with this. He was a huge part of the offense for many years, but because of that one drop and since Giselle made her remark about it, he doesn't seem to get the recognition he deserves. I haven't watched any of The Man In The Arena, so can't comment on it, but I would have hoped that Tom would have used the opportunity to say that he in no way agreed with his wife. I've often wondered who Tom would pick as his blankie for a one off game. Welker or Edelman?
The Giselle comment is addressed in the episode - maybe we can discuss after more people have seen it but I think everyone involved handled it about as well as it could be handled.
 

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Can't wait to watch this. It's been a great series so far as much as I've been dreading these couple of episodes. It really does bring you back to those days in a way that maybe I've blocked out for some time, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. Those Patriot teams were so good.
 

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That’s hilarious!

(the reason I find it funny is it’s humorous reference to the time BFP hit Brady low and injured him, requiring his backup - at the time, Matt Cassel - to replace him.
Brady is so good at that stuff. He should have said something like "Matt's our cameraman now".

I need to watch this, just haven't had the time yet.
 

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That was a fantastic episode. As tough as the loss was, those teams were amazing, and they didn’t shy away from Hernandez clips which was interesting. If Gronk is healthy, they win that game going away. I also appreciated the Gisele commentary. It provided a lot of insight into where Tom was as a man in those days. These are really well made, and boy am I excited for the next one…
 

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That Welker missed catch will haunt me forever. It was such a shame and so sad for a bevy of reasons. It was RIGHT THERE. But he was twisted and couldn't hold on. They gave that play the attention and understanding it deserved. I feel so badly for Welker.
I took my Dad to this game — and we were at the 42 yard line about 25 rows back — what seemed like about 50 feet from where the drop happened. I immediately turned to him and said “we just lost the Superbowl”. It was such a bummer for so many reasons.

With that said, I looked up Welker’s numbers as a result of this episode — and have to say — I had forgotten how incredible he was:

Wes Welker
6 seasons
672 catches
7,459 yards
37 TDs

For perspective:

Julian Edelman
10 seasons
620 catches
6,822 yards
36 TDs

Obviously, both had some PR numbers and Jules11 was amazing in the postseason, but Welker is definitely underrated/forgotten to an extent in Patriots lore due to the fact that they didn’t win a SB with him.
 

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I took my Dad to this game — and we were at the 42 yard line about 25 rows back — what seemed like about 50 feet from where the drop happened. I immediately turned to him and said “we just lost the Superbowl”. It was such a bummer for so many reasons.

With that said, I looked up Welker’s numbers as a result of this episode — and have to say — I had forgotten how incredible he was:

Wes Welker
6 seasons
672 catches
7,459 yards
37 TDs

For perspective:

Julian Edelman
10 seasons
620 catches
6,822 yards
36 TDs

Obviously, both had some PR numbers and Jules11 was amazing in the postseason, but Welker is definitely underrated/forgotten to an extent in Patriots lore due to the fact that they didn’t win a SB with him.
It really is shocking, especially because Edelman was on the Pats for 12 seasons, not 10 (so, twice as many years as Welker). Granted Edelman lost one full year to a torn ACL (and big chunks of other years), but then we get to contrast that with Welker who tore his ACL in week 17 in 2009 and was back for week 1 in 2010 (and clearly spent the year recovering, it was by far his worst season with the Pats). 5 pro bowls and 2 all-pro appearances in his 6 seasons with the Pats, he was overshadowed first by Moss, then by the super bowl drop, then by Edelman. Looking at the NE all-time season leaders, he's got spots #1-5 in receptions. He's also got the #1 spot in yards and 3 of the top 5. He's at the very top of a list of Pats who played during the dynasty and didn't get a ring, along with Moss/Seau/Mankins.
 

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Loved this episode as well. Anything with Wilfork in it is going to be great and I loved they had Sherman in it. Both were excellent.
 

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I didn’t like how they skipped over the divisional game against the Ravens. That was a massively significant game and there are some theories that the ineligible receivers gambit kicked off the chain of events with the deflated footballs.
 

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I didn’t like how they skipped over the divisional game against the Ravens. That was a massively significant game and there are some theories that the ineligible receivers gambit kicked off the chain of events with the deflated footballs.
I was confused by that as well. Talk about a cornerstone game in the 20 years.
 

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I didn’t like how they skipped over the divisional game against the Ravens. That was a massively significant game and there are some theories that the ineligible receivers gambit kicked off the chain of events with the deflated footballs.
Agreed. Strange choice. And I hope the next episode goes the fuck off on deflategate.
 

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Watched 5 and 6 tonite.

Watching Goliath (4) and then 5 was hard. Yes we (Pats fans) have moved on and enjoyed another run of extraordinary success, but when you see these little things again and again that cost SB.

Still brings up memories. Like the Welker missed catch stirred more emotions than the Butler int.
But that is likely because ive watched the Butler int and the Sea sb way more times compared to the second Giants SB and Welker (ie never again). So the viewing is more raw.

Of course these little thinks are the Sea people watching saying run Lynch or Phl 1 saying dont throw the pick to Rodney. These games, ultimately, hinge a few plays. We have been lucky, to be well coached, qb’d, had strong D, and just a good amoubt of luck.

Tho if I could ‘trade’ a SB it would Carolina for NYG1.
 

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Narrative trade off I guess. Spend some time on Jimmy G and the ‘aging QB’ arc that the series needs to address. Plus some time on deflategate nonsense.
Truthfully this was a disappointing episode to me. Sherman was a meh addition. Vince was fun but they had trouble connecting his observations with the action.
That 14 season was so special. As much if not more than 2001. This episode didn’t match that gravity imo. I get that they are saving Jules for the next one for obvious reasons but Amendola would have been great here. Or Vereen. Danny could have helped weave the story of the Ravens rivalry and that amazing back and forth Divisional game.
Since you have to touch on deflategate how can you lose the Mona Lisa Vito line? I know the series is about TB but a bit of BB and some inside dynamic with the two of them through that BS would have been so great to hear about.
 

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Narrative trade off I guess. Spend some time on Jimmy G and the ‘aging QB’ arc that the series needs to address. Plus some time on deflategate nonsense.
Truthfully this was a disappointing episode to me. Sherman was a meh addition. Vince was fun but they had trouble connecting his observations with the action.
That 14 season was so special. As much if not more than 2001. This episode didn’t match that gravity imo. I get that they are saving Jules for the next one for obvious reasons but Amendola would have been great here. Or Vereen. Danny could have helped weave the story of the Ravens rivalry and that amazing back and forth Divisional game.
Since you have to touch on deflategate how can you lose the Mona Lisa Vito line? I know the series is about TB but a bit of BB and some inside dynamic with the two of them through that BS would have been so great to hear about.
Agree with this take, I was underwhelmed. That 2014 season was incredibly important for so many reasons and this episode failed to give it proper due.
 

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I took my Dad to this game — and we were at the 42 yard line about 25 rows back — what seemed like about 50 feet from where the drop happened. I immediately turned to him and said “we just lost the Superbowl”. It was such a bummer for so many reasons.

With that said, I looked up Welker’s numbers as a result of this episode — and have to say — I had forgotten how incredible he was:

Wes Welker
6 seasons
672 catches
7,459 yards
37 TDs

For perspective:

Julian Edelman
10 seasons
620 catches
6,822 yards
36 TDs
The seasons comparison isn't really apples-to-apples. Edelman was used pretty sparingly on offense in a back-up role for his first four years.

Since you have to touch on deflategate how can you lose the Mona Lisa Vito line? I know the series is about TB but a bit of BB and some inside dynamic with the two of them through that BS would have been so great to hear about.
Well, Belichick also told the media that they'd have to ask Brady about the ball preparation, so I can see why they didn't want to get into specifics.
 

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Skipping over that Ravens game is really crazy. It was one of the best games in NFL history.
It was also such an important game in terms of getting over the proverbial hump. After the Scottish Game, they got destroyed in 2009; laid an egg in 2010; came thisclose again in 2011; got beat by better (or healthier) teams in 2012 and 2013. Then it was the Ravens again, who had beaten them in 2009 and 2012 and almost in 2011. During that era / stretch, it always felt like Brady was trying a bit too hard, pressing a little bit - each year that went by they were further and further removed from their last title. He didn't play his best in the playoffs during those years. He had a couple awesome games - divisional wins against the Texans and Broncos come to mind - but he was off, generally speaking, in a lot of those games. So of course it was the Ravens who came to town, and went up 14-0 in the blink of an eye. At that point the vast majority of Pats Nation was all "here we go again". The Pats rallied, got it tied... then Brady throws a killer pick and the Ravens (benefiting from a semi-bogus PI call on Revis) score before the half, and score immediately after the half, and the Pats are down 14 points... again. That of course is when they called "Baltimore" and Raven, followed by the double pass, and the rest as they say is history. But it was that game that had me believing that they would finally win another title. Of course the Kearse catch flipped me back 180 degrees to not believing, but thankfully that feeling only lasted what, like 3 minutes in real time.
 

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It was also such an important game in terms of getting over the proverbial hump. After the Scottish Game, they got destroyed in 2009; laid an egg in 2010; came thisclose again in 2011; got beat by better (or healthier) teams in 2012 and 2013. Then it was the Ravens again, who had beaten them in 2009 and 2012 and almost in 2011. During that era / stretch, it always felt like Brady was trying a bit too hard, pressing a little bit - each year that went by they were further and further removed from their last title. He didn't play his best in the playoffs during those years. He had a couple awesome games - divisional wins against the Texans and Broncos come to mind - but he was off, generally speaking, in a lot of those games. So of course it was the Ravens who came to town, and went up 14-0 in the blink of an eye. At that point the vast majority of Pats Nation was all "here we go again". The Pats rallied, got it tied... then Brady throws a killer pick and the Ravens (benefiting from a semi-bogus PI call on Revis) score before the half, and score immediately after the half, and the Pats are down 14 points... again. That of course is when they called "Baltimore" and Raven, followed by the double pass, and the rest as they say is history. But it was that game that had me believing that they would finally win another title. Of course the Kearse catch flipped me back 180 degrees to not believing, but thankfully that feeling only lasted what, like 3 minutes in real time.
You said it quite well.

I know they have a lot of things to cover, but you just can't skip that Ravens game. It was epic.
 

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And, seriously, Ballghazi was one of the biggest bag jobs in the history of sports. What a pathetic job by every single person involved with that "investigation". Almost 7 years later, it's even more absurd.
 

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And, seriously, Ballghazi was one of the biggest bag jobs in the history of sports. What a pathetic job by every single person involved with that "investigation". Almost 7 years later, it's even more absurd.
If there is one sports documentary I want to see before I die, it is a thorough explanation of every single thing that happened. I would sign up for a 10 part, hour long each series on this in a heartbeat. It's all I want for Christmas, eternally.
 

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The seasons comparison isn't really apples-to-apples. Edelman was used pretty sparingly on offense in a back-up role for his first four years.
For sure, but it was more just pointing out that I had forgotten how prolific Welker was and that the SBs added so much to Edelman’s prestige.

Using their respective 6 best seasons:

Edelman
530 catches
~5800 yards
32 TDs

Welker
672 catches
7,459 yards
37 TDs

Again, add in JE11’s postseason and SB successes, and it makes sense why Welker is somewhat forgotten in relation. He was just superior to Edelman overall during his regular season time with the Patriots.
 

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Totally. Rings and recency bias have probably lifted up Edelman above Welker in our memories, but Welker did some amazing things.
 

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Watched 2011 and 2014 back to back today. Like most of you, I was shocked that they skipped the Ravens game. One of the enduring memories I have of Brady comes from that game. Just shy of the two minute warning both teams used a timeout and they show Brady throwing on the sideline with the sound system blaring The Outfield and everyone is singing along. I remember as I watched that game in real time, thinking that Brady looked old at that moment and this could be the last shot to get number 4. He looks tired and beat up as he is throwing on the sideline and that was one of loudest crowds I've ever heard at Gillette, like they were willing the team to victory. There seemed to be a desperation on the fans part, hell he was 36 and they had drafted his successor, nobody could've guessed how far he'd keep going. Of course they held on and then on to Deflategate and SB42.

As for 2011, I know this sounds weird but that loss hurt me more than 2007. I can't explain it, and I know it sounds ridiculous since 2007 was for immortality, but 2011 just killed me. Maybe it was because it had a deja vu element to it, but man it hurt. I've avoided SB 46 clips like the plague since that night, so I was seeing a lot of that game for the first time since the actual broadcast. It's hard to miss SB42 stuff, but other than the Manningham catch, you don't see a lot from that Super Bowl. Man, how they lost that game is still baffling. Of course with all of the success after that it made it much easier to watch.
 

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Watched 2011 and 2014 back to back today. Like most of you, I was shocked that they skipped the Ravens game. One of the enduring memories I have of Brady comes from that game. Just shy of the two minute warning both teams used a timeout and they show Brady throwing on the sideline with the sound system blaring The Outfield and everyone is singing along. I remember as I watched that game in real time, thinking that Brady looked old at that moment and this could be the last shot to get number 4. He looks tired and beat up as he is throwing on the sideline and that was one of loudest crowds I've ever heard at Gillette, like they were willing the team to victory. There seemed to be a desperation on the fans part, hell he was 36 and they had drafted his successor, nobody could've guessed how far he'd keep going. Of course they held on and then on to Deflategate and SB42.

As for 2011, I know this sounds weird but that loss hurt me more than 2007. I can't explain it, and I know it sounds ridiculous since 2007 was for immortality, but 2011 just killed me. Maybe it was because it had a deja vu element to it, but man it hurt. I've avoided SB 46 clips like the plague since that night, so I was seeing a lot of that game for the first time since the actual broadcast. It's hard to miss SB42 stuff, but other than the Manningham catch, you don't see a lot from that Super Bowl. Man, how they lost that game is still baffling. Of course with all of the success after that it made it much easier to watch.
SB46 was just a weird ass game. Started off with that stupid safety, which was an ominous sign. When Cruz scored and made it 9-0, I was pretty worried. Then they played some great ball and looked like things were going well after the murderer scored. But they couldn’t deliver the kill shot after the defense did its job and forced FGs. The INT to Gronk was a bad decision and obviously we all remember the Welker play. And then you have the Branch drop on the last drive and Gronk near Hail Mary deflection catch.

I just felt like SB42 cast a shadow over that game and everyone was just so tight because of it and wanting to win for Myra Kraft. The pain was that it felt like the perfect revenge story line but ended up being deja vu, which just intensified the pain. And given Brady’s age, you kind of had the feeling that could be it.

And then they followed it up with close calls in 2012/2013 and it REALLY felt dire. The 2014 win was just so damn sweet because of all of those close calls for a decade.
 

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I agree that 2011 hurts almost more in restrospect, especially since the Pats had that 17-9 lead and just couldn’t finish. They were. So. Damn. Close.
 

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Again, haven't seen the series yet, but was at that Ravens game and, amidst a ton of memorable Sox and Pats games I have been at in the last 20 years (Sox season ticket holder since 2000, my Dad had Pats season tickets 2005 - 2018), this one stands out. Loudest I've ever heard Gillette. I can't believe they didn't work that in at all.