Lucic threatens Weise in the handshake line; does he have a future here?

[wnyghost]

He was a douche to be sure, but I'm sure worse has been said in hand shake lines. The difference is Weise decided to be a bitch about it.

Weise is the one that should keep his mouth shut.  Just a punk Canadian looking to draw an extra penalty in six months.
 
Lucic should want to kill all the Canadians.  Evander Kane?  Wheeler?  JFN?  Lucic did not play well offensively and Krejci is directly linked to his performance.  Krejci has to be hurt because he was unbelievably bad.
 
The bruins need to find a big time Dman - Someone to ease the minutes and eventually replace Chara... the big man is losing steps.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

 
Up there with Marchand as one of the two biggest disappointments. No legs, every pass was bad, missing open nets, no presence...nothing.

I didn't think he was that bad, but I'll take your word for it. Hockey analysis isn't my wheelhouse.

 

[PaulinMyrBch]

+1.
 
Lucic's job is to be a menacing presence both in front of the net and in the corners, and use his size to put the puck on net.  He did none of that.  Most of his hits this series were the NHL equivalent of the slam dunk; lots of noise, but little impact. 
 
He'd be my first candidate for trade bait, and it has nothing to do with the stupid handshake.  I don't recall Billy Smith being diplomatic, win or lose, either. 

I understand the rest, but this solves it for me. I see this and high five my sons. Thanks

 

[Dogman]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

 

[lexrageorge]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

The reason to trade Lucic is because his best scoring days are behind him, and both his effort and production this season's playoffs were subpar.  It's also unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents, given the fact that teams, especially those in the Bruins division and in the Western Conference, are getting quicker overall.

 

[Salem's Lot]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

 
I don't want to trade him over anything he said. I want to trade him because he's just too slow and lacks the finishing skill required of a first line winger making $6 million a year. And I believe some teams will overvalue him and the Bruins would get a ton in a trade.

 

[BoSoxFink]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

the thread title is deceiving. This is not the primary reason for trading Lucic. There are many other reasons that matter more and involve his play, especially in the playoffs year in and year out.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

The reason to trade Lucic is because his best scoring days are behind him, and both his effort and production this season's playoffs were subpar.  It's also unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents, given the fact that teams, especially those in the Bruins division and in the Western Conference, are getting quicker overall.

 
Exactly. He looks in every way to now be a fossil.

 

[DJnVa]

 especially in the playoffs year in and year out.

 
So last year's 19 points in 22 games was disappointing?

 

[cshea]

I don't really blame Weise for going to the media. How many times this year did Lucic whine to the media and call Emelin chicken and Weise a baby?

 

[BoSoxFink]

 
So last year's 19 points in 22 games was disappointing?

I'll be honest, that's more points than I remembered. However I don't remember him actually playing that well, but I'm more than willing to admit it's my own bias against him in that instance.

 

[Moosey]

Echo the agreement with TSC.
 
Not only did Lucic lack finish around the net during this series, as evidenced by how many goddam whiffs he had, but it felt like he couldn't even cleanly receive a pass.  There were a number of times that passes out to Lucic either resulted in the play slowing down, and thus very little speed into the zone, or turnovers/puck battles, where he wasn't particularly strong either.
 
I understand the ice was crap but that did not seem to stop crisp passing from the Habs.  He is getting older, slower, and his talent is eroding.  
 
From an observational standpoint during this series, I was much happier when I saw Smith, Soderberg, or hell even Fraser near the net as opposed to Lucic.  That's pretty sad.  

 

[Reardon's Beard]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

Agree 100%. Just because we heard Lucic said something competitive to a member of the Habs he should be run out of town? That doesn't even compare to the things we don't hear. This line of thinking is as inane as it is pussifying.

I want him playing mad. I want him fired up, and I want him playing with a competent center. The whole team just sucked in this series, no question he did too, but power forwards like 17 are rare in today's game, and he should be playing on the first line next year.

 

[RedOctober3829]

The reason to trade Lucic is because his best scoring days are behind him, and both his effort and production this season's playoffs were subpar.  It's also unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents, given the fact that teams, especially those in the Bruins division and in the Western Conference, are getting quicker overall.

He's in his mid-20's.  How are his best scoring days behind him?  In his last 3 full seasons(ages 22, 23, and 25), he's scored at least 24 goals.  He showed up huge in the playoffs last season. 
 
Your point about teams getting quicker is valid, but Lucic's best scoring days are not behind him.

 

[doc]

I'm more or a casual hockey fan but I agree with Dogman2, I have no problem with Lucic saying this, especially if he said it with a smile.  I also understand Lucic did not bring his A game.  Weise should have told Lucic he was welcome to try and moved on.  Weise is being a whiney bitch here.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

From looking at the clip, he didn't say it with a smile. He was very, very angry.

 

[Dogman]

The reason to trade Lucic is because his best scoring days are behind him, and both his effort and production this season's playoffs were subpar.  It's also unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents, given the fact that teams, especially those in the Bruins division and in the Western Conference, are getting quicker overall.

 
What evidence do you have that supports anything you said? A 25 year old winger who has gone (full seasons played) 27,42,62,61,59 in points.  His playoff points are right in line with his regular season point totals.  Oh and Krejci, Marchand and the D all had a poor series. But, sure, let's trade the guy that still looks Cam Neely when Neely was 25. 
 
What's more, the other teams 'getting quicker' didn't stop the B's from the President's Trophy this year.  The point is, it's really fucking hard to win the cup and the other team's quickness (Detroit is much faster than MTL, but keep ignoring that) had little to nothing to do with it. Of course it is unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents.  You know why this is, right?
 
 

 

[Reardon's Beard]

Good. He should be angry. They just got beat and he knows they beat themselves as much as anyone. Habs beings Habs are enough to make anyone express their thoughts with colorful metaphors.

 

[BoSoxFink]

Seriously, nothing irks me more than people comparing Milan Lucic to Cam Neely. It's stupid to even suggest he's anywhere close to the player Cam Neely was. Lucic has a physical presence like Neely did, I'll give you that, but he possesses nowhere near the skill set Neely had. Cam Neely is a hall of famer and THE best power forward to ever play. Milan Lucic is not Cam Neely. End rant

 

[Moosey]

 
But, sure, let's trade the guy that still looks Cam Neely when Neely was 25. 
 

 
Lucic has never, and will never have the hands and reflexes Cam did.  Iginla's goal last night is the type of shit Cam could do consistently.  Lucic has been a very productive member of the Boston Bruins, but he is not, and never will be, Cam Neely.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I don't really blame Weise for going to the media. How many times this year did Lucic whine to the media and call Emelin chicken and Weise a baby?

Seriously?

That was a bitch move on every front. You don't go to the media because you've been challenged to a fight, you man up and deal with it. This is his way out of any confrontation with Looch next season.

 

[TSC]

Seriously?

That was a bitch move on every front. You don't go to the media because you've been challenged to a fight, you man up and deal with it. This is his way out of any confrontation with Looch next season.

And Lucic waiting till handshakes was his was out of confrontation during the games this year.

Lucic didn't challenge Weiss once this series. This was the ultimate "hold me back Bro!" move.

 

[teddykgb]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

 
I'm with you.  What a surreal thread.  I'm ok if people wish Lucic doesn't do this, but the reactions are crazy over the top.  Maybe it wasn't his best series but he's a very good player and it's very strange to jump all over this to me.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

What evidence do you have that supports anything you said? A 25 year old winger who has gone (full seasons played) 27,42,62,61,59 in points.  His playoff points are right in line with his regular season point totals.  Oh and Krejci, Marchand and the D all had a poor series. But, sure, let's trade the guy that still looks Cam Neely when Neely was 25. 
 
What's more, the other teams 'getting quicker' didn't stop the B's from the President's Trophy this year.  The point is, it's really fucking hard to win the cup and the other team's quickness (Detroit is much faster than MTL, but keep ignoring that) had little to nothing to do with it. Of course it is unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents.  You know why this is, right?

Cam Neely's age 25 season: 51G 40A 91P

You don't want to look at his age 22-25 seasons, they're not even in the same ballpark.

I'm not on the trade Lucic bandwagon, but he's not Cam Neely and never will be. Currently, he's about half the player Cam was.

 

[Monbo Jumbo]

Neal is definitely worse than Lucic. Neal is also a better offensive player than Lucic. However he's a douche and I want nothing to do with him on the Bruins

 
 
So.... Louche Bag?

 

[lexrageorge]

 
What evidence do you have that supports anything you said? A 25 year old winger who has gone (full seasons played) 27,42,62,61,59 in points.  His playoff points are right in line with his regular season point totals.  Oh and Krejci, Marchand and the D all had a poor series. But, sure, let's trade the guy that still looks Cam Neely when Neely was 25. 
 
What's more, the other teams 'getting quicker' didn't stop the B's from the President's Trophy this year.  The point is, it's really fucking hard to win the cup and the other team's quickness (Detroit is much faster than MTL, but keep ignoring that) had little to nothing to do with it. Of course it is unclear how well his game will be suited to future playoff opponents.  You know why this is, right?
 
 

There a lots of posts here without evidence.  I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on whether we should keep Lucic.  
 
Besides, I'm not saying he should be dumped for a 2nd round draft pick.  He could be very appealing trade bait.  I'm not convinced he's going to get any better; you're free to disagree, obviously.  But, he has a job to do, and he didn't do it at all against Montreal.  

 

[FL4WL3SS]

And Lucic waiting till handshakes was his was out of confrontation during the games this year.

Lucic didn't challenge Weiss once this series. This was the ultimate "hold me back Bro!" move.

When has Lucic ever backed down from a fight. If he fought during the game, there would have been more outrage. That would have been a selfish move during a playoff game. He's letting Weise that when he gets a chance next season, he's going to pay his debts. It was a douche move to do it in the handshake line, but Weise is a fucking bitch.

 

[Dropkick Izzy]

Dave Jackson just called a penalty on this.

 

[Smiling Joe Hesketh]

Cam Neely's age 25 season: 51G 40A 91P

You don't want to look at his age 22-25 seasons, they're not even in the same ballpark.

I'm not on the trade Lucic bandwagon, but he's not Cam Neely and never will be. Currently, he's about half the player Cam was.

 
Offensive context should probably be taken into account here. Cam played in a much higher scoring era.

 

[DJnVa]

From looking at the clip, he didn't say it with a smile. He was very, very angry.

 
It was minutes after his team was upset in the playoffs.

 

[BoSoxFink]

 
Offensive context should probably be taken into account here. Cam played in a much higher scoring era.

you are correct, but the point still stands. Lucic is not Neely and he never will be

 

[DJnVa]

 
Offensive context should probably be taken into account here. Cam played in a much higher scoring era.

 
Goals/game has dropped almost 25%. Neely was at 1.3 ppg that season, Lucic this year at .75. There's still more scoring production coming from Neely (about 25% more) even when taking the era into account.

 

[kenneycb]

When has Lucic ever backed down from a fight. If he fought during the game, there would have been more outrage. That would have been a selfish move during a playoff game. He's letting Weise that when he gets a chance next season, he's going to pay his debts. It was a douche move to do it in the handshake line, but Weise is a fucking bitch.

Yeah that's my opinion.  The correct move is to mock Lucic in the line and tell him to enjoy the links or something along those lines.

 

[Ed Hillel]

There a lots of posts here without evidence.  I didn't realize I wasn't allowed to have an opinion on whether we should keep Lucic.  
 

 
That is more than fine, but when you say something like "his best scoring days are behind him" regarding a guy who's entering the physical prime of his life, I think maybe that would require some evidence. Overall, when you factor in his offensive contributions and his discipline, I think Lucic just had his best season. He had a poor series, but so did that whole line. I don't really know what happened with them, but Lucic and Krejci have certainly shown enough in their time here to make me think it's not predictive. Exploring trades always makes sense, so no issues with that statement, I just wouldn't be so itchy to get rid of a guy with Looch's overall skill set, especially since it's such an organizational fit. There aren't many guys like that out there.
 
I have no real opinion of this incident. Yeah, he was probably out of line, but it's not like he threatened his family. These two organizations despise one another, and I'm not going to get upset as a fan if two guys don't like each other when the clock ticks to zero. It's a physical sport, he threatened ot beat him up. At the wrong time? Sure. But this isn't as big a deal as I'm sure TSN will make it out to be. Lucic doesn't always handle things best with the media, but that's usually what you get with a guy who brings that element of passion.
 
Edit - Maybe Dogman meant he literally looks like Neely did at age 25. I personally do see some similarities, though Lucic has a rounder face and a slightly larger schnoz. Though Neely's was no joke, either.

 

[Moosey]

Serious question, what are the chances that Lucic develops softer hands?

 

[Dummy Hoy]

When has Lucic ever backed down from a fight. If he fought during the game, there would have been more outrage. That would have been a selfish move during a playoff game. He's letting Weise that when he gets a chance next season, he's going to pay his debts. It was a douche move to do it in the handshake line, but Weise is a fucking bitch.

 
This is it. He cannot fight him (or try to fight him- I'm skeptical Weise would accept) in the playoffs. Weise and everyone else on the Habs knows this and felt it gave them free reign to pull the shit they did. If Weise is going to opening taunt Lucic, he needs to be prepared to deal with the consequences. Lucic is simply reminding him of that.
 
I thought it was totally unnecessary and poor form for Lucic to do that...he was pissed (probably at himself mostly) and acted stupid. It happens and it sucks because it made him look bad.
 

Dave Jackson just called a penalty on this.

 
 Undoubtedly.
 

 
Offensive context should probably be taken into account here. Cam played in a much higher scoring era.

 
Great call and an under appreciated facet of comparing players. Cam also had hall of famer Adam Oates riding with him. Lucic is not and never will be Cam Neely, but his game is a lesser facsimile of Cam's- I understand the comparison.
 
Lucic is probably a bit overpaid, but the call to get rid of him seems awful hasty, and the assertion that he's all done because of a bad series (when his linemates were worse I thought) is insane. He's 25 years old, has been (in full seasons) a consistent 25-35-60 guy who other players and teams legitimately fear when he's on his game. If you move him, you better get something pretty good in return.
 
Edit: His hands are what they are- they're usually fine for his game. He's never going to be smooth, but he can put the puck in the net and he's got pretty good vision. His biggest problem is that he gets out of whack when things aren't going well and it usually gets worse before it gets better. It was a brutal timing to have that happen in April/May this year.

 

[Dogman]

Cam Neely's age 25 season: 51G 40A 91P

You don't want to look at his age 22-25 seasons, they're not even in the same ballpark.

I'm not on the trade Lucic bandwagon, but he's not Cam Neely and never will be. Currently, he's about half the player Cam was.

 
I've seen them.  Are you sure that his 91 point season was his age 25 season?  If it is, Neely started for Van. at age 18 and I thought (probably misremembering) Neely didn't play for Van until he was 21. At any rate, vastly different systems the two played in.

 

[FL4WL3SS]

I don't know, I tried to do math, so who knows how that went.

He was born in 65, which would make his 85-86 season his 20 year old season.

 

[Dogman]

 
That is more than fine, but when you say something like "his best scoring days are behind him" regarding a guy who's entering the physical prime of his life, I think maybe that would require some evidence. Overall, when you factor in his offensive contributions and his discipline, I think Lucic just had his best season. He had a poor series, but so did that whole line. I don't really know what happened with them, but Lucic and Krejci have certainly shown enough in their time here to make me think it's not predictive. Exploring trades always makes sense, so no issues with that statement, I just wouldn't be so itchy to get rid of a guy with Looch's overall skill set, especially since it's such an organizational fit. There aren't many guys like that out there.
 
I have no real opinion of this incident. Yeah, he was probably out of line, but it's not like he threatened his family. These two organizations despise one another, and I'm not going to get upset as a fan if two guys don't like each other when the clock ticks to zero. It's a physical sport, he threatened ot beat him up. At the wrong time? Sure. But this isn't as big a deal as I'm sure TSN will make it out to be. Lucic doesn't always handle things best with the media, but that's usually what you get with a guy who brings that element of passion.
 
Edit - Maybe Dogman meant he literally looks like Neely did at age 25. I personally do see some similarities, though Lucic has a rounder face and a slightly larger schnoz. Though Neely's was no joke, either.

 
 
That's essentially what I meant.  A blanket statement like that requires some kind of evidence, especially for a 25 year old. 

 

[Dogman]

I don't know, I tried to do math, so who knows how that went.

He was born in 65, which would make his 85-86 season his 20 year old season.

 
Fair enough. 

 

[lexrageorge]

 
 
That's essentially what I meant.  A blanket statement like that requires some kind of evidence, especially for a 25 year old. 

My evidence is that he has yet to duplicate his 30 goal output from 2010-11.  Yes, there are a number of reasons for that, not all of them have to do with his age.  But he seems to have plateaued in terms of number of goals.  Maybe he breaks out for 35 goals next year, but I don't see it.  
 
Again, this has absolutely nothing to do with the stupid handshake, and I certainly wouldn't give him away.  But it's not wrong to have expected more this series.  
 
In any event, the likelihood of his getting traded is not much higher than the chances of the Bruins winning the Cup this season.  Trades of top line players tend to be difficult to pull off, especially when the team will still be in GFIN mode to some extent this offseason, and there is no need to repeat the Joe Thornton for spare parts trade. 

 

[Dogman]

Seriously, nothing irks me more than people comparing Milan Lucic to Cam Neely. It's stupid to even suggest he's anywhere close to the player Cam Neely was. Lucic has a physical presence like Neely did, I'll give you that, but he possesses nowhere near the skill set Neely had. Cam Neely is a hall of famer and THE best power forward to ever play. Milan Lucic is not Cam Neely. End rant

 
You can be sure that I am going to liken them all offseason just for you. 

 

[FL4WL3SS]

You can be sure that I am going to liken them all offseason just for you.

Lucic killed BSF's dog, FYI. You might want to lighten up.

 

[BoSoxFink]

 
You can be sure that I am going to liken them all offseason just for you. 

God dammit, I already hate myself enough, please don't make it any worse.

 

[Dogman]

Lucic killed BSF's dog, FYI. You might want to lighten up.

 
It would be awesome if BSF's dog's name was Neely. 

 

[BoSoxFink]

My dog was a peaceful little guy, it was so unnecessary.

 

[Carmine Hose]

 

Lucic didn't challenge Weiss once this series. This was the ultimate "hold me back Bro!" move.         
 

Were they on the ice at the same time much?  With the B's rarely in the lead, he didn't have much opportunity to level punsihment.  He did knock the shit out of Emelin though.

 

[Ed Hillel]

The one thing you do have to wonder is whether Lucic has seen enough of Neely's lackadasical efforts, and will try to move Neely this offseason. Lucic may see some of Neely in him, but Lucic always seemed to show up at the big moments. I'm not sure you can say the same of Neely thus far in his career.

 

[Red Right Ankle]

The one thing you do have to wonder is whether Lucic has seen enough of Neely's lackadasical efforts, and will try to move Neely this offseason. Lucic may see some of Neely in him, but Lucic always seemed to show up at the big moments. I'm not sure you can say the same of Neely thus far in his career.

I... what?

 

[Myt1]

His "threat" was he was going to kick his ass next year and he will. He is also correct that that should stay on the ice. 
 
Emelin and Weise are fucking babies and won't drop the gloves when he does challenge them.
 
Trade Lucic because of this?  Wow, just wow.

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