It’s not uncommon. It’s often a misguided attempt to reassert a sense of autonomy and sense of control. It’s not necessarily intuitive, but it happens more than you think.
[LOCKED] 2019 AB Watch: Non-legal Views Only
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If you read statement by AB's lawyer, he contends that this started after he signed his huge Steelers deal.
I just read the complaint, I'm not a lawyer but this seemed to be written to be sensational, as opposed to a legal motion.
First impression And this is not to excuse anything.
She never reported either the jack-off or the rape to police.
And after the jack-off incident she went back to working with him.
It didn't strike me as credible.
First impression And this is not to excuse anything.
She never reported either the jack-off or the rape to police.
And after the jack-off incident she went back to working with him.
It didn't strike me as credible.
Victims of abuse don’t always do what you think you’d do in that situation. It might look strange but it doesn’t necessarily mean anything.
That is not the chronology. She does not allege she went back after the rape.
I think we have seen that how victims react is complicated and sometimes you just have to wait and see.
It is interesting. At the same time, she could admit to trying to be monetarily compensated and still not be lying about the assault/rape. We have no idea who that is DM-ing AB and what her relationship with the alleged victim is or her motives.
I'm curious what Kraft will think of this. Let's say he thinks it might not be true. Does he stand by AB? After all, Kraft himself was, it appears, wrongly accused of some pretty bad things (namely, being involved in sex trafficking). If he expected people to stick by him during his time of legal trouble, wouldn't it make sense for him to stick by Brown during *his* legal troubles, IF Kraft thinks the charges might be fraudulent? Even though it would "hurt" the Pats' brand in the eyes of the public regardless?
“The complaint is written to be a media document. It goes well beyond what is needed to get past notice pleading standards and contains lots of details that are intended to respond to potential weaknesses in her story. It even alleges she passed a polygraph, which is unusual for a complaint. It is intended for maximum exposure and to get the jump on the narrative in the public.”
Agreed. My point was a little different. Unless her counsel doesn’t care if there’s a referral for filing a totally unverified complaint, it stands to reason counsel did do some fact checking. I’m not sure just reading the emails gets him there.
I guess it won’t make much difference. The stink will linger, esp. if the haters combine it with BK’s walk on the wild side.
I’m not sure just relying on emails
Agreed. My point was a little different. Unless her counsel doesn’t care if there’s a referral for filing a totally unverified complaint, it stands to reason counsel did do some fact checking. I’m not sure just reading the emails gets him there.
I guess it won’t make much difference. The stink will linger, esp. if the haters combine it with BK’s walk on the wild side.
I’m not sure just relying on emails
Let me ask this- if this had emerged 10 seconds before the Raiders released him, would anyone here actively be advocating we sign AB?
Or let’s say he signed with KC instead of NE and the same allegations emerged? No doubt we’d be picking apart the complaint.
Or let’s say he signed with KC instead of NE and the same allegations emerged? No doubt we’d be picking apart the complaint.
So far, TMZ is the only outfit I’ve heard of that has done original reporting on this story; everyone else is just citing the legal complaint and running the statement from AB’s attorney. That’s going to change dramatically — in the next few days, this story will receive about as much journalistic attention as any story in recent years not involving a major terrorist attack or the President of the United States. I think we’ll have a good sense of the truth of the matter by the end of the week.
I was wondering why the Raiders cut him outright rather than suspend him and give him a five day letter.
Edit-Obviously the order above is backwards
Edit-Obviously the order above is backwards
Why can't you imagine the Patriots not knowing about it? It would not be shocking to me for a player to try to keep something like this on the DL when the legal system is not yet involved.
You're asking if the situation was completely different if we would respond differently?
I understand that reporting this type of crime to police is very hard for the victim to do.
As i said, this was my first impression from one read of the motion.
No, I’m asking that if aside from a slight timing difference the situation were exactly the same would we react the same way.
Could be a lot of she said/he said and posturing by attorneys. Will be interesting to see if there is any documentation regarding AB balking at some sort of payout in the past.
Not sure why we're debating the validity of the woman's claims when AB, in the emails, IS CLEARLY ADMITTING TO DOING AT LEAST ONE OF THE THINGS he's being accused of.
This guy is a grade A piece of shit. And incredibly dumb on top of it.
This guy is a grade A piece of shit. And incredibly dumb on top of it.
The complaint is definitely written to try to explain away some of the weaknesses in the narrative and I think it’s not unusual to read that defensiveness. I had a similar reaction.
But the fact that they are defensive about things that may make her story subject to attack doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Just that they are trying to explain it.
Do you really expect anyone here to say "yes", they'd want to sign him? I don't really think it matters whether one believes he's innocent, guilty, or innocent until proven guilty. It's just a whole different level of circus that we wouldn't need to impose upon ourselves.
I'm not sure when due diligence could have been executed, unless the team was tampering or exhibiting extraordinary interest in a player under contract for another team. The Pats signed AB almost immediately after he was released. Seems more likely that BB saw an otherworldly talent, bet on his culture's ability to get the player in line, and was willing to cut the talent if he didn't get in line. In such a calculation, AB never plays for the Patriots. I understand that some women misreport these allegations, but these women are in a great minority. Why would the Pats believe in someone who hasn't played a down for them? I'd believe the accuser.
Agree.
My view: Not worth it. Cut him and move on. Let the chips fall where they may while the story plays out but we don’t need the distraction. Six Super Bowls. Not worth it.
I didn't say that, exactly. Was commenting on a parallel universe hypothetical. Like it or not, we DID sign AB. He presumably has to answer to Bill and ownership now. We'll see if his story is compelling.
Seems to me that AB’s allegations of extortion are rather specific and will be susceptible to proof by evidence other than the accounts of the two principals. Either his allegations of extortion will hang together, and people will make the natural inference about her accusations, or they won’t, and people will make the natural inference about the truth of his denials.
Like Aaron Hernandez, the issue isn’t with protocols around background checks or due diligence. It’s just not giving a shit.
Right. Two separate thoughts. Yup was me agreeing with what you wrote. The rest was my opinion on what should happen. I will edit.
I don't see where he admits to non-consensual activity.
He may very well be a Grade A piece of shit...and dumb. But he didn't clearly admit to any of her accusations of criminal behavior.
The Pats went from having too thin of a WR depth chart to having too many, but now they're rocketing back in the other direction. It's impressive really
Despite some of the reactionary responses about the veracity of the claims, nobody really has any idea what happened yet. I’m comfortable letting the process play out a little more before declaring either side is telling the truth. From the Patriots standpoint, though, it shouldn’t matter. They took a chance on a risky guy, he didn’t even make it to his first practice without a major problem/distraction. And regardless of what really happened, at minimum his responses to the accuser are pretty awful and disturbing. He’s not worth the trouble. Cut him as soon as possible. He can have his day in court on his own time and dime.
I know we aren't supposed to "QFT" our responses, but sometimes a good point needs to be reiterated.
We should know by tomorrow afternoon how the Pats will approach this. Bill won’t mess around. if they don’t want to deal with this story he will be cut. If he practices and Bill says that he won’t comment on it, it means they’ll weather it.
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