[LOCKED] 2019 AB Watch: Non-legal Views Only

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axx

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Why too convenient of a time to do the lawsuit to think it's legit and anything but a shakedown.
 

Ralphwiggum

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Why too convenient of a time to do the lawsuit to think it's legit and anything but a shakedown.
Really? Why not do it after he signed his extension with the Raiders? His contract with the Pats is modest compared to what he already earned from the Steelers and what he stood to earn from the Raiders.
 

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Yeah, why would that be the case? Criminal conviction too hard to get, so you skip that and go for the civil suit?
Could be lots of reasons, but it's true that the burden of proof needed to win a civil case is much lower than that to win a criminal case.
 

axx

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Really? Why not do it after he signed his extension with the Raiders? His contract with the Pats is modest compared to what he already earned from the Steelers and what he stood to earn from the Raiders.
Waited until the season started for max visibility.
 

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Welp, he hasn’t even officially put on his new Xenith Shadow ™Patriots helmet and this has already gotten spicy.

Obviously has zero implications on the Pats organization, but this dude brings problems.
 

DJnVa

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Gotta imagine his agent knew about this potential lawsuit. If he did and did not tell the Pats I would imagine they have the ability to get out of deal.
 

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Demaryius Thomas for a 6th and four days of AB seems like a bad trade.
Eh. I still think it's more likely than not Demaryius Thomas is cooked.

At least we'll get a 6th rounder out of this fiasco. That's more than the Raiders ended up with.
 

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Is it possible that the Patriots knew about this, but went forward because they believe AB? I'm just surprised that nothing came up when the Patriots did their due diligence. I was speaking with someone who knew both parties back in college, and he told me that this rumor has been floating around for sometime. In the text message video above, it also seems that the Raiders may have known about this as well, Considering Mayock and Belichick are supposedly friendly, surprised that this is news to New England.
 

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That is seriously gross. It’s also pleaded with a great deal of particularity. Unless her counsel was going to ignore his Rule 11 obligations, which I seriously doubt, he would have to take steps to verify the key allegations. In this case, obviously it means reviewing the email chain and likely speaking with the chef she befriended and other material witnesses.

But all that said, why now? Why not when he hit the jackpot with his Raider deal?

Wait till Shank and BV get their hands on this situation.
 

Rice14

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That is seriously gross. It’s also pleaded with a great deal of particularity. Unless her counsel was going to ignore his Rule 11 obligations, which I seriously doubt, he would have to take steps to verify the key allegations. In this case, obviously it means reviewing the email chain and likely speaking with the chef she befriended and other material witnesses.

But all that said, why now? Why not when he hit the jackpot with his Raider deal?

Wait till Shank and BV get their hands on this situation.
My friend who knows both said that she was trying to get a confidential settlement from him for about six months. Guess she gave up on that.
 

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I really, really, don’t want to be the guy who’s immediate reaction to these kinds of allegations is “lying bitch, cash grab” etc etc but does the wording on these emails, assholery aside, kind of give off the vibe that he’s giving her shit for trying to say that he did what he’s accused of/trying to extort him to anyone else or am I just reading them wrong?
 

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I can’t imagine the Patriots would not have known about this, which is to say I guess I’ll take a wait and see here
 

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This whole Pats-AB saga has been like watching the firefighters race into Chernobyl in episode 1. Oh, yeah, your hoses will totally contain this meltdown.
 

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I really, really, don’t want to be the guy who’s immediate reaction to these kinds of allegations is “lying bitch, cash grab” etc etc but does the wording on these emails, assholery aside, kind of give off the vibe that he’s giving her shit for trying to say that he did what he’s accused of/trying to extort him to anyone else or am I just reading them wrong?
No, your immediate reaction was this:

See you, asshole.
 

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I really, really, don’t want to be the guy who’s immediate reaction to these kinds of allegations is “lying bitch, cash grab” etc etc but does the wording on these emails, assholery aside, kind of give off the vibe that he’s giving her shit for trying to say that he did what he’s accused of/trying to extort him to anyone else or am I just reading them wrong?
That's the way I am reading it. His verbage is certainly "less than ideal".
 

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I really, really, don’t want to be the guy who’s immediate reaction to these kinds of allegations is “lying bitch, cash grab” etc etc but does the wording on these emails, assholery aside, kind of give off the vibe that he’s giving her shit for trying to say that he did what he’s accused of/trying to extort him to anyone else or am I just reading them wrong?
If he acknowledges the relationship and says everything that happened was consensual, harsh texts don’t make him a rapist.

They certainly make him look like an asshole, but there’s nothing criminal about that.

He plans on countersuing, so I’m not sure how it will play out unless she has police reports or something of that nature to back her claims. Otherwise it’s one person’s word against the other.
 

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I really, really, don’t want to be the guy who’s immediate reaction to these kinds of allegations is “lying bitch, cash grab” etc etc but does the wording on these emails, assholery aside, kind of give off the vibe that he’s giving her shit for trying to say that he did what he’s accused of/trying to extort him to anyone else or am I just reading them wrong?
I agree that if it’s true she’s extorting him then the texts are read totally differently and him being a total asshole to her is somewhat justified. Gotta wait and see I guess

Edit: him being an asshole would be justified if he were responding to her attempts to extort, not just if the rape didn’t happen
 

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That is seriously gross. It’s also pleaded with a great deal of particularity. Unless her counsel was going to ignore his Rule 11 obligations, which I seriously doubt, he would have to take steps to verify the key allegations. In this case, obviously it means reviewing the email chain and likely speaking with the chef she befriended and other material witnesses.

But all that said, why now? Why not when he hit the jackpot with his Raider deal?

Wait till Shank and BV get their hands on this situation.
The complaint is written to be a media document. It goes well beyond what is needed to get past notice pleading standards and contains lots of details that are intended to respond to potential weaknesses in her story. It even alleges she passed a polygraph, which is unusual for a complaint. It is intended for maximum exposure and to get the jump on the narrative in the public.

The key problems they will have is that she went back to work for him after he is alleged to have ejaculated on her without consent, and she took a long time to report the alleged rape to anyone. They deal with those problems as best they can in the complaint, and what they say seems to be consistent with lots of the stories that have been common in the me too movement about how victims react. But if he has any evidence that hints at any kind of money requests then this is going to be a tough slog for her and the attempt to create as big a splash as possible is not surprising.

It is unclear when she first decided to seek legal counsel, but they at least are trying to imply it was very recently. It is unclear if she ever went to the authorities.
 

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I really, really, don’t want to be the guy who’s immediate reaction to these kinds of allegations is “lying bitch, cash grab” etc etc but does the wording on these emails, assholery aside, kind of give off the vibe that he’s giving her shit for trying to say that he did what he’s accused of/trying to extort him to anyone else or am I just reading them wrong?
I can’t past the three separate occasions part of it. This story is weird. Who gets raped by someone and then willingly spends time alone with the accused not once but two more times? Including going to his house and watching tv? Huh? Not to blame a victim but that’s hard to believe that someone would do that if they felt victimized.
 

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More importantly, is TB12 still OK with him staying at the house?
TB12 is just a tenant in that house. I think we’ll know tomorrow how this goes. Pats tend to act quickly on stuff like this. If he is around tomorrow, I don’t think they’re doing anything and will let it play out.
 

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That is seriously gross. It’s also pleaded with a great deal of particularity. Unless her counsel was going to ignore his Rule 11 obligations, which I seriously doubt, he would have to take steps to verify the key allegations. In this case, obviously it means reviewing the email chain and likely speaking with the chef she befriended and other material witnesses.

But all that said, why now? Why not when he hit the jackpot with his Raider deal?

Wait till Shank and BV get their hands on this situation.
Her lawyers are no joke. Significant high profile litigation experience, Supreme Court oral arguments, NYU - Best Oralist. In contrast, AB's attorney's website is down and his litigation experience consists of a small insurance defense firm in Florida.
 
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